Current Events > Pope says Ukraine should have courage of the white flag and negotiate surrender

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Pope Francis has sparked anger after saying Ukraine should have the courage of the white flag and negotiate to end the war with Russia.

Pope should have the courage to stfu

I get the feeling that western leaders prefer to see the conflict freeze because they don't want to deal with the consequences of one side winning it.

or maybe he is just saying what nobody wants to hear?

or maybe he is just saying what nobody wants to hear?

what are the chances of Ukraine taking back their territories at this point? EU support is divided, US support is unsure. Even with the support of the last two years, Ukraine seems to only ever get what they need to survive but not to win. I don't see that changing.

I get the feeling that western leaders prefer to see the conflict freeze because they don't want to deal with the consequences of one side winning it.

The only realistic ending to the conflict is a cease fire, Russia takes what they have and the rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the good guys don't always win if they stick their thumbs up their asses.

or maybe he is just saying what nobody wants to hear?

what are the chances of Ukraine taking back their territories at this point? EU support is divided, US support is unsure. Even with the support of the last two years, Ukraine seems to only ever get what they need to survive but not to win. I don't see that changing.

I get the feeling that western leaders prefer to see the conflict freeze because they don't want to deal with the consequences of one side winning it.

The only realistic ending to the conflict is a cease fire, Russia takes what they have and the rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the good guys don't always win if they stick their thumbs up their asses.

I get the feeling that western leaders prefer to see the conflict freeze because they don't want to deal with the consequences of one side winning it.

The only realistic ending to the conflict is a cease fire, Russia takes what they have and the rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the good guys don't always win if they stick their thumbs up their asses.

If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.

No the rest of the world especially the GOP needs to triple down on Ukraine Aid. Whatever Russia is spending spend quadruple.

Russia conquering Ukraine just means war with Russia in other countries later. Letting Ukraine fall means a more direct NATO conflict with Russia later.

Not only is it a humanitarian disaster and a huge boon to Russia(More meat shield concripts, more land they can stage invasions from and a big increase in their share of global food production and other resources to use as leverage) but it seriously increases the amount of NATO border Russia is on.

We have a golden opportunity to weaken Russia, strengthen NATO, save innocent lives and build strong economic ties with a resurgent rebuilt Ukraine in the future. But people are too goddamn stupid, selfish and even outright knowingly complicity with Russia to get that America First or Insert nation first sometimes means spending resources on other nations. Its not a simple Spend money on Americans and only Americans and everything works out.

Nope. If you let everyone else crumble and get crushed their problems become yours as refugees surge in or their enemies start coming for you. Supply chains crumble and prices go up. Etc.

Nobody wants to hear it because it's a dumb fuck thing to say. You don't negotiate with someone whose objective is your extermination.

or maybe he is just saying what nobody wants to hear?

what are the chances of Ukraine taking back their territories at this point? EU support is divided, US support is unsure. Even with the support of the last two years, Ukraine seems to only ever get what they need to survive but not to win. I don't see that changing.

I get the feeling that western leaders prefer to see the conflict freeze because they don't want to deal with the consequences of one side winning it.

The only realistic ending to the conflict is a cease fire, Russia takes what they have and the rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the good guys don't always win if they stick their thumbs up their asses.

I get what he means by that statement but at the same time it would be grave injustice to the civilian victims and those who died trying to defend Ukraine if they surrendered. So now they are in a incredibly difficult position where they have to keep fighting and more people have to keep dying for the cause or do they surrender and less people die but they also dishonor those who were killed or have sacrificed themselves against the Russian invaders. IMO might as well fight to the last and not give Putin the satisfaction of a surrender.

I remember this pope starting out kinda strong and thinking he would be good for the future. Turns out hes still terrible but hides it sometimes.

I remember this pope starting out kinda strong and thinking he would be good for the future. Turns out hes still terrible but hides it sometimes.

Pope Francis been sayin some dumb shit lately :V

If Russia was invading Italy, the Pope wouldn't say this shit.

what are the chances of Ukraine taking back their territories at this point? EU support is divided, US support is unsure. Even with the support of the last two years, Ukraine seems to only ever get what they need to survive but not to win. I don't see that changing.

The only realistic ending to the conflict is a cease fire, Russia takes what they have and the rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the good guys don't always win if they stick their thumbs up their asses.

What would the slavic pope say?

Are you willing to live under whatever "peace" the Russians force on Ukraine @ALIEN_Work2Hop ?

I get what he means by that statement but at the same time it would be grave injustice to the civilian victims and those who died trying to defend Ukraine if they surrendered. So now they are in a incredibly difficult position where they have to keep fighting and more people have to keep dying for the cause or do they surrender and less people die but they also dishonor those who were killed or have sacrificed themselves against the Russian invaders. IMO might as well fight to the last and not give Putin the satisfaction of a surrender.

I think he's being influenced by all the conservative Cardinals or whatever they are called, in Rome

That's because he leads a religion based on bronze age superstition.

The dude's kinda right tbh. Ukraine is just scraping by. It's getting pretty clear now that no other external powers are going to directly back them up and it's also getting pretty clear now that Russia isn't going to just stop.

There's not going to be less people dead if they surrender. Putin's already expressed desires of genocide and they've already been stealing citizens and sending them deep into Russian territory for who knows what.

Surrendering to Russia just gets us more Buchas, not less.

The dude's kinda right tbh. Ukraine is just scraping by. It's getting pretty clear now that no other external powers are going to directly back them up and it's also getting pretty clear now that Russia isn't going to just stop.

Depending on how long this war could go on, there could definitely be less if it ends soon than later. That was my point. Didn't feel the need to elaborate.

The dude's kinda right tbh. Ukraine is just scraping by. It's getting pretty clear now that no other external powers are going to directly back them up and it's also getting pretty clear now that Russia isn't going to just stop.

even if they signed a treaty with Russia right now that wouldn't stop Russia from trying to take more in the future

And I'm saying you and people with that attitude are nonsense, because after surrendering Russia is just going to rape and murder civilians anyways.

You didn't need to elaborate because it's dumb as shit when we already know what Russia has done to regions/towns/cities they've occupied, the citizens they've stolen and taken back to Russia, and their desire to wipe away the Ukrainian identity.

Russia and China are really fucking hoping Trump gets back into office because that gives them both the green light to size territories as without the US Nato loses a lot of it's power and Japan should especially be worried because like Russia isn't gonna stop at Ukraine China isn't gonna stop at Taiwan and knowing they have nothing to fear the US means either world war or world arms race as countries not having the fire power to even resist these two nations wouldn't dare want to go to war with either of them, and while we're talking, Israel is also hoping Trump gets back into power because unlike Biden who is nagging them Trump wouldn't give a fuck he'd give them whatever Biden's giving them and then some while also doing things like sending escapees back to that hell or straight up imprisoning them just the same.

The world is already a cruel place and right now it stands at the apex of becoming a hell world as two superpowers start gobbling up territory in an arms race against each other as a former superpower with a moron in charge enjoys his dictatorship knowing he'll at least die in comfort and happiness while everything else burns around him while his cult cheers the flames on even as it seers into their own flesh