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ChocoboMogALT
04/07/24 5:48:33 PM
#101:


I agree with the title, but not the opening post. Maybe it's just a weird attitude from TC. I'll try to expand on my thoughts when I get home, but there's a few stories where people have been pressured to it themselves: https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/09/01/love-simon-author-coming-out-bisexual-becky-albertalli-leah-offbeat-straight-criticism/

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DnDer
04/07/24 5:48:53 PM
#102:


Garioshi posted...
This sure does read as "there is zero pressure to come out".

<facepalm>

The pressure in that context is the pressure of seeing other people--peers--out first. I don't see it state (or even imply) that friends are pressuring you to do the same.

Are you going to suggest there's a kind of... agenda... that's pushing teens to come out before they want to, and to "perform" their identity?

Also, why are you letting a link Guide posted divert you away from people calling you to the mat over your origi--oh, never mind.

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 5:51:37 PM
#103:


DnDer posted...
Also, why are you letting a link Guide posted divert you away from people calling you to the mat over your origi--oh, never mind.

Right?! Guide immediately rushed to the defense of his fellow bigot buddy, and TC absolutely took the help

Easiest tags in history.

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FunWithAFryPan
04/07/24 5:54:24 PM
#104:


Trans is not a sexuality.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/07/24 5:54:39 PM
#105:


Dudebusters posted...
Right?! Guide immediately rushed to the defense of his fellow bigot buddy, and TC absolutely took the help

Easiest tags in history.
I dont think either of them are bigots. I think TC just wanted to stir the pot, and Guide was defending tc without the context of why the topic was so suspect.

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Garioshi
04/07/24 6:04:18 PM
#106:


StealThisSheen posted...
I'm gonna give you one more chance to save yourself, literally just one.

Here is the context:

The character didn't go on some soapbox to announce they're bisexual. They didn't announce they're bisexual at all. They just happened to have a scene where they kissed a fellow man.

Do you think this is "announcing" their sexuality? Please explain.
I'll preface this by stating that this has no relevance to anything I've said previously. Objectively, this is revealing new information to the audience that they didn't know before, so it is, in some sense, "announcing" it to the audience, but nowhere close to getting on a soapbox and delivering a speech to the world. It's also much better writing, obviously; a bi person tends to give more kisses to the same sex than announcements that they're bi to the world. As I've been discussing it, though, I wouldn't consider it an announcement. Unpacking (the game) has some really excellent diegetic storytelling to show that the main character is bi, and I love it for that.

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Garioshi
04/07/24 6:07:58 PM
#107:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Trans is not a sexuality.
True! I made the title before the OP and didn't go back and change it. My bad.

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 6:09:35 PM
#108:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I dont think either of them are bigots. I think TC just wanted to stir the pot, and Guide was defending tc without the context of why the topic was so suspect.

I don't know if I'd agree with this. If you intentionally aim to stir the post in a bigoted fashion, you're atleast bigot-adjacent. And then Guide rushed in based on defending the seemingly bigoted posts TC made, which, well... Makes them look even worse, if TC actually was just trolling.

So, on my scorecard, that's:
TC: Atleast bigot-adjacent
Guide: Bigot

Remember, Guide was given the context and doubled down.

Jury's out on TC. Guide meanwhile had the chance to backpedal and instead doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down, so, uh... Whoops.

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ZMythos
04/07/24 6:17:56 PM
#109:


People express themselves in a variety of ways. Somebody announcing their gender identity or sexuality in a public setting might be doing so for personal affirmation, for example; not necessarily for outside validation, either. Others still might not feel safe or comfortable doing so, or may already have that affirmation with a strong support group and therefore may not feel the need to.

There's no right or wrong way to go about it, and it might seem like the former gets more attention just by the nature of its publicity. Movies and TV might show bias to more public or obvious displays of a character's sexuality or gender identity mostly because that's what a majority of audiences were previously exposed to and make it easier to digest before moving on to another plot point in the story.

