Board 8 > Time Travelers Mafia Topic 5: Between the Dawn of Time and the End of Time

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Someone needs to make a Scare case. The vibe on that lynch was town vs scum.

He needs to be active tho or Im killing him on general principle.

Remember this is the guy Ulti is tunneling

In a game where Corrik and sbell have only done slightly more than him

And in a game where Ulti had previously announced suspicion of Sbell

Ulti was strangely sbell averse yesterday too

So actually

I'd strongly prefer Ulti lynched today. Not keen on settling for Chang. Most of the paired stuff applies to sbell as much as Chang now that I think of it

UltimaterializerX posted...

Which is why Im not entertaining his nonsense today, or Peaf magically liking him despite that train almost working too.

I can buy Dumey blocking one and scum blocking the other. Sure.

##Vote: Scare

Not moving unless he gets confirmed. Should have happened yesterday.

Who am i magically liking?

okay the real question though is why the hell did dumey not get roleblocked AND killed last night

he could singlehandedly move the night kill into the day. And if that happened - he would tell us who he targeted and it would be a free lynch. So scum would have to be very confident that dumey couldn't do that. Which suggests a strongman kill.

Or - that ben is lying. Because why would the scum team even be afraid of the clock king ability?

oh wait duh

exactly the reason i told him to use it on me. to dodge a night role block. only works with some abilities though, like moving dumey's ability to the next day is terrible for town

okay actually between dumey and ben town would have two ways to dodge a night roleblock. hm.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Sultan was the strongman kill and he never got to use it.

ah, that's right - so then why would scum be so confident to kill dumey without roleblocking him?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Lopen

I just said I think he's been pulling some shady shit too. I am not on his side.

So one theory of course is that they took a risk and assumed Dumey knew he was going to be the nightkill target (which was pretty much a given imo). If that's the case, Dumey's singular goal with his jailkeep would be to find the scum delivering the kill and delay the kill 24 hours, in which case he reveals the target of his ability, the kill occurs after 24 hours, and we immediately kill that person.

That seems like an awful lot of risk to take on as the scum team, when you could just roleblock and kill Dumey. But if it is indeed the case, I suppose they would have a scum member that Dumey wouldn't predict to deliver the kill. Based on his last list - that could be Scare, Blade, Ulti, or Lopen.

EDumey posted... Dumey's Town list - Do Not Lynch

Dumey
Scare
Blade

Dumey is pretty sure they're Town and wouldn't lynch them over other priorities today
Ulti
Lopen

True Neutral - Have not given enough to determine alignment either direction. Wouldn't want lynched today without following a scan
Corrik
SBell

Definitely considering as part of scum team - Would lynch
Ben
Peaf
Changmas
Wallz

The above is order roughly in order of Town > Scum.

The second theory is of course that Ben wasn't roleblocked, that he's just lying, and Dumey was rb'd/killed, and he JK'd me.

And the third theory is that scum somehow had access to two roleblocks last night (HELLO ULTI BACKUP ALARM BELLS GOING OFF) and rb'd some combination of Ben, myself, and Dumey (and the third one came from Dumey)

More of this will become clear at the 24 hour mark when I learn whether Dumey JK'd me and sent my action 24 hours into the future

If ulti is scum doubler instead of a backup it would make more sense with the time theme, and a double rb night would be a good way to confuse the game state. That's true but a hair outlandish with the info that we have at the moment

Ok. No ulti lynch today.

Ulti. If you had to give someone a gun right now for mandatory day vig powers, who would it be?

PeaceFrog posted...

Ok. No ulti lynch today.

Wow that was easy

Like what were you even convinced on

Peaf, yesterday I liked your response when you were under pressure, but some of your posts today are very hard to believe.
PeaceFrog posted...

The wallz lynch was pretty lame. Lopen's reactions were shitty.

I'm done giving sbell a pass.
##Vote: Sbell

Scare has been nearly lynched twice now and has done nothing to keep himself alive. I'm not convinced that d1 was a scum/town lynch whatsoever.

Ben does like to pocket me as scum. I'm not opposed to his lynch today.

