Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 9 - Therapeutical Applications of Nooses

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Stay the course. You keep forgetting I have my ways.

You worried Corrik will flip town and we kill you tomorrow bro?

This is a weird post. Just to be clear. Looks like setting up lynches with knowing I am town.

That said, I am torn on what to do. Peaf is who I think is the most logical lynch based on votals, but he has really stuck his neck out for me too. It seems so dirty to repay it with his head. I do think red doesn't look too great either, but he isn't really where I would normally go today I believe. It's more a I'd feel pretty bad if peaf is town after he had faith in me.

I kinda feel like maybe you should all just mislynch me and get it over with. It's a mislynch. It's not optimal to take a mislynch, but scum is going to hide the rest of the game behind trying to mislynch me if it doesn't happen today to distract the game. They tried mightily to keep it fixated on me today or even end the day early. And by they I don't even necessarily mean scum as Kirby is probably town and he has been incessant regarding it. But scum is going to use that to coast behind all game.

So maybe it's playing to win today for me to just say let me die.

The difference is Isquen and Lopen are more interested in killing me than they are in finding scum. They don't need reasons to scumread me and are fueled strictly by personal bias, to the point where they will always kill me given the chance and will never accept blame for their actions regarding me. SBell just always seems to find these niche reasons to call me scum that no one else ever calls me scum for that aren't real reasons to call me scum.

I feel like the only reason to claim it on me is out of hope I just say nothing about it at all but I don't see how it actually leads to my mislynch.

Actually Corrik himself may have stated why he would choose you
So he could say "Blade would never claim power to counter a roleblock accusation."

Then again that could apply to many players

htaeD posted...

Actually Corrik himself may have stated why he would choose you
So he could say "Blade would never claim power to counter a roleblock accusation."

Then again that could apply to many players

I wanted to see if he flustered. It was a bad choice all things considered. Ironically, I almost claimed it against wallz. Imagine how funny that would have went down. But, I decided I didn't really like blades comments on knightz towards the end.

You know, I'm not sure anything is more annoying than someone going "haha look what you did you are scum" and being like "Yeah, I did that, what the fuck do you think you found?".

Peaf if you are town I told wallz this back when he was first starting and you would be wise to heed the advice: You can make a case for anyone to be scum in any game if you try hard enough. Looking for stuff under the pretense that you think the person is scum doesn't do any good. You consume a lot of time and just end up stupidly reinforcing something you already convinced yourself of ahead of time.

htaeD posted...

Actually Corrik himself may have stated why he would choose you
So he could say "Blade would never claim power to counter a roleblock accusation."

Then again that could apply to many players

I would say it may have been a bit abnormal for me to shut down his claim so fast, though it's probably been years since the last time I was in any remotely comparable situation. Can tell you I was very much not in the mood to have people jumping on me over a claim I knew was false though.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ill say this.

My #1 scum tell on Peaf is sacrificing himself during the day phase and hes pinged that one many, many times.

The problem I have is that peaf is usually hostile towards me in Mafia due to politics stuff outside of it. But, he has been much nicer lately. And been scum a lot. However, if he wasn't nice today yinz were full steamboat ahead to kill me yesterday early. So, the question is why? As scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Peaf being nice is another scum tell of his.

Perhaps it is but my question is why? He could have just not posted at all.

Would you say Peaf is a TMIer as scum because I feel like he spent a long time saying Corrik was town but doing nothing about it

That specifically is what's making me most paranoid about Corrik

Meow1000 posted...

That specifically is what's making me most paranoid about Corrik

If you feel I am scum, who do you think I cannot be scum with?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ill say this.

My #1 scum tell on Peaf is sacrificing himself during the day phase and hes pinged that one many, many times.

I honestly don't think I've ever done it as scum. I did it in paper mario as town vanilla. And I'm town vanilla again.

red13n posted...

Peaf if you are town I told wallz this back when he was first starting and you would be wise to heed the advice: You can make a case for anyone to be scum in any game if you try hard enough. Looking for stuff under the pretense that you think the person is scum doesn't do any good. You consume a lot of time and just end up stupidly reinforcing something you already convinced yourself of ahead of time.

I agree with you, conceptually. But i think your interactions with Wallz and Knightz, and corrik and Blade, are in themselves enough. Everything else is icing.

Corrik7 posted...

If you feel I am scum, who do you think I cannot be scum with?

I don't have any specific unpairings with you that immediately come to mind.

I do have Peaf/Death unpaired though.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also yes, i stayed awake for the purpose of cosching wallz into a stupid as fuck obvscum claim when he could have just claimed vanilla.

Real solid argument peaf.

does scum red who would have been helping wallz forget that wallz claimed confirmable d1 and thats why he got forced into a Backup claim and not a vanilla

What's sacrificing himself during the day phase mean?