Rarely will you see a more nuanced take on these traits if the story isn't directly about them. Books and other written media have more opportunities to explore these ideas even for minor characters, but translating that to the screen isn't exactly an easy endeavor since visual stories don't often tell us or direct us to exactly what a character might be thinking.

Not to mention there's a much smaller pool of writers for visual works versus written ones, combined with TV/Film's... history... with women, queer people, and racial minorities leaving a pretty wide gap in representation that's still trying to be bridged to this day.

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hockeybabe89
04/07/24 6:19:27 PM
#110:


DnDer posted...
And did any of your friends you opened up to encourage you unprompted to tell anyone else, or to publicly "perform" your identity?

(What was with that "perform" language anyway? Feels sus just reading it.)
Of course not! They know that is my identity, my journey, and that it goes at my pace.

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Trumble
04/07/24 6:20:58 PM
#111:


No one (outside of maybe a few online wackos) are saying everyone has to. People are saying everyone should be able to do so freely. Huge difference.

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DnDer
04/07/24 6:25:48 PM
#112:


hockeybabe89 posted...
Of course not! They know that is my identity, my journey, and that it goes at my pace.

Exactly. Thank you for the confirmation.

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 6:26:20 PM
#113:


Trumble posted...
No one (outside of maybe a few online wackos) are saying everyone has to. People are saying everyone should be able to do so freely. Huge difference.

This is definitely the main point. Nobody is saying everybody has to, just that everybody should feel free to, if they want to. It's the people that get mad whenever somebody outs, at all, that are the problem.

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hockeybabe89
04/07/24 6:34:12 PM
#114:


Dudebusters posted...
This is definitely the main point. Nobody is saying everybody has to, just that everybody should feel free to, if they want to. It's the people that get mad whenever somebody outs, at all, that are the problem.
And those people are like "I have no problem with people being whoever they are, but please keep it out of public so it doesn't make me feel queasy!"

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Nukazie
04/07/24 6:35:15 PM
#115:


i'm surprised tc ain't suspended yet

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JuanCarlos1
04/07/24 6:44:46 PM
#116:


I think theres some merit to TCs post. In an ideal non bigoted world, it shouldnt be news worthy when someone comes out.

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FunWithAFryPan
04/07/24 6:51:45 PM
#117:


JuanCarlos1 posted...
I think theres some merit to TCs post. In an ideal non bigoted world, it shouldnt be news worthy when someone comes out.
Its not correct to make prescriptions based on ideal circumstances.

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StealThisSheen
04/07/24 6:53:47 PM
#118:


JuanCarlos1 posted...
I think theres some merit to TCs post. In an ideal non bigoted world, it shouldnt be news worthy when someone comes out.

It's literally only news-worthy BECAUSE people like TC complained about it, though. If they hadn't complained, it wouldn't have made news, in the first place.

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haloiscoolisbak
04/07/24 6:57:39 PM
#119:


I do understand TCs point and am not the least bit surprised they're LGBT themselves

There are valid reasons for still needing to "come out" but hopefully in a few decades there won't be.


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hockeybabe89
04/07/24 7:02:56 PM
#120:


haloiscoolisbak posted...
There are valid reasons for still needing to "come out" but hopefully in a few decades there won't be.
Because everybody would be able to be out without having to agonize over it

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bfslick50
04/07/24 7:07:26 PM
#121:


StealThisSheen posted...
It's literally only news-worthy BECAUSE people like TC complained about it, though. If they hadn't complained, it wouldn't have made news, in the first place.

This. No one complains when a heterosexual couple kisses. We should be aiming to treat everyone the same and TC is decidedly not doing that.

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Philip027
04/07/24 7:10:28 PM
#122:


Well, yeah, it shouldn't be. Only relationship partners and maaaaybe healthcare professionals (if they are in charge of your sexual health in some way) are entitled to such information.