Like really that's your best reason to lynch me? Have i really done nothing to leave an impression on you other than pocket you? And have i been unreasonable in my calling you town? What separates pocketing from just town reading correctly? That's some basic bitch shit, or possibly scum shit.

PeaceFrog posted... Regarding Blade

Is he a fucking jester-adjacent kind of nonsense?

And really? This sounds especially fake that you would even entertain this

One fact that needs to be reiterated is that my time shuffle action is a DAY action, even though it doesn't resolve till the very start of the next night. My "Your action was blocked" message came immediately at the start of night 2, meaning whoever blocked me had a day action as well. (or someone made Chang untargetable?)

Oh wait. Yeah my PM also insinuated something silly was going on. I know what happened. I targeted Dumey day 1, making his night 1 action a day 2 action instead. He likely targeted Chang day 2, making him not just jailed but untargetable (read Dumey's flip). Thus my action on Chang that day 2 also failed.

Comedy

Sbell and Corrik definitely need to be discussed as lynches today. I think scum is hiding there. There is a lot going for the more active people alive

Ulti is town.
Blade is town
Chang is town

Peaf I still want to call town, but he is the one who is shaking my resolve a bit with some of this more recent gameplay. He's the only guy that fits a scum who is trying to finally wake up on day 3 to run the game, maybe feeling a momentum boost after yesterday? I'd rather just believe he's town, but we need to have a talk or two.

Its really in Sbell, Scare, Corrik, and you are all going to go insane attacking each other because all the loud people are town.

Meant to include "Lopen is town" in that same list above. Its all true and the game is easily won if ya'll can reel in the paranoia

changmas posted...

More of this will become clear at the 24 hour mark when I learn whether Dumey JK'd me and sent my action 24 hours into the future

If he targeted you during day 2, do you still suppose you would get your result 24 hours later? If we can confirm that, great.

I'm ok with lynching sbell if we have to because no one will believe me on Ulti, though I think Ulti is a more sure thing atm

Can we just have all 3 of those quiet players claim? I say this so I can actually have a chance to solve the game before I die.

Sbell, Scare, Corrik, and maybe maybe Peaf if they actually have someone on the team trying. That's it, that's the end game.

Scare and Corrik I stand by were too instrumental in slamming the door on Sultan

They should probably claim though because yes useful voices are going to be valuable

Like I do legitimately fear the state of the game when chang or Ben get shot. I'm going to be talking into the abyss again and lose.

PunishedBen posted...

One fact that needs to be reiterated is that my time shuffle action is a DAY action, even though it doesn't resolve till the very start of the next night. My "Your action was blocked" message came immediately at the start of night 2, meaning whoever blocked me had a day action as well. (or someone made Chang untargetable?)

Oh wait. Yeah my PM also insinuated something silly was going on. I know what happened. I targeted Dumey day 1, making his night 1 action a day 2 action instead. He likely targeted Chang day 2, making him not just jailed but untargetable (read Dumey's flip). Thus my action on Chang that day 2 also failed.

Comedy

he said he used it on SBell Day 2. Im assuming he JKd me during Night 2

and oh wait, you were blocked during the day? I have zero explanation for that

Correct me if i am wrong. Ben at the end of the day yesterday claimed his role for no reason and killed himself for... absolutely no reason?

Oh edumey not Ben. But same thing.

Well he had votes on him but yeah he probably could have got away without claiming

Ben actually did claim his role for absolutely no reason yesterday

I'm pretty much 80% in the dark of what's going on in this game atm.

Just give me a claims list for now.

And whoever had that day 1 votal time analysis crap. Repost that.

something about ben's stuff isn't really adding up

Ben - clock master swaps day action for night action. Swapped Dumey n1, roleblocked n2.
Chang - ??? Roleblocked n2
Lopen - Vanilla
Peaf - Vanilla
Blade - Weird vote gimmick that does nothing else
Ulti - Backup targeted red n2

I'm wondering if Ben is like a scum jack of all roleblocks and he did the swap thing n1 and roleblocked you n2

Like I don't see why Ben's role exists the more I think about it

What was red and who did Ben try to target night 2.

