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wackyteen
03/10/24 2:08:51 AM
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https://abc7.com/beverly-hills-5-students-expelled-ai-generated-nudes-classmates/14505082/

Five eighth-grade students have been expelled from their Beverly Hills school for their involvement in using artificial intelligence to generate nude images of classmates and sharing them with others.
School officials say they learned last month of the images, in which faces of students at Beverly Vista Middle School were superimposed on AI-generated nude bodies.
The victims are 16 eighth-grade students, the district said.
In a letter to parents, the district said it's limited in the details it can share on what disciplinary action was taken. But parents told Eyewitness News they understood that the eighth-grade students accused of sharing the photos were expelled.
"I don't think they should have done what they did," eighth-grader Riley Yousef said. "I think they deserved to get expelled."
Riley's mother Fiona Javaheri called the punishment adequate and said they need to be made an example of.
"This kind of behavior is unacceptable. I do not blame the children - they are children, this is a middle school. I don't blame them at all. I do blame, sorry to say, the parents," Javaheri said. "The children are their responsibility, and they should be aware of what their children are getting up to on their devices."
Riley said she knows everyone involved.
"It's just really uncomfortable for them. We've had a lot of presentations about it," she said. "The police came. It feels really weird and uncomfortable."
The school district said Beverly Hills police is still investigating.
"Furthermore, we recognize that kids are still learning and growing, and mistakes are part of this process," the district said in a statement. "However, accountability is essential, and appropriate measures have been taken."

Jfc.

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03/10/24 2:10:12 AM
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boxoto
03/10/24 2:11:59 AM
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it's sad to think that kids are going to start to have rules like these in their guidelines/code of conduct (I forget what you call it) because this technology isn't likely to go away

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archizzy
03/10/24 2:13:29 AM
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I do not blame the children - they are children, this is a middle school. I don't blame them at all. I do blame, sorry to say, the parents

I will always disagree with this. Hold the individuals who did it responsible.

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mybbqrules
03/10/24 2:16:42 AM
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Boy who would have thought that jumping right into the deep end of the AI pool while giving a firm middle finger to touchy subjects like "regulation" would possibly turn out this way?

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Umbreon
03/10/24 2:17:25 AM
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Yeah holy shit how do you even deal with this? I don't know how a parent responds to this or how a student who's a victim of this deals with this.

And yeah no, this ain't a "kids will be kids" thing. We knew better by the time 8th grade was coming along.

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metralo
03/10/24 2:17:38 AM
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I feel so bad for girls growing up in this shithole country.

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hockeybabe89
03/10/24 2:18:00 AM
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Fucked up, but I don't believe in expulsion for kids unless they are like a physical threat to the rest of the school. Punish them another way

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Kami_no_Kami
03/10/24 2:33:06 AM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Fucked up, but I don't believe in expulsion for kids unless they are like a physical threat to the rest of the school. Punish them another way
Its not about the perpetrators. Its so the victims dont need to be around people who violated them.
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Turbam
03/10/24 2:35:52 AM
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03/10/24 2:44:22 AM
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03/10/24 3:03:24 AM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Fucked up, but I don't believe in expulsion for kids unless they are like a physical threat to the rest of the school. Punish them another way

Kami_no_Kami posted...
Its not about the perpetrators. Its so the victims dont need to be around people who violated them.

I'm torn between these things. I suppose it's not impossible, in most cases, to go to another district.

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Mr_Karate_II
03/10/24 3:08:34 AM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Fucked up, but I don't believe in expulsion for kids unless they are like a physical threat to the rest of the school. Punish them another way
Don't defend them

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Mr_Karate_II
03/10/24 3:09:28 AM
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They should be charged with something

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03/10/24 3:10:46 AM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Fucked up, but I don't believe in expulsion for kids unless they are like a physical threat to the rest of the school. Punish them another way
I like how NZ handles this. If a student under 16 (the legal school leaving age) is expelled, the school expelling them is obliged to find a new one for them to attend, unless the parents find one first.

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NoxObscuras
03/10/24 3:11:38 AM
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archizzy posted...
I do not blame the children - they are children, this is a middle school. I don't blame them at all. I do blame, sorry to say, the parents

I will always disagree with this. Hold the individuals who did it responsible.
In this case, the kids are absolutely old enough to know better than to do this. But I disagree with absolutes like that.

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Mr_Karate_II
03/10/24 3:13:49 AM
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So why aren't they being charged with a crime?

You're going to tell me this doesn't fall under a similar law to sharing nude pictures of someone online illegally?

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03/10/24 3:17:54 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
So why aren't they being charged with a crime?

You're going to tell me this doesn't fall under a similar law to sharing nude pictures of someone online illegally?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's the combination of them having faced school disciplinary action and being 13? Dunno about there, but here pretty much nothing linked to school short of severe violence or drug dealing is gonna get charges against someone that age if the school has dealt with it, unless it's from the students towards the upper end of school age (and often not even then).

Though IMO a talking to from actual cops wouldn't at all be a bad idea.