Beyond that, people should only be "announcing" or talking about it because they actually want to. And for the most part, that's generally what happens.
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haloiscoolisbak
04/07/24 7:46:59 PM
#123:


hockeybabe89 posted...
Because everybody would be able to be out without having to agonize over it

Yes. That is what I was inferring.

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Enclave
04/07/24 7:53:20 PM
#124:


Vicious_Dios posted...
What prompted this topic, tc?

Guessing he played the Forbidden West DLC and got mad at the ending.

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04/07/24 10:01:27 PM
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Garioshi
04/07/24 10:07:27 PM
#125:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Its not correct to make prescriptions based on ideal circumstances.
A prescriptive statement is about how the world should be, also known as "ideal circumstances".

StealThisSheen posted...
It's literally only news-worthy BECAUSE people like TC complained about it, though. If they hadn't complained, it wouldn't have made news, in the first place.
Where have I complained about it?

bfslick50 posted...
This. No one complains when a heterosexual couple kisses. We should be aiming to treat everyone the same and TC is decidedly not doing that.
I'm literally doing that! That's what this topic is about! Being gay or trans or whatever should be normal and utterly unexceptional! That's what my second post in this topic was about!


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PowerMan5000000
04/07/24 10:11:23 PM
#126:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Physics major?

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GrandConjuraton
04/07/24 10:16:19 PM
#127:


CountCorvinus posted...
Shut the fuck up


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KitKats
04/07/24 10:20:02 PM
#128:


I declare this my official announcement of being

Queer

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ViewtifulGrave
04/07/24 10:20:15 PM
#129:


bfslick50 posted...
This. No one complains when a heterosexual couple kisses.
I do.

It always bugged me that male and female characters seemingly always have get together.

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KitKats
04/07/24 10:25:53 PM
#130:


Pride exists for a reason!

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teep_
04/07/24 10:59:21 PM
#131:


TC is LBGTQ+ themselves and Guide is one of the biggest allies on this board, so the fact that CE is going all pitchforks over an idealistic, badly-worded take is insane and peak CE

This is not an example of bigotry. This is an example of someone whose social bubble is 100% accepting of LGBTQ+ stuff idealistically extrapolating their situation to the rest of the world, and anyone who sees it differently either knows nothing about the posters involved or has an agenda

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StealThisSheen
04/07/24 11:00:05 PM
#132:


Garioshi posted...
I'm literally doing that! That's what this topic is about! Being gay or trans or whatever should be normal and utterly unexceptional! That's what my second post in this topic was about!

You literally already admitted to making this topic in response to a topic about 9-1-1, which simply only shows a gay kiss, and you are whining about "announcing" sexuality.

Try harder, next time.

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Euripides
04/07/24 11:03:33 PM
#133:


Some real "stop shoving it down our throats" vibes in this thread

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 11:04:24 PM
#134:


teep_ posted...
Guide is one of the biggest allies on this board

lmao

So are you Guide, or do you just want me to start getting in to your own post history, Mr. "Vibrators are UNNATURAL and WRONG"?

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teep_
04/07/24 11:06:55 PM
#135:


Dudebusters posted...
lmao

So are you Guide, or do you just want me to start getting in to your own post history, Mr. "Vibrators are UNNATURAL and WRONG"?
I'm not Guide, since everyone who knows me knows I'm a brown German Muslim dude, and you're welcome to delve into my post history, especially considering you either pulled that quote out of your ass, or you dug up some stuff from 10 years ago when I was a lot more bigoted than I am now

e: 14 year old account with 160 karma. My bad for taking you seriously

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 11:10:14 PM
#136:


teep_ posted...
I'm not Guide, since everyone who knows me knows I'm a brown German Muslim dude, and you're welcome to delve into my post history, especially considering you either pulled that quote out of your ass, or you dug up some stuff from 10 years ago when I was a lot more bigoted than I am now

e: 14 year old account with 160 karma. My bad for taking you seriously

By "ten years ago" did you mean three years ago

Because it was three years ago, and you continued to make similar topics for atleast a year and a half beyond that. Probably longer, but I stopped looking, because I realized you weren't worth it.

