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Lopen
12/26/24 12:49:03 PM
#202:


... ok I'm having pause again on that reaction.

Scare what is your full role.

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Corrik7
12/26/24 12:49:51 PM
#203:


Lopen posted...
Let's not forget that Ulti using his backup role on red to begin with never made any sense.
Correct or announcing it prior

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Lopen
12/26/24 12:50:08 PM
#204:


Like no bullshit the time to be juking scum is over here.

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Corrik7
12/26/24 12:51:09 PM
#205:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The travel back in time bit was me being snarky. Im just a backup that has to target a dead body. Its not automatic like usual.
So your role does not say you travel back in time then?

Idk what's more interesting. That you just made that up or you just admitted you did when that throwaway line would have helped you if scum. Lol

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Fastbreak
12/26/24 12:55:04 PM
#206:


Lopen posted...
... ok I'm having pause again on that reaction.

Scare what is your full role.

Standard watcher that can once per game go back and target a dead body to see who targeted them the night they died instead of my normal night watch

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Fastbreak
12/26/24 12:56:13 PM
#207:


I'm pretty confident Peaf is town, and the way things have shaken out Lopen seems likely to never be scum

Still like Chang and Ben as well

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changmas
12/26/24 12:59:13 PM
#208:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Backup.

not Time Backup?

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Lopen
12/26/24 12:59:15 PM
#209:


So you're 100% sticking with that. I had another theory of what your role actually is and it wasn't that.

Do we have any other scanners? It would be best to claim now to save Ulti here. There is no chance this role exists with another scanner in the game.

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:03:17 PM
#210:


Corrik7 posted...
Idk what's more interesting. That you just made that up or you just admitted you did when that throwaway line would have helped you if scum. Lol

Like this is what's getting me

What is its scum Scare overthinking a throwaway line as a possible 1 for 1 that becomes a 0 for 1 when we have talk about Ulti's flavor text.

Ulti as scum had his door to play with and just shut it.

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:06:04 PM
#211:


In which case my mind still goes to Chang for talking about ninjas, being obtuse about his role, and laying out scenarios where they're both town

This feels like perspective slipping into the mind of a scum gambit.

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:07:45 PM
#212:


changmas posted...
i think there's a possibility that scum ninja killed Red and both Ulti and Scare are town

if that's the case they will want to leave scare alive and mislynch him tomorrow

Like this feels like jumping ahead of the narrative to me

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Corrik7
12/26/24 1:10:29 PM
#213:


Lopen posted...
Like this is what's getting me

What is its scum Scare overthinking a throwaway line as a possible 1 for 1 that becomes a 0 for 1 when we have talk about Ulti's flavor text.

Ulti as scum had his door to play with and just shut it.
Zero chance they are 1 for 1ing.

The only case for scare being scum and it's slim is if ulti and scare are scum together.

I think its likelier both are town than both are scum tho. And zero chance scare is scum and ulti is town.

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:11:43 PM
#214:


Corrik7 posted...
I think its likelier both are town than both are scum tho. And zero chance scare is scum and ulti is town.

Based on?

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:14:26 PM
#215:


Like lay out the role composition where they are both town please.

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Corrik7
12/26/24 1:24:42 PM
#216:


Lopen posted...
Like lay out the role composition where they are both town please.
Scare is gambiting. Both can be town.

Scare did what he said. Ulti did what he said. Scum has a way to counter scares role, which honestly is pretty broken if it just gives you a free scum kill if you live to night 2. Lol.

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:47:49 PM
#219:


UltimaterializerX posted...
My guess here is a scum role exists that can time travel night actions. I made it VERY clear I was targeting Red last night, and what must have happened is a scum role showing that move last night as happening night 1 instead. Its a super annoying way to potentially get mislynched, but I dont want to spend all day babyraging about insane psychic whatever stuff. You play the cards you get.

So now you're giving Scare a leash when you were tunneling him all game because a time framer role might exist and it just happened to target you and the timey wimey role happened to target the thing that would incriminate you.

No. I'm sorry. I'm throwing out the setup meta and just saying I don't believe you. This is not what town Ulti does when targeted by a guy he was trying to lynch for two days here.

##Vote: Ulti

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:48:36 PM
#220:


Third member probably Corrik for putting this out there and letting me and Chang get distracted by it

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Lopen
12/26/24 1:55:41 PM
#221:


Occulam's razor says Scare is town and caught Ulti in a scan and that's all there is to it.

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Obellisk
12/26/24 1:58:06 PM
#222:


I'll support lopens analysis till it becomes time for me to lynch him.

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ScareChan
12/26/24 1:58:48 PM
#223:


Lopen posted...
Third member probably Corrik for putting this out there and letting me and Chang get distracted by it


This fits my worldview where Sultan is afraid to go after a buddy so soon day 1

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Corrik7
12/26/24 1:59:14 PM
#224:


Lopen posted...
Third member probably Corrik for putting this out there and letting me and Chang get distracted by it
If you think that lynch me now. Lol. I got wrestling all weekend and just gonna fall behind.

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PeaceFrog
12/26/24 2:10:47 PM
#225:


Obellisk posted...
I'll support lopens analysis till it becomes time for me to lynch him.


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PunishedBen
12/26/24 5:14:12 PM
#226:


Scare, why did you pick Lopen as your watch target day 1?