I dont feel Peaf is the type to act smarter than he is.
....
That sounded more insulting than I meant it.
Peaf was also defending Wallz a bit during day2, so if he is scum he is willing to be on the wrong side of history.

changmas posted...

does scum red who would have been helping wallz forget that wallz claimed confirmable d1 and thats why he got forced into a Backup claim and not a vanilla

The claim sucked either way in the first place because backup isn't confirmable

Meow1000 posted...

The claim sucked either way in the first place because backup isn't confirmable

yes but thats beside my point there

I know balance is hard right now.

But we have flips of
Vanilla
????

Vs

Roleblocking Rolecop (insinuates roles to scan)
Doppelganger Framer (insinuates watcher/tracker)

Peaf has claimed Vanilla
I am Vanilla
Kirby Jailkeeper
Mzero Taunter
Ulti some bullshit op claim
Blade action
Chang take over the day and kill people shit

Presumably a votestealer or something for scum
Presumably a kidnapper for scum

The question is based on scum we seen flip... how many Vanilla are we really expecting to see here.

Now that sounds like rolefishing

changmas posted...

does scum red who would have been helping wallz forget that wallz claimed confirmable d1 and thats why he got forced into a Backup claim and not a vanilla

Eh, I see your point but if Red is scum then its an intentionally WIFOM argument in the first place, I didn't get the impression he actually didnt know Wallz claimed confirmable day 1. Red, correct me if I'm wrong!

In before we find out Lopen was a vanilla and "lol" scum

Forgot hammerer for igcd

I'm thinking 4-6 vanillas tops.

If peaf is legit we are alrdy up to 3.

Then again to get back to my previous Peafpost. He was one of the first to question Wallz being a scumbackup, which may turn out to be TMI-ing after all.

htaeD posted...

Then again to get back to my previous Peafpost. He was one of the first to question Wallz being a scumbackup, which may turn out to be TMI-ing after all.

I was early on that train as well because the logic behind it made no sense.

Does anyone think Ben looks good? I think he has flown under the radar big time also.

FD as well.

FD gets a pass for forcing out Knightz' terrible flavor paraphrase.

Ben has been alright. Though he posted less today.

htaeD posted...

FD gets a pass for forcing out Knightz' terrible flavor paraphrase.

Ben has been alright. Though he posted less today.

I should probably read a lot of the knightz stuff at some post. = /

I read the beginning of it and it looked like Taco just tunneled him and he was whining his friend was doing this to him yet again and got flustered.

Corrik7 posted...

Does anyone think Ben looks good? I think he has flown under the radar big time also.

I would say Ben becomes likelier scum in a Peaf scum/Red town world. He's been at the forefront of town clearing people for good reasons but his arguments for scumming people have been lacking.

Uh Ulti

You're basically saying I'm bussing Peaf if Corrik is town when Peaf flipping scum makes Corrik more likely to be town.

It feels like you're trying to have this argument both ways because the way you depicted it Peaf is the obvious lynch before Corrik.

UltimaterializerX posted...

3. Chang
4. Corrik
5. Ctes
6. Death
12. Red
13. Sbell

6 people with no votes down lmao

And two of them are players in the 3 way tie which is even more nuts.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Valentine's mafia, Peaf basically committed suicide day one. In that format, you essentially automatically lived if you paired up with one single person and they paired back. FD and Chang can give great insight into the format.

A game I don't remember the title of, but Peaf was in a tiebreaker and could have voted to save himself. He never did, and got super giga town cleared for it after the flip of the other player. He was scum.

First one is a good point. He was town vanilla in the other however (Paper Mario).

Also I literally cannot f***ing vote.

Who would you be voting for ctes?

(an iso might answer that question easily enough but let's just make it really clear)

UltimaterializerX posted...

I think they're both scum. We're having a good game, but we've only flipped two of them over so far.

Peaf's actions today are odd if both are scum though. Doesn't mean it's impossible, but basically all he did for like half the day was say Corrik was town. Peaf feels like he only pressured Red when pressure on him forced him to do it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

First one is a good point. He was town vanilla in the other however (Paper Mario).

I was going to say. I remember that Peaf moment, and I could've sworn he was town in the end.

Which begs the question of how reliable that trend is and what it says if Peaf is voting one of his tiebreakers (and is the reason the tie is currently three-way instead of simply two-way).

An issue with the three way split is I trust a couple people on each lynch pretty heavily so I'm not even getting any good vibes just by looking at who is on what train (:

UltimaterializerX posted...

A game I don't remember the title of, but Peaf was in a tiebreaker and could have voted to save himself. He never did, and got super giga town cleared for it after the flip of the other player. He was scum.

I was town in that game Ulti.

Meow1000 posted...

And two of them are players in the 3 way tie which is even more nuts.

See I like Peaf right now above the other two for even making his intentions clear at all. Sure it took us telling him he needs to do that. But at least we know where his vote is ending today.

I guess the red one is the one I feel worst about, weirdly? I like both Ben and FD but they're at a lower level of like than Ulti/Kirby and Blade/MZero.

That was paper Mario mafia where Kirby won town the game by getting you and me off each other's back in end game to vote out scum plum. The fact that you still think i was scum in that game is hilarious