Current Events > Democracy might come to an end because some dudes can't get p****

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pezzicle posted...

Money absolutely plays a factor, although without more robust assessment, hard to say exactly

but about 30% of men who make less then 10k a year aren't having sex
Men who spend over 15 hours a week online recreationally are also not having sex (about 20%)

it is very likely that part of this is because heterosexual females have raised their standards for what they want from a partner and are behaving as such. (some) men can't recognize that this is a them issue, in the sense that they should be making efforts to get up to the new standard. Instead they are moaning about it because they think that women owe them sex

That too.

And that is not a massive societal problem the previous user acts like it is. Standards will increase as standards of living increase, as basic levels for needs to be met increase, and if one part of a social equation is not meeting that standard the standards are not the problem. Now could the standards be exasperated by the decision to be purely capitalistically inclined, yes.

Well my mom who's never voted Democrat her entire life told me earlier she's planning on doing so for the first time in November so that gave me a little hope.

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The funny thing is is that not everyone even has equal rights TODAY. And what equalities exist are actively being targeted.

Crimsoness posted...

Well my mom who's never voted Democrat her entire life told me earlier she's planning on doing so for the first time in November so that gave me a little hope.

Is she hot

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Well it could be nice if some was for me. I just need one, just gimme a chance ladies

And if you stay in the ditch and complain about the people who didn't:
That's a you problem not the problem of anybody not in the ditch with you

Tbh I'm in that ditch too but I don't complain this much about it. There's some interesting stuff down here.

BloodMoon7 posted...

Tbh I'm in that ditch too but I don't complain this much about it. There's some interesting stuff down here.

So am I.

I just have no desire for sex or a relationship so the rising "difficulty" of getting a date doesn't matter to me. Even if it did, I'm fully aware that it would be absolutely pants on head to expect the standards of others to remain static and act like they are the problem for not coming down into the ditch with me when I don't meet those standards instead of putting effort into climbing out of the ditch.

DarthCommodus posted...

I'm not an American so I'm a little confused here - you're saying that American democracy is in trouble because men can't find a girlfriend? How does that work?

Young men that are frustrated in life, especially sexually frustrated, are the natural recruiting pool for fascism.

The Gamergate -> Nazi-curious -> Nazi pipeline is a perfect example of how this can work out.

That said, there are other important factors in Trumpism, so it can't all be reduced to the topic title.

GranAures posted...

So am I.

I just have no desire for sex or a relationship so the rising "difficulty" of getting a date doesn't matter to me. Even if it did, I'm fully aware that it would be absolutely pants on head to expect the standards of others to remain static and act like they are the problem when I don't meet those standards.

Every day I wake up horny, it's like I'm a chained beast roaring for release. But I also wake up in bed and don't wanna get up and leave the house so I know it's my own fault. Also I'm incredibly ugly and boring and 5'4 and small dick and poor and ugly and ugly again

Oh, that last bit was less to you and more towards Mr. "Everyone else is being elevated."

BoomerKuwanger posted...

Ironically a lot of the "social conditioning" that makes men unattractive is being done by other men claiming to know how to get you laid. Most women would rather date a guy who is funny/charming than jacked/rich. Women might like a guy who is direct/assertive, but not dudes who approach them like some kind of predator. And lastly, women do not care about a guy's body count, it's funny how men obsess over this metric that's just some kind of contest with other men.

That's what's scary about all these right wing and right wing adjacent movements though. They tell you they have the fix, when in reality they sabotage you even further, but that just makes people dig in further with blaming their chosen bogeyman. It's hard to get people out of a mindset where they're looking for someone aside from themselves to blame.

Its kind of like dating apps in a way. They promise to get you a match but um

There's a financial incentive to keep you single, lonely, and miserable.

pezzicle posted...

Instead they are moaning about it because they think that women owe them sex

It's interesting that it's always framed this way and never, ever "women think men owe them (XYZ)"
Why is it just a given that men are supposed to meet women at wherever level they expect you to meet them at? Neither side owes the other anything but men are the ones who are supposed to completely revolutionize their lives just to get laid, it's hilarious where and to whom accountability gets attributed

People getting pointlessly aggressive when there's an easy semantic argument against their complaints.

GranAures posted...

So not even equal rights in the immediate implied topic of women having equal rights? Almost like he lied in an attempt purely to move the goalposts? I am shocked.

I lied about nothing. I'm defining equal rights as the absence of laws directly targeted at specific groups. The civil rights acts of the mid-1900s were intended to outlaw these.

The only literal case of inequal rights I can recall remaining is men having to register for the draft while women do not.