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boxoto
03/10/24 3:20:53 AM
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I feel like this can be a nuanced issue, when it comes to kids.

like, it's wrong, but they might not know how much of a violation of privacy it can be because the images "aren't real". plus, they grew up in this digital space, which might make them feel like it's not affecting anyone.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be disciplined, or that they should get away with it because "they're just kids", but there are some things they're still learning that we might take for granted as adults.

I do agree that they should be removed from the victims, by maybe transferring, but they should also have to take some kind of sensitivity training/workshop. I actually think a course like that should be taught so people won't be able to get off on ignorance in the future.

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party_animal07
03/10/24 3:22:19 AM
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Not exactly surprising. It was only a matter of time until this happened.

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03/10/24 3:23:52 AM
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boxoto posted...
I feel like this can be a nuanced issue, when it comes to kids.

like, it's wrong, but they might not know how much of a violation of privacy it can be because the images "aren't real". plus, they grew up in this digital space, which might make them feel like it's not affecting anyone.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be disciplined, or that they should get away with it because "they're just kids", but there are some things they're still learning that we might take for granted as adults.

I do agree that they should be removed from the victims, by maybe transferring, but they should also have to take some kind of sensitivity training/workshop. I actually think a course like that should be taught so people won't be able to get off on ignorance in the future.
What if we (as in society as a whole) were simply more open to having these discussions with the younger generation - and to them having it with each other - instead of expecting them to magically know it when they hit the relevant age?

If you just make it another class, you will get people who think "this is just another one of those silly teacher/parent rules to keep us away from adult stuff". If it's a normalized conversation, they get to hear about the actual real world situation, in a context they can see is actually real.

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boxoto
03/10/24 3:32:27 AM
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true, but unfortunately, we also have adults doing stuff like this, who either don't see anything wrong with it or don't care.

at least, with a class, you might be able to reach more young people.

even if you don't appeal to their empathy, you can at least have them know what's to come if they create images/videos like this.

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Full_Pokedex
03/10/24 3:33:17 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
So why aren't they being charged with a crime?

You're going to tell me this doesn't fall under a similar law to sharing nude pictures of someone online illegally?
Pretty sure this is also legally child porn since the girls are younger the 18.

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03/10/24 3:35:26 AM
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boxoto posted...
true, but unfortunately, we also have adults doing stuff like this, who either don't see anything wrong with it or don't care.

at least, with a class, you might be able to reach more young people.

even if you don't appeal to their empathy, you can at least have them know what's to come if they create images/videos like this.
Yeah, that's a fair point. Perhaps both approaches in tandem is the way to go. But I do think it's important to have an approach that focuses on how "real" people feel about it, not just on "these are the rules and here's an abstract, not connected to actual people, explanation as to why it's bad".

By "real" people I mean in the sense of, people that the potentially-would-be perpertrators actually know and can relate to, and see as real people rather than just some distant celebrity or spokesperson or an imaginary character.

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boxoto
03/10/24 3:40:28 AM
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yea, I was just spit balling with the class thing.

my main thing is just that idk if punishing people who might not exactly know why they're being punished might not help with the issue, and we might need something more proactive.

I'm not a child psychologist or teacher, though, so idk.

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reincarnator07
03/10/24 5:18:52 AM
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Problem with homeschooling is you need the capability, time and resources to teach them. Many parents don't have even one of those.

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maxpkmf
03/10/24 5:24:48 AM
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Typical cali behavior

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Jiek_Fafn
03/10/24 5:28:41 AM
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boxoto posted...
it's sad to think that kids are going to start to have rules like these in their guidelines/code of conduct (I forget what you call it) because this technology isn't likely to go away
I'm pretty sure it's not any different than the rules are for making similar photoshop things and passing them around or even just drawing it. This type of thing is already covered. It's unequivocally not okay.

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Funkydog
03/10/24 5:31:07 AM
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Good. 100% deserved.

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DuneMan
03/10/24 5:38:37 AM
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wackyteen posted...
faces . . . were superimposed
This is a key detail being overlooked by people asking for them to be charged with sex crimes. Sure, it's more high tech than slapping a photo over a dirty magazine or whatever, but you're really going to call for 12 or 13 year olds to have criminal records for that?

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03/10/24 5:43:33 AM
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reincarnator07 posted...
Problem with homeschooling is you need the capability, time and resources to teach them. Many parents don't have even one of those.
Not to mention, being isolated like that could very well make them end up worse. They're kids who majorly fucked up, not lifelong sex offenders with no hope of rehabilitation.

If they were like, even 16, 17, I'd think a bit differently but at 13...

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ai123
03/10/24 5:49:36 AM
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Really difficult case, with a lot of things to balance.

The victims need to be protected. As much as possible needs to be done to make sure this does not follow them throughout their school life and beyond.

Kids need to know that this kind of thing is an offence with serious consequences. Not a joke, or 'kids will be kids' fun.

An 8th grader needs to have the opportunity to learn a lesson and come back from this.

How you achieve those aims, I'm not even sure. That's the order I would prioritize them.

