Board 8 > Rate the Ace Attorney case: Turnabout Revolution (6-5)

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Rules:

1. Rate each case on a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest. Anything above 10 gets rounded down to a 10, and anything below a 1 gets rounded up to a 1.
2. Anything beyond one decimal point will be rounded accordingly: .04 and below will be rounded down, .05 and up will be rounded up.
3. You may grade on any criteria you like.
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Previous Results:

Bridge to the Turnabout (3-5) - 9.8 (37 votes)
Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4) - 9.7 (30 votes)
Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4) - 9.2 (32 votes)
Turnabout Reclaimed (5-6) - 8.8 (23 votes)
The Golden Court (L-3) - 8.6 (14 votes)
The Inherited Turnabout (E2-3) - 8.5 (16 votes)
Turnabout Beginnings (3-4) - 8.4 (26 votes)
The Rite of Turnabout (6-3) - 8.4 (21 votes)
Rise from the Ashes (1-5) - 8.2 (28 votes)
The Stolen Turnabout (3-2) - 8.2 (24 votes)
Turnabout For Tomorrow (5-5) - 7.9 (27 votes)
Turnabout Memories (3-1) - 7.4 (30 votes)
Turnabout Samurai (1-3) - 7.4 (29 votes)
Turnabout Academy (5-3) - 7.4 (27 votes)
The Grand Turnabout (E2-5) - 7.3 (16 votes)
Turnabout Target (E2-1) - 7.1 (17 votes)
Turnabout Trump (4-1) - 6.9 (25 votes)
The Magical Turnabout (6-2) - 6.7 (22 votes)
Recipe for Turnabout (3-3) - 6.6 (27 votes)
The Fire Witch (L-2) - 6.6 (14 votes)
Reunion, and Turnabout (2-2) - 6.5 (25 votes)
The Monstrous Turnabout (5-2) - 6.5 (23 votes)
Turnabout Ablaze (E1-5) - 6.0 (19 votes)
The Cosmic Turnabout (5-4) - 5.9 (24 votes)
Turnabout Sisters (1-2) - 5.7 (25 votes)
Turnabout Reminiscence (E1-4) - 5.6 (22 votes)
Turnabout Storyteller (6-4) - 5.4 (20 votes)
The Imprisoned Turnabout (E2-2) - 5.3 (16 votes)
The Forgotten Turnabout (E2-4) - 5.2 (16 votes)
The Foreign Turnabout (6-1) - 5.0 (23 votes)
Turnabout Visitor (E1-1) - 5.0 (20 votes)
The Final Witch Trial (L-4) - 5.0 (13 votes)
The First Turnabout (1-1) - 4.9 (25 votes)
The Kidnapped Turnabout (E1-3) - 4.6 (22 votes)
English Turnabout (L-1) - 4.3 (14 votes)
Turnabout Airlines (E1-2) - 4.2 (22 votes)
Turnabout Countdown (5-1) - 4.1 (24 votes)
Turnabout Corner (4-2) - 4.0 (25 votes)
Turnabout Big Top (2-3) - 3.7 (25 votes)
Turnabout Succession (4-4) - 3.5 (24 votes)
The Lost Turnabout (2-1) - 3.3 (27 votes)
Turnabout Serenade (4-3) - 2.7 (24 votes)

Time has been kind to this case, as I distinctly remember people hating this case. It places above the 5.0 mark. People praised the absurdity of the case, Blackquill's return, and Uendo. People generally didn't like Bucky and the structural complaint about it being a filler case right after a dramatic Case 3 and the clear finale of Case 5.

Summary:

Apollo travels to Kurain Village at the request of a face from his past, only to be drawn into yet another case and the most unexpected of showdowns in court. Apollo, Phoenix, and the AA6 crew come together for this globe-spanning, revolutionary finale.

Main Characters: Apollo Justice, Dhurke Sahdmadhi, Athena Cykes, Trucy Wright, Pearl Fey, Phoenix Wright, Ema Skye, The Judge, Maya Fey, Rayfa Padma Khura'in, Nahyuta Sahdmadhi, Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in, Miles Edgeworth, The Khura'inian Judge
Other Characters: Archie Buff, Sarge Buff, Paul Atishon, Armie Buff, Inga Karkhuul Khura'in, Ahlbi Ur'gaid, Nayna, Datz Are'bal, Jove Justice, Amara Sigatar Khura'in

My rating: 10/10. This case owns and any OT true believer needs to play this case. I really have nothing but praise for this case, so I'll leave it to everyone else to talk about how good it is.