Any current US law limiting reproductive rights applies equally to everyone. Women, trans men, non-binary people, etc. If I could give birth I would be restricted by the same laws, I just can't. Doctors are penalized by these laws regardless of gender. And prior laws against same sex marriage applied equally regardless of sexual orientation, whether you were gay or straight as a whistle you still faced the same restriction on marrying the same sex.

These laws were/are terrible but they do not fall into the same category as direct group discrimination.

Asherlee10 posted...

Companies had no legal obligation to provide women with maternity leave until the 1990s

If the same applied to dads it's not an example of an inequal law. It's obviously especially problematic for women, due to the burden of pregnancy, but technically nobody was guaranteed the leave.

But if it did specifically say women only couldn't get paternal leave then it's a valid example.

Asherlee10 posted...

In some states women could not accuse their husband of rape until the 1990s

I'm nigh certain men couldn't accuse their wives of such either. Again, obviously a law with a disproportionately negative effect on women, but not inequal.

Asherlee10 posted...

Women couldn't get a credit card until the late 1970s, I don't think

Good example. Hence why I made careful to go for the 80s.

Asherlee10 posted...

Into the 1980s there were still some degrees that women couldn't obtain one of those ironically being Women's Studies

I wasn't aware of that. But ignorance of something is not the same as "lying" like the dude attacking me unprovoked said.

At the end of the day, some groups deserve adjustments to previous laws due to the unique struggles they face or needs they have. That's the thought process behind affirmative action, etc. I support these endeavors. But the absence of them is not "inequality" in the same sense as women specifically not being allowed to work/vote/own property/etc. by sexist laws or minorities specifically not being considered full people by racist laws.

SecretBase posted...

Successfully dating.

Economic and cultural factors.

Tougher economy, rising education standards, more shallow dating venues (apps), social conditioning that increasingly instills personality traits into men that are not broadly sexually attractive to women, etc.

It's quite the issue in a world where equality is normalized for many people to not actually want an equal.

If it's women who changed it's a bit inaccurate to say the men "fell". In many cases they're doing what they always did and it's just not good enough now. If someone gets pulled out of a ditch while I stay there I didn't "fall", they were just elevated.

the f that mean

BoomerKuwanger posted...

Ironically a lot of the "social conditioning" that makes men unattractive is being done by other men claiming to know how to get you laid. Most women would rather date a guy who is funny/charming than jacked/rich. Women might like a guy who is direct/assertive, but not dudes who approach them like some kind of predator. And lastly, women do not care about a guy's body count, it's funny how men obsess over this metric that's just some kind of contest with other men.

That's what's scary about all these right wing and right wing adjacent movements though. They tell you they have the fix, when in reality they sabotage you even further, but that just makes people dig in further with blaming their chosen bogeyman. It's hard to get people out of a mindset where they're looking for someone aside from themselves to blame.

its because they are snake oil salesmen. They want your money. End of story.

SecretBase posted...

I'm defining equal rights as the absence of laws directly targeted at specific groups. The civil rights acts of the mid-1900s were intended to outlaw these.

And prior laws against same sex marriage applied equally regardless of sexual orientation, whether you were gay or straight as a whistle you still faced the same restriction on marrying the same sex.

In other words, your definition is intentionally ignoring any and all content in favor of semantics.

"Stop and Frisk" isn't specifically about Black people but by sheer coincidence it's used to go after them at a disproportionate rate.

But the true confirmation that you're not a serious user is insisting that gay people had "equal rights" because straight people ALSO couldn't marry someone of the same sex, especially when that is specifically targeting those who aren't heterosexual.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

It's interesting that it's always framed this way and never, ever "women think men owe them (XYZ)"
Why is it just a given that men are supposed to meet women at wherever level they expect you to meet them at? Neither side owes the other anything but men are the ones who are supposed to completely revolutionize their lives just to get laid, it's hilarious where and to whom accountability gets attributed

thats not true in any way at all

you need to meet the standards of your partner. My wife absolutely needs to meet what standards I have, just as I have to meet hers. Those standards can be different from each other, change, etc, but they need to be met. And if they arent met, communication is key in order to discuss what is happening and why those standards arent being met.

you say this like men dont have standards in any way and that sexual activity and relationships arent an equal partnership among those consenting to it.

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Lol? No we don't.

pezzicle posted...

thats not true in any way at all

you need to meet the standards of your partner. My wife absolutely needs to meet what standards I have, just as I have to meet hers. Those standards can be different from each other, change, etc, but they need to be met. And if they arent met, communication is key in order to discuss what is happening and why those standards arent being met.

You missed the point completely. I was responding to the tired strawman that men think women "owe" them sex. It's not any more true to say that than it is to say that men "owe" women a particular lifestyle or money or whatever. People seem to like framing it as if we do though.