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Mr_Karate_II
03/10/24 5:50:47 AM
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DuneMan posted...
This is a key detail being overlooked by people asking for them to be charged with sex crimes. Sure, it's more high tech than slapping a photo over a dirty magazine or whatever, but you're really going to call for 12 or 13 year olds to have criminal records for that?
They should be charged with something, getting a slap on the wrist isn't going to mean a damn thing

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03/10/24 6:34:19 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
They should be charged with something, getting a slap on the wrist isn't going to mean a damn thing
If they were adults (or even just a bit closer to it) or repeat offenders I'd agree with you, but they're neither of those.

Again, to be clear, I'm not saying they shouldn't get in trouble. But charges, no. If they do it again, at that point, yes; but this really is a case where rehabilitation should be the goal.

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Wandering__Hero
03/10/24 6:49:34 AM
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Tbh I wonder if expulson is too much, i'd have gone with 1 or 2 months of detention. BUt i can't feel too bad for them. They were probably shits even before this

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03/10/24 6:51:05 AM
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Wandering__Hero posted...
Tbh I wonder if expulson is too much, i'd have gone with 1 or 2 months of detention. BUt i can't feel too bad for them. They were probably shits even before this
As someone else said, it's more so the victims don't have to see them.

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tri-sapphire
03/10/24 6:53:27 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
They should be charged with something, getting a slap on the wrist isn't going to mean a damn thing
Neither is charging them with a crime. You don't see people being hunted down over all the other deepfake porn being made do you?

mybbqrules posted... Boy who would have thought that jumping right into the deep end of the AI pool while giving a firm middle finger to touchy subjects like "regulation" would possibly turn out this way?
This is the root of the problem. And it's a can of worms that would be extremely hard to close at this point without some sort of nuclear legislation in multiple countries.

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TyVulpine
03/10/24 6:55:10 AM
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archizzy posted...
I do not blame the children - they are children, this is a middle school. I don't blame them at all. I do blame, sorry to say, the parents

I will always disagree with this. Hold the individuals who did it responsible.
Agreed, they're old enough to know right from wrong.

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IqarP15
03/10/24 7:49:59 AM
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Guess drawing penis's on playgrounds and walls was getting boring.

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Soliloquy_Rhap
03/10/24 7:55:49 AM
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DuneMan posted...
This is a key detail being overlooked by people asking for them to be charged with sex crimes. Sure, it's more high tech than slapping a photo over a dirty magazine or whatever, but you're really going to call for 12 or 13 year olds to have criminal records for that?
tri-sapphire posted...
Neither is charging them with a crime. You don't see people being hunted down over all the other deepfake porn being made do you?

This is the root of the problem. And it's a can of worms that would be extremely hard to close at this point without some sort of nuclear legislation in multiple countries.


AI laws are currently in its infancy so the kids are lucky in that regard but there's already instances of people getting charged for creating child porn over this.

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03/10/24 8:15:45 AM
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Prison

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Alucard188
03/10/24 8:25:16 AM
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They should really be charged for dissemination of child pornography. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not. This shit is not okay.

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Funkydog
03/10/24 8:58:31 AM
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DuneMan posted...
This is a key detail being overlooked by people asking for them to be charged with sex crimes. Sure, it's more high tech than slapping a photo over a dirty magazine or whatever, but you're really going to call for 12 or 13 year olds to have criminal records for that?
Yes I am. It's fucking abhorrent and shows a genuine evil and disregard for women.

Fuck 'em.

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CADE_FOSTER
03/10/24 9:04:44 AM
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Alucard188 posted...
They should really be charged for dissemination of child pornography. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not. This shit is not okay.

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Ricemills
03/10/24 9:07:13 AM
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I think the main problem is they generate the nudes of their classmates.
8 graders classmates.


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wackyteen
03/10/24 9:09:31 AM
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Funkydog posted...
Yes I am. It's fucking abhorrent and shows a genuine evil and disregard for women.

Fuck 'em.

These are still kids who don't fully understand the depth of why what they did was so fucked up. It's hard to explain it to them in a manner that will convey the severity. However attempts have to be made to appeal to their empathy and sympathy. If you just punish them and fuck their lives without any real attempt at having them understand why, they're just going to either learn nothing or worse they will blame their victims because "Well it wasn't even them" and they go through life actually having a (justified to them) reason to hate women.

Mishandling this situation is how you get them to go out and abuse women.

It is very possible that they did this as a 'joke' without any real malintent. They are still just kids that are being absolutely rocked with hormones. While most kids are content with looking at adult content or, at worst, spying on nude/changing individuals (Still fucked up, mind you), this is still a situation in that same vein. They are just trying to see nude women because that's what every boy kid desires, mostly due to their uncontrolled, raging hormones.

I'm not saying they don't deserve the suspension. Or that they deserve no punishment. I'm just saying that if you don't handle this correctly, you do more damage overall. The kids need to walk away both: feeling that they were understood and understanding why what they did was not just a "victimless crime".

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Tora_Sami
03/10/24 9:21:16 AM
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Soliloquy_Rhap posted...
AI laws are currently in its infancy so the kids are lucky in that regard but there's already instances of people getting charged for creating child porn over this.

https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-religion-teacher-child-porn-yearbook-photos-fautz/46628488#

Of course it's by the biggest child pedo organization.

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