The Dhurke twist was insane.

The Dhurke twist is great, and the queen actually being a bad lawyer and having to cheat by inventing new laws as she goes along is funny.

8

i should probably finish this case...

9.5/10

My only issue with this case is Nahyuta trying to take the fall right after Amara gets shot. Just ground the case to a halt after all the momentum it had built up, and it didn't quite stick the landing as a result.

I love almost everything else about the case, and I'm sure it'll all get touched on. I just want to praise the Phoenix/Edgeworth investigation segment in Khura'in. Just a perfect bit of fanservice. It's not quite Edgeworth in 3-5 good, but just seeing Phoenix and Edgeworth be friends instead of rivals was such a treat.

9.5

Really would be better I think if the first day was a different case (they'd both be 9.5's or 10's) but it's still great

10

Depending on my mood I might say this is the best case in the series

9/10

I would say this is the best case in the series since the original trilogy.

I'd give it a 9.

10/10

My favorite case in the series. The first half is awesome, the second half is even better. Fucking love this case to death.

9.8/10

First half is amazing. Second half is also great, until the last bit. I prefer the OT epic cases by a bit, but this one could've surpassed them if it had gone with Amara as the true culprit.

10/10

It's almost cheating because this case is basically two great cases stapled together - each of them are a 9 minimum and the second half alone could be 10/10. The big twist is maybe the biggest twist ever. This case manages to totally redeem Apollo by itself and it really makes me believe Apollo and Dhurke's relationship in a short amount of time. There are some parts of the ending that I wish had been done better - I really don't like how Amara and Apollo never have 'a moment' at the end of this case - but whatever. This game managed to recapture the magic of the original trilogy for me.

Man now I feel like I missed out after bouncing straight off SoJ and not getting far in. Oh well.

KamikazePotato posted...

Man now I feel like I missed out after bouncing straight off SoJ and not getting far in. Oh well.

i bounced off around case 2 but i'm glad i came back!

KamikazePotato posted...

Man now I feel like I missed out after bouncing straight off SoJ and not getting far in. Oh well.

Yep you did

Well, the first case was underwhelming, I'd gotten tired of the AA formula overall, and the new setting really strained my suspension of disbelief. Don't think I would've enjoyed pushing through, as I just wasn't in the right mindset at the time. Maybe someday.

The first case isn't very good. It's a lot of what's wrong with modern AA (cases are too long, too many long animations, just general bloat).

But if you can't buy into the conceit of Khura'in then 6-5 may not land with you anyway.

10

Yeah, this is a 9.5/10

If anything I feel like the first half is underrated, if that was an individual case (as it should be!) it would be up there with the best "minor" cases in the series. It's kind of tragic that the second half, which is way more high stakes, shows up and overshadows it. I have other minor quibbles too, mainly that the final confrontation is less satisfying than the twists that come before it (it almost edges into E1-5 territory in that regard). But both parts are fantastic and for me this is very clearly the best case since the original trilogy.

10

10. Amazing final case. Up there with the best final cases.

9.9

Really should have been 2 cases but at least they're both great.

10

9.5. Could have been two cases, and would earn that way more than DD's final two cases, but it's fine. Also I feel like the second trial day just went on a bit too long - it became a bit exhausting - but the ending was definitely satisfying.

The series has genuinely got me three times. I mean they're always good, amusing, and sometimes surprising, but there's only three times I felt like "they got me, that's genius." The metal detector, the hairflip, and the Dhurke twist. I was like...I dunno, a minute ahead of the reveal or something and the slow dawning of it is very memorable. Big moments matter, I think they're what you remember more than anything, and that was one of my favourite plot twists in a game.

I was surprised at the victim being who he was, I felt he was potentially a great villain - but Garan showing up looking like fuckin Hexadecimal from Reboot and taking the reins away from Nahyuta more than made up for that.

10/10. The other contender for best base in the series. Notable for being hyper-long but actually using every bit of the time it takes well, its actually incredibly well paced.

10/10. The first half alone (1st culprit is much better than the 2nd culprit even) is near the top 5 cases but adding in the second trial just cements it. I will say the ending drops the ball quite a bit and Phoenix's reason to fight Apollo is a bit contrived but every case has its flaws and the pros with the sheer emotional beats and genuine twists heavily outweigh the cons imo.

