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Smashingpmkns
03/22/24 8:36:36 PM
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https://twitter.com/CodySDax/status/1770686406127472685

They're all in the hidden replies to that tweet if you want to see it. An example of a reply

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/aad16c81.jpg

I feel like if you're identifying with a clear as day racist villain then maybe you should reevaluate some things. I agree with Red Skull type shit.

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Aloc
03/22/24 8:38:50 PM
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The x men aren't marginalized.

They could kill us all.

Or destroy our minds.

Or something.
Being marginalized means you have no or little power.

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Ar0ge
03/22/24 8:43:05 PM
#3:


They just say all the quiet parts out loud these days don't they.
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Guide
03/22/24 8:43:12 PM
#4:


The X-Men are a unit of consolidated power that represent a marginalized group.

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Baron_Ox
03/22/24 8:43:39 PM
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even if they're correct about the X-Men, the average mutant doesn't have access to those resources.

it would be like, using the experiences of rich people from marginalized groups to make a statement about the marginalized groups in general.

but bigots tend to be dumb dumbs

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refmon
03/22/24 8:43:47 PM
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Aloc posted...
They could kill us all.


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Aloc
03/22/24 8:43:59 PM
#7:


Guide posted...
The X-Men are a unit of consolidated power that represent a marginalized group.
Its not a good representation when Xmen power levels have been so buffed They can kill us all

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WizardPowers
03/22/24 8:44:59 PM
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"Xmen are just like PoC" is always good for a laugh

They're literally walking nukes in many cases

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FortuneCookie
03/22/24 8:45:55 PM
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Lemme just say that the art design in that clip is awful. It allows more fluid fight scenes than what they could have done in the Nelvana show, but that art is ugggg-leee.

As for the clip, they did a good job except for saying "normal people have it harder." That's a little too forced. Everything else feels like a person would actually say to someone who is marginalized.
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Aloc
03/22/24 8:45:56 PM
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"Xmen are so oppressed"

Are we ignoring the galaxy/universe destroyers?

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 8:45:58 PM
#11:


Aloc posted...
The x men aren't marginalized.

They could kill us all.

Or destroy our minds.

Or something.
Being marginalized means you have no or little power.

Imagine openly siding with the racist villain in a topic calling people out for siding with the racist villain

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Guide
03/22/24 8:46:07 PM
#12:


Aloc posted...
Its not a good representation when Xmen power levels have been so buffed They can kill us all

They 'represent' as in 'stand for'. Your senator (ostensibly) represents you, but his suit and wine cabinet are not a reflection of your basement full of saltine crackers and canned ham.

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Zero_Destroyer
03/22/24 8:46:16 PM
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vee is a terminal case of lolcow, genuinely one of the dumbest people i've seen online in general

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Aloc
03/22/24 8:46:54 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Imagine openly siding with the racist villain in a topic calling people out for siding with the racist villain
I'm telling you the xmen are NOT a good example of a marginalized group.

Being marginalized means you have little to no power.

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 8:50:11 PM
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Aloc posted...
I'm telling you the xmen are NOT a good example of a marginalized group.

Being marginalized means you have little to no power.

"Little to no power" doesn't literally mean physical power. It means political power. Mutants have little to no political power, and were incredibly marginalized. That's the entire point.

Yes, many mutants had the physical power to kill a ton of people, if they wanted. Regardless of that, they had very little political power, and were refused even basic rights.

Try again.

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Sansoldier
03/22/24 8:50:52 PM
#16:


FortuneCookie posted...
Lemme just say that the art design in that clip is awful. It allows more fluid fight scenes than what they could have done in the Nelvana show, but that art is ugggg-leee.

As for the clip, they did a good job except for saying "normal people have it harder." That's a little too forced. Everything else feels like a person would actually say to someone who is marginalized.

It does sound kind of ridiculous, but people do talk like that, especially related to affirmative action and welfare.

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FortuneCookie
03/22/24 9:00:35 PM
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Sansoldier posted...
It does sound kind of ridiculous, but people do talk like that, especially related to affirmative action and welfare.