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teep_
04/07/24 11:11:20 PM
#137:


Dudebusters posted...
By "ten years ago" did you mean three years ago

Because it was three years ago, and you continued to make similar topics for atleast a year and a half beyond that. Probably longer, but I stopped looking, because I realized you weren't worth it.
[Citation needed]

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 11:12:56 PM
#138:


teep_ posted...
[Citation needed]

Vibrators are unnatural and wrong
teep_
03/08/21 6:48:08 AM

You've been nothing but a basic gibberish troll since, which is why nobody typically pays attention to you. I'm already offering you too much.

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super_felicia
04/07/24 11:21:04 PM
#139:


Dudebusters posted...
You've been nothing but a basic gibberish troll since, which is why nobody typically pays attention to you. I'm already offering you too much.
bit overly harshalso is the topic with that post visible now? I still doubt your claim tbh it seems fabricatable

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 11:22:27 PM
#140:


super_felicia posted...
bit overly harshalso is the topic with that post visible now? I still doubt your claim tbh it seems fabricatable

I can't link to the topic for obvious reasons but everybody knows how to find it by now.

Also hey teep, did you mean to post on that account? Gave yourself away a bit with that "I still doubt" bit. Maybe you'll get better at this, eventually.

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GrandConjuraton
04/07/24 11:26:06 PM
#141:


Dudebusters is one of the most unnecessarily hostile posters on this board. No one should pay much attention to him.

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 11:26:59 PM
#142:


GrandConjuraton posted...
Dudebusters is one of the most necessarily hostile posters on this board. No one should pay much attention to him.

I'm spitting so much truth random alts are coming in to attack me. Nice.

Even you called me a "necessarily" hostile poster. Thanks, dude!

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super_felicia
04/07/24 11:27:25 PM
#143:


Dudebusters posted...
I can't link to the topic for obvious reasons but everybody knows how to find it by now.

Also hey teep, did you mean to post on that account?
Stop being so dumb wtf I shown
my face he shown his face. Or what one persons pics be fabricated? You cant be real right now youre paranoid thinking 3 people are teep

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cuttin_in_farm
04/07/24 11:28:48 PM
#144:


This topic really sucks because you get completely different interpretations depending on if youre insane or a normal human being.

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super_felicia
04/07/24 11:29:23 PM
#145:


Dudebusters posted...
I can't link to the topic for obvious reasons but everybody knows how to find it by now.

Also hey teep, did you mean to post on that account? Gave yourself away a bit with that "I still doubt" bit. Maybe you'll get better at this, eventually
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2dae8092.jpg

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Dudebusters
04/07/24 11:30:20 PM
#146:


super_felicia posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2dae8092.jpg

You seem incredibly upset that I pointed out that you forgot which alt you were on, since you replied to me as if we were already talking when we weren't.

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super_felicia
04/07/24 11:32:42 PM
#147:


Dudebusters posted...
You seem incredibly upset that I pointed out that you forgot which alt you were on, since you replied to me as if we were already talking when we weren't.
you are very off rn look at how theres is 2 different people in the selfie topic with usernames and learn ffs
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Dudebusters
04/07/24 11:32:53 PM
#148:


super_felicia posted...
I still doubt your claim tbh it seems fabricatable

Right here was your crucial mistake, since we hadn't been talking prior. Maybe you'll learn from this mistake and do better next time.

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teep_
04/07/24 11:33:20 PM
#149:


Damn, I can't believe someone would go on the internet and tell lies about me!

This has devolved into a shit show, so I'm just gonna wish everyone itt a blessed Ramadhan and a pre-emptive Eid Mubarak for Wednesday and go to work :)

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