And 2 roleblocks on the same night. Okay.

Ulti claims town backup (and claims he is now Red's doubling role)
Lopen vanilla
Peaf vanilla
Ben "Clock King" -> day action that targets someone else, if successful it moves that person's night action into a day action on the following day. He claims he was roleblocked Day 2 while attempting to target Chang
Chang (investigative type role), roleblocked Night 2
Blade claims a stupid role based on the movie Groundhog Day that is exclusively a downside, where he can only vote for players (or no Lynch) that he voted for on day 1. He has proved that this restriction is true, but claims there's nothing else to the role.

Also very curious ulti claimed he was going to backup some dead dude and mysteriously he supposedly did back up said person. Again timing is weird cuz why say that and why not do it first to confirm yourself. Quite interesting he did the dumbest thing possible and yet somehow it still worked out he supposedly did it still.

Is there a way to confirm he actually did it?

Red's role is a day action that targets one player, allows them to use their action twice the following night (if possible), at the cost of not being able to use their action at all the following night.

Ben claims he targeted Dumey on D1 and me on D2

Dumey targeted SBell on D2 (after Ben moved his action from N1 to D2), and ??? on N2, but hopefully me. I'll find out if that's the case at 6pm tomorrow.

Red doubles a town role to be used twice

I stand by that was absurd for Ulti to copy

It's probably just Ulti Ben

Corrik7 posted...

Also very curious ulti claimed he was going to backup some dead dude and mysteriously he supposedly did back up said person. Again timing is weird cuz why say that and why not do it first to confirm yourself. Quite interesting he did the dumbest thing possible and yet somehow it still worked out he supposedly did it still.

Is there a way to confirm he actually did it?

he would have to use it on someone we trust whose action can successfully doubled. We wouldn't be able to check if that actually worked until the following day.

changmas posted...

Ulti claims town backup (and claims he is now Red's doubling role)
Lopen vanilla
Peaf vanilla
Ben "Clock King" -> day action that targets someone else, if successful it moves that person's night action into a day action on the following day. He claims he was roleblocked Day 2 while attempting to target Chang
Chang (investigative type role), roleblocked Night 2
Blade claims a stupid role based on the movie Groundhog Day that is exclusively a downside, where he can only vote for players (or no Lynch) that he voted for on day 1. He has proved that this restriction is true, but claims there's nothing else to the role.

Wait.

Hold on.

He swapped Dumey night 1? And was roleblocked night 2? Or he was day actions and these were really day 1 and day 2?

changmas posted...

he would have to use it on someone we trust whose action can successfully doubled. We wouldn't be able to check if that actually worked until the following day.

Wouldn't said person know today on the day phase?

PunishedBen posted...

I did that. I'm sorry, my role sucks ass and is a huge double edged sword. I am the Clock King and its a day action where I can target a player and swap their day action for a night action, and vice versa. I thought this means that if they had a night 1 action I could target them during day 1 and make it a day action instead. So as soon as you said "I wonder how a role would work that makes things happen in the past" I submitted my action on you for fun, thinking if you had a night action you'd get to use it during the day. If not, I'd just work with that information, doesnt seem too harmful.

But no, at night I got the PM back saying i succesfully targeted you. So I then learned it only happens at the end of the day. So really i had allday to pick a target. And it only delays their action to the next phase. So in this case, from night 1 to day 2.....

Completely misunderstood that, because that's pretty trash.

If anyone on town can benefit from this role, raise your hand now. But of course dont do that if its not worth raising your hand over.

Here is Ben's reveal post. After Dumey said he had been swapped to a day action he posted this.

Ben's role itself is a day action (for ben). When he used it on Day 1 (on Dumey), it cancelled Dumey's N1 action, and "moved it" to a Day 2 action, which he could re-select a target for. Dumey confirmed that this did happen.

Ben claims he was blocked on Day 2 when attempting to use the action on me, to move my Night 2 action to Day 3.

##Vote: Ben

Scum jack of all roleblocks I'm going with this.