That's situational. On the subject of welfare and affirmative action, people opposed to these things can play the victim in a "Why do I have to work hard so that they can get a free pass?" kind of way. When it comes to who has it worse in a general sense, invalidation of individual hardship and equalization is the best they can hope for. "Life is difficult for everyone."

The majority saying that they have it worse is such a blatant Fire is Cold lie that there's no real way to propose such an argument -- except in the context of it being harder to be the majority because everyone unfairly hates the majority. If that guy was babbling on about how X-Men hated humans and thought they were superior, then he could play that card. But for him to throw out a blanket statement about humans having it harder when everything else feels valid, it's like explaining the underscore of the statement to the audience.

X-Men '97, I presume, is for adults who remember the 90s cartoon. I'm sure there are children watching too. But I don't think that they need the bad guy to say such an on-the-nose remark in the midst of what otherwise feels like a legitimate tirade that a bigot would go on.
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buddah86
03/22/24 9:04:06 PM
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And here I was hoping Magneto was going to give those UN people and the villain a taste of what for when he took them to space and turn the x-men into the brotherhood 2.0

Justice for Storm!

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KogaSteelfang
03/22/24 9:04:51 PM
#19:


That may apply to the X-Men, sure. But that scene happened happened after an attack on the Morlocks. Y'know the mutants driven to live underground in literal sewers to survive. Magneto says it best, that they don't consider mutants deserving enough to even live in their filth.

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 9:09:53 PM
#20:


KogaSteelfang posted...
That may apply to the X-Men, sure. But that scene happened happened after an attack on the Morlocks. Y'know the mutants driven to live underground in literal sewers to survive. Magneto says it best, that they don't consider mutants deserving enough to even live in their filth.

So, in other words, racists couldn't be bothered with details, they had to rush to racist.

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creativerealms
03/22/24 9:10:02 PM
#21:


The Friends of Humanity are essentially a racist, white supremacist, terrorist organisation. One who is not only trying to kill mutants but also any normal human that shows them respect. Even if that "respect" is a fair trial. If these are the people you are siding with, you are telling on yourself.

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KogaSteelfang
03/22/24 9:10:31 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
So, in other words, racists couldn't be bothered with details, they had to rush to racist.
Pretty much.

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cjsdowg
03/22/24 9:15:37 PM
#23:


Don't compare the xmen to minorities. We are just ppl. These guys can blow up cities with a wink. And let not get started on Wanda.

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bfslick50
03/22/24 9:23:45 PM
#24:


People like underdogs and they like to fantasize about having super powers so writers often put the two together but X-men and magic users are a bad stand in for oppressed people. Magic users and mutants would be the small minority ruling class. Many of them have skills that can make rich people richer, and that means they wouldnt be hunted and executed like writers want to imagine.

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hockeybabe89
03/22/24 9:26:27 PM
#25:


WizardPowers posted...
"Xmen are just like PoC" is always good for a laugh

They're literally walking nukes in many cases
I mean, that's basically exactly what the X-Men were created to represent.

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 9:28:46 PM
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I dont know the context of this scene, but x men as a stand in for marginalized groups always had some issues.

I understand what they are supposed to represent, not being seen as equals, even inhuman, but giving some of them abilities of mass destruction and thus a legitimate reason to fear them never quite sat right with me.

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cjsdowg
03/22/24 9:29:37 PM
#27:


hockeybabe89 posted...
I mean, that's basically exactly what the X-Men were created to represent.

At the time they were made they were 5 straight rich white ppl beating up a Holocaust Survivor. So they dropped they ball right at the start.

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KogaSteelfang
03/22/24 9:31:22 PM
#28:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I dont know the context of this scene
Magneto is on trial for crimes against humanity. These people don't think he deserves a trial.

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hockeybabe89
03/22/24 9:31:38 PM
#29:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I dont know the context of this scene, but x men as a stand in for marginalized groups always had some issues.

I understand what they are supposed to represent, not being seen as equals, even inhuman, but giving some of them abilities of mass destruction and thus a legitimate reason to fear them never quite sat right with me.
There's legitimate reason to fear individual people who belong to minority groups. No reason to fear and oppress them all.