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PunishedBen
12/26/24 5:17:25 PM
#227:


I think Corrik is seeing the same thing I am - which is that there's no way Ulti is scum. So wtf do we do except lose the game? Ignore both Ulti and Scare and go elsewhere? Scare do you honestly think Ulti is scum here?

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Lopen
12/26/24 5:44:51 PM
#228:


See when Corrik does it it could just be Corrik being Corrik and forcing his Lawful Neutral ass weird Paladin shit into the game philosophy.

When Ben does it it feels straight up disingenuous. So thanks Ben for making me not tunnel Corrik tomorrow when Ulti flips scum.

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ScareChan
12/26/24 5:49:51 PM
#229:


PunishedBen posted...
Scare, why did you pick Lopen as your watch target day 1?

His claim I thought was a power claim? Thought scum would target him, was a little concerned when no one visited him, but feel much better about him now

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changmas
12/26/24 6:12:00 PM
#230:


I am totally on board with Ulti lynch today. No idea what votals are at, but I will have extremely limited access tomorrow and will definitely miss the deadline.

voting SBell so I can try and set up my role tonight in case Ulti is the roleblocker

##Vote: Sbell

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Lopen
12/26/24 6:31:46 PM
#232:


I don't know why if you think he's scum before this point and are trying to lynch him multiple dahs the natural conclusion isn't that "oh he's scum and he's making something up about how I described my role" instead of "gee golly I got time framed by an op scum role"

Like I dunno this just feels performative

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Lopen
12/26/24 6:38:17 PM
#234:


It isn't necessarily 1:1 though? Like there literally was an out in how you described your ability you realize

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Lopen
12/26/24 6:42:25 PM
#235:


Like

Oh shi Ulti went back to day 1 THATS WHY I SAW HIM DAY 1

It's such an obvious out that it made me almost inclined to believe he was actually being uber clever scum

And then you just... give up? Because time framer is in the game? Why the hell would time framer be in the game?

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Lopen
12/26/24 6:53:52 PM
#237:


The game seems pretty low key honestly. If Ben is scum roleblocker variant all the other roles have seemed fairly normal aside from Blade's

Like the doctor role was... just a doctor with some weird implementation.

I don't see a lot of craziness here.

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Lopen
12/26/24 6:55:37 PM
#238:


And like really look at the votals when he claimed

Going 1 for 1 is absolutely viable here. I'm not sure why people are saying "oh he'd never do that!" why wouldn't he. He was on track to be lynched today too.

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PunishedBen
12/26/24 7:00:16 PM
#239:


Scare is absolutely the player who would. He's gone 1 for 1 before on about day 2 or 3 when he feels his time is up. I'm trying to be as cautious as possible here because if I'm wrong I'm lynching a watcher, but... I at the very least see no world where Ulti is scum.

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Lopen
12/26/24 7:03:49 PM
#240:


And that I at least find believeable. I myself may have believed it yesterday had Ulti not acted so unselectively selective during lynch time. It truly felt there were specific players he was avoiding and specific players he was prioritizing, and it had nothing to do with any of his suspicions but just random stuff he was pulling out of his ass to the point where it's hard to take it as town.

He's also been so damn passive. I feel like Ulti who thinks I'm town is yelling at me to start the day when I said he's scum. He's just not cared.

I kinda wish we could just mass so we can determine if Scare's role makes sense in the setup and go from there.

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Lopen
12/26/24 7:13:37 PM
#242:


I mean this the truth Ulti

Think how broken Scare's ability is. It's kinda nuts.

Now realize you are a backup to that ability if you choose to be. Scum basically has no counterplay to it.

Why do you think it exists in the game.

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Lopen
12/26/24 7:19:03 PM
#244:


There is basically zero chance you're both town. I think he's the town but... like... when you think about it, scum just trying to 1 for 1 here is completely reasonable.

##Unvote:

So you gotta ask yourself man. Are you the hero of time or the ... the... zero of slime... man...

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changmas
12/26/24 7:21:21 PM
#245:


A ninja literally counters that ability, like, very simply

i think its meant to find the poisoner

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Lopen
12/26/24 7:25:05 PM
#246:


It's a one time use and you don't know a ninja exists

So use it the right way or get no result because the ninja killed the town?

And what if the ninja gets lynched n1? Then you snowball a lead because you first day lynched the ninja?

Just because plausible counters exist doesn't mean it should exist.

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Lopen
12/26/24 7:29:10 PM
#247:


Like one is a broken role the other is very poorly designed that forces the game to be laid out in a specific way.

Traditional scumhunting says Ulti is the scum here because of how he's played but like people are definitely being absurd to suggest they're both town or hand waving the idea that Scare could be scum. That ability fails the eyeball test and the fact that you have to try and meticulously construct a setup around it makes you wonder if it's not just fake.

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Fastbreak
12/26/24 7:30:01 PM
#248:


A ninja fucks me, sure

On the chance that Ulti is town though, don't you think scum pile on and say "at worse one for one" and they get two town out of him and me?

Is it possible Ulti is town and a ninja killed red? Yes. Technically speaking

Is it likely? No. Not at all. Ulti is just scum here.

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Lopen
12/26/24 7:31:42 PM
#249:


Absolutely. If you're both town this has probably already been hammered.

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