Yeah, I mean, my issue with the series post-trilogy was that nothing would surprise me anymore. The mechanics of the cases in dual destinies - oh, the room was locked, the body was moved, etc etc, it all just felt like I'd seen it before. For this case to contain possibly the most shocking twist in the series... (Plus just the divination seances throughout the game all allowed for new things) is why it stands out so much.

10

not sure either half would've been a 10 but damn

10

9.5/10

I'll echo the sentiment that they should've been two cases. And personally I'm not as emotionally invested as the other epic cases. But otherwise it's really great with a great cast of memorable characters. And the Dhurke twist was delicious.

also - i'd argue there are a few instances of a case just straight-up being "X case, but done right"

off the top of my head you have:

- 5-6 correcting 2-3
- 6-2 correcting 4-3
- 6-5 correcting 3-5

63 - 8
6-4 - 4
6-5 - 9

I doubt most people think 3-5 needed to be "corrected!"

9

This should have been two separate cases. I still like it, but if there wasn't a good place to take a break, I'd probably dock more than like half a point for the length. (If they were both separate cases, they'd get the same rating I think)

The Kurain Village mystery is nice and sweet. I expected Phoenix was blackmailed, but a part of me wondered if a hint of his AJ self shone through. I love how the case is supposedly just a civil case at first. Paul is neat, if shallow. I don't think I've seen much media that goes into Japanese politics even if it's mostly for surface level gags. And Armie is one of the best characters in the franchise. She alone is why this should be two cases.

I like how the obviously evil Inga is dispatched pretty easily, though a part of me wishes we saw more of him, and I think it would have been more interesting to see Ga'ran's mask slip at a more gradual pace. I don't think it is unrealistic for her to be a tyrant or anything like that, I just almost find the set up with her facade and regal design to be kind of a letdown.

Rayfa continues to be good. Nahyuta continues to be bland until the very end, where's he's cool, actually. But the coolness isn't earned unfortunately.

The overall mystery in the latter half gives off strong 3-5 vibes. Bombshell after bombshell is dropped and it makes full use of the mystery and setting. The spiritualism is used perfectly, both with insights and channeling. But admittedly, it is so dense that I feel like I need to revisit this case.

(Also this has nothing to do anything but last night I had a dream that a goose tried to murder me and Nahyuta was there, but did nothing at all to help, so if he wasn't already dead to me, he would be now.)

People really get hung up on whether 5-4/5-5 should be one case or 6-5 should be two cases. They both work just fine the way they are, so I don't know why this topic gets brought up so much.

If anything, I think 6-5 benefits from being one case because I'm not giving a near perfect score to either half individually. Seems like some people here would, which I understand. The individual cases are probably 8.5/9s, but it's the total package (particularly the Apollo/Dhurke part of it) that gives it that impact.

GAA2 is the one place where the game outright lies to you, and even then, I'm not going to dock its score for it.

Leonhart4 posted...

GAA2 is the one place where the game outright lies to you, and even then, I'm not going to dock its score for it.

When does it lie?

Anagram posted...

When does it lie?

By placing an arbitrary division between G2-4 and G2-5. There is no logical explanation for splitting them in two, and so you've lied to the player by making them think there was still a finale to come when (surprise!) you've been in the finale all along.

For the record, Day 1 is a 9/10 for me and Day 2 is a 9.5/10. So yeah, not exactly a 10, but it might as well be. Not a lot of cases have two back-to-back amazing days!

If Day 1 is its own case, what would the case name be?

Bitto posted...

If Day 1 is its own case, what would the case name be?

Turnabout Spelunker

Or maybe The Civil Turnabout

10

Great Dhurke twist. Also, Apollo using the revisualization (or whatever it's called) to dethrone the queen at the end was brilliant!

Bitto posted...

If Day 1 is its own case, what would the case name be?

Turnabout Trum- wait, that's taken.

Uh, The Founder's Turnabout, maybe?

Yeah, I like the Civil Turnabout. It's a civil case but also a sort of civil war between Apollo and Phoenix.

Turnabout Legacy would be a good one, too, because of the Founder's Orb and the case centering around Apollo's relationships with his two greatest influences, Dhurke and Phoenix.

You could almost call 6-5 part two The Inherited Turnabout if E2-3 didn't exist...!

Inga Karkhuul Haw'kohd Dis'nahm Bi'ahni Lawga Ormo Pohmpus Da'nit Ar'edi Iz Khura'in III