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 9:33:46 PM
#30:


hockeybabe89 posted...
There's legitimate reason to fear individual people who belong to minority groups. No reason to fear and oppress them all.
But no minority of any group is born with literal nukes as something they can manifest


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Axiom
03/22/24 9:36:27 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
But no minority of any group is born with literal nukes as something they can manifest
Ok but if they were you know fearing an entire race because of an individual is fucked up right

Fearing a race because of what a few do is literally real life racism
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hockeybabe89
03/22/24 9:38:26 PM
#32:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
But no minority of any group is born with literal nukes as something they can manifest
And that makes bigotry and stereotyping acceptable how?

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Smashingpmkns
03/22/24 9:40:04 PM
#33:


Man a lot of people ITT would be X-Men villains

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 9:42:48 PM
#34:


hockeybabe89 posted...
And that makes bigotry and stereotyping acceptable how?
Thats not what im saying. It just doesnt always work for me because minority groups in real life literally have no differences between them other than the way they look in terms of racism. LGBT groups are also no different than any other person, their sexuality does not give them abilities or give them the ability to explode people with their mind. The color of your skin or sexuality does not make you any better or worse than any other person.

Mutants quite literally can be born with mass murdering capability than they cant control. Im not saying bigotry is acceptable, its just always been a weird incongruence to me.

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dancing_cactuar
03/22/24 9:45:05 PM
#35:


Mutants as an analogy for marginalized people never fucking worked in my book because at least where I'm from, black people and the gay community don't have the ability to shoot laser beams out of their eyeballs, control the weather, or just be a permanent walking cloud of poison like that one Ultimate comic where a kid that accidentally killed 265 people including his parents is killed by Wolverine.

It also doesn't work in universe for Marvel because you have a bunch of people with superpowers to the point where you have shit like House of M Spiderman just pretending to be a mutant the whole time.

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Smashingpmkns
03/22/24 9:49:39 PM
#36:


You guys know that like 75% of the superheroes in the Marvel universe aren't subjugated to extreme prejudice because of their powers like the X-Men are, right? Lol

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McMarbles
03/22/24 9:51:08 PM
#37:


Topic: Racists agree with thinly-veiled KKK stand-in
CE: Yeah but thinly-veiled KKK stand-in has a point though, also could someone please define irony for me

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 9:53:12 PM
#38:


Smashingpmkns posted...
You guys know that like 75% of the superheroes in the Marvel universe aren't subjugated to extreme prejudice because of their powers like the X-Men are, right? Lol
I dont think the prejudice the X men and mutants face in universe is acceptable. Im quite literally just saying why i always felt uneasy that the group representing real life marginalized groups are born with often incredibly dangerous abilities

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tremain07
03/22/24 9:54:10 PM
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Aren't the current X-Men pretty much just as bad as the humans they hate now? They seem to exist just to get into slap fights with the Avengers nowadays. It's honestly kind of sad how they started as "protecting a world that hates and fears them" and became "Magneto was right, fuck humans, fuck the earth, we live on orgy island and in space orbiting the earth now, oh and we use bigoted words towards humans now too."

It's pretty much giving up the original moral and accepting that people are going to be racist towards each other for differences and eventually this pointless hatred will destroy them all...til some kind of cosmic reset happens and they do this again for another big event.

A bit depressing when you think about it, kinda like had Justice League continued Clark definitely would have ended up a villain at some point because while they had done the justice lord plot. Unlimited was all about Clark teetering the line between himself as normal and turning into his Justice Lord self as Batman keeps raging at him for it while Wonder Woman just enables or says something confrontational.

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McMarbles
03/22/24 9:55:03 PM
#40:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
But no minority of any group is born with literal nukes as something they can manifest
Also 99% of mutants arent born with literal nukes as something they can manifest.

Like, theres the guy who is half chicken or the girl who poops ice cream or the guy with three faces, I guess fuck them for existing.

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cjsdowg
03/22/24 9:55:45 PM
#41:


hockeybabe89 posted...
And that makes bigotry and stereotyping acceptable how?

No one is saying Join friends of Humanity. But don't compare people with Super humans.

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 9:56:21 PM
#42:


McMarbles posted...
Also 99% of mutants arent born with literal nukes as something they can manifest.

Like, theres the guy who is half chicken or the girl who poops ice cream or the guy with three faces, I guess fuck them for existing.
dude once again i dont think its okay or acceptable for people to be racist against mutants for existing.

These are fictional characters with fictional abilities that real life marginalized groups do not have. That is why i never loved the marginalized group analogy. Im not condoning racism jesus christ

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bfslick50
03/22/24 9:56:52 PM
#43:


Axiom posted...
Ok but if they were you know fearing an entire race because of an individual is fucked up right

Fearing a race because of what a few do is literally real life racism

Real life racism is often fearing an entire race regardless of what they do. The fear often based on what a minority might do independent of the actions of any individual. Additionally, racism isn't always rooted in fear. Racism as exploiting a group that's easy to target doesn't really work with mutants. Most mutants have skills that could help rich people get richer and are people that are not easily replaceable, those two factors combined generally translate to economic security.

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NoMeLx22x
03/22/24 9:58:19 PM
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Holy shit. Are people really nitpicking that because the X-men have powers they aren't the marginalized group in this case?

How are people missing the point of the X-men in the year 2024?

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 9:59:18 PM
#45:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
But no minority of any group is born with literal nukes as something they can manifest

I mean a vast majority of X-Men mutants don't have literal "nuke" powers. Some of them have stuff like "Grow quills kinda sorta and also you can't turn it off so people judge you for looking weird."

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cjsdowg
03/22/24 10:00:09 PM
#46:


bfslick50 posted...
Real life racism is often fearing an entire race regardless of what they do. The fear often based on what a minority might do independent of the actions of any individual. Additionally, racism isn't always rooted in fear. Racism as exploiting a group that's easy to target doesn't really work with mutants. Most mutants have skills that could help rich people get richer and are people that are not easily replaceable, those two factors combined generally translate to economic security.

This reminds me of the cartoon . When Colossus tore down a building in seconds. And the construction workers were . Colossus did just put them out of work.

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 10:01:42 PM
#47:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
dude once again i dont think its okay or acceptable for people to be racist against mutants for existing.

These are fictional characters with fictional abilities that real life marginalized groups do not have. That is why i never loved the marginalized group analogy. Im not condoning racism jesus christ

You say you aren't condoning racism while literally making an argument for racism by saying "Listen this group doesn't make sense for being marginalized because a select few have strong powers."

You realize the problem with this, right?

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 10:02:33 PM
#48:


StealThisSheen posted...
I mean a vast majority of X-Men mutants don't have literal "nuke" powers. Some of them have stuff like "Grow quills kinda sorta and also you can't turn it off so people judge you for looking weird."
Yes, i understand most mutants arent capable of destroying the world or mass destruction, but most of the ones we follow in the comics, both good or evil, are.

Again, people shouldnt be racist to anyone because they are a mutant. A guy who can explode people by looking at them is a little different than a guy with different skin color than me though. That is all im saying.

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 10:03:28 PM
#49:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Yes, i understand most mutants arent capable of destroying the world or mass destruction, but most of the ones we follow in the comics, both good or evil, are.

Again, people shouldnt be racist to anyone because they are a mutant. A guy who can explode people by looking at them is a little different than a guy with different skin color than me though. That is all im saying.

So then you are literally just on record for saying "It's okay that, in the comics, the ENTIRE mutant race is marginalized, because there's a guy that can explode people by looking at them."

You aren't helping your case, here.

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 10:05:11 PM
#50:


NoMeLx22x posted...
Holy shit. Are people really nitpicking that because the X-men have powers they aren't the marginalized group in this case?

How are people missing the point of the X-men in the year 2024?

Yeah, this is what's wild to me. A startling number of people on this board would literally be racist villains in the X-men universe.

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