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"But the laws didn't specifically say they were targeted against certain groups" is also the defense of voter ID laws and we all see the precision at which they target which IDs are acceptable and which aren't and know the intended purpose of such laws. Them accidentally catching a few others is just a useful smokescreen of plausible deniability.

Or "I didn't say any slurs" all while openly defending very specifically motivated laws that seemingly always disproportionately effect certain groups.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Lol? No we don't.

You don't have to, but don't be surprised if it's harder to get a date if you don't.

Umbreon posted...

You don't have to, but don't be surprised if it's harder to get a date if you don't.

How does one adapt exactly? Asking for a friend.

Umbreon posted...

You don't have to, but don't be surprised if it's harder to get a date if you don't.

Getting a date is harder for anyone who's not in the millionaire/billionaire class than for those who are, as well. What you're saying is common sense. That user was phrasing it as if we must be forced to comply with the new way of the world or something, it's not true at all. Many men are content to check out.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

It's interesting that it's always framed this way and never, ever "women think men owe them (XYZ)"
Why is it just a given that men are supposed to meet women at wherever level they expect you to meet them at? Neither side owes the other anything but men are the ones who are supposed to completely revolutionize their lives just to get laid, it's hilarious where and to whom accountability gets attributed

Because most women aren't going around complaining that "I can't get laid and it's the male's fault" the way these bitter guys are. Men don't owe women anything either, but that kind of entitlement is overwhelming coming from men. That's why the advice is usually aimed towards men

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Lol? No we don't.

Yes we do. Lots of conservative men complain about how it "used to be better" instead of adapting to the fact that women have autonomy now. They aren't just baby machines that have no choice but to stay married to a man, no matter how he treats her. That's what men need to adapt to, to treat women like human beings instead of a man's property.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

You missed the point completely. I was responding to the tired strawman that men think women "owe" them sex. It's not any more true to say that than it is to say that men "owe" women a particular lifestyle or money or whatever. People seem to like framing it as if we do though.

that is in no way shape or form the same thing

men being owed sex is about men feeling entitled to receiving sex from women just for existing.

women being owed a particular lifestyle is a standard they have set for who it is that they would like to date and grow into a relationship with. Most women who have these standards do not think they should get this just because they exist. They want to participate and exist within this lifestyle by working, raising a family, taking care of a home. They are actively involved in creating that lifestyle.

Lol? No we don't.

"We don't have to adapt, you need to come back down to us!"
Umbreon posted...

But the true confirmation that you're not a serious user is insisting that gay people had "equal rights" because straight people ALSO couldn't marry someone of the same sex, especially when that is specifically targeting those who aren't heterosexual.

But it didn't say it was against being homosexual specifically! Maybe he wants to tell us sodomy laws weren't discriminatory either.

BloodMoon7 posted...

How does one adapt exactly? Asking for a friend.

*Shrug*

Dude I just roll the dice and go for it. I'm not super knowledgeable on social norms outside of "Don't be a dick".

Umbreon posted...

*Shrug*

Dude I just roll the dice and go for it. I'm not super knowledgeable on social norms outside of "Don't be a dick".

You can't tell someone to do something if you don't know how to do it yourself. That's just common sense.

BloodMoon7 posted...

How does one adapt exactly? Asking for a friend.

Well, basic sense would say if one approach is not working then to stop using that approach.

So, in the very thread specific case, if one knows the bar of what the normal standard is is raising then they should rise to meet that raising standard, not claim they don't need to.

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Stagnate was my nickname in middle school

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The funny thing is that a lot of thes people wouldn't even qualify even way back in the day. Your average incel wouldn't suddenly get a woman if he was in the 1920s instead.

How to get a partner?

go to fucking therapy

GranAures posted...

Well, basic sense would say if one approach is not working then to stop using that approach.

So, in the very thread specific case, if one knows the bar of what the normal standard is is raising then they should rise to meet that raising standard, not claim they don't need to.

All I do is try to meet standards fam. It just ain't working for me, hence my inquiry. Like what if I'm super ugly? Plastic surgery or nah?

NoxObscuras posted...

Because most women aren't going around complaining that "I can't get laid and it's the male's fault"

You had to make this false equivalency to even dispute what I said. Everyone knows women can get laid, that's not what they're after. They're usually after relationships.

No, the female equivalent is "Where have all the good men gone?". Women complain all the time about how there aren't good enough men. Far more often than men complain about it being too hard to get laid. You know this to be true, because: most men's pride prevents them from whining about that because it would make them look like losers, so I know damn well that's nothing more than a strawman. I've never heard it IRL, or anywhere but 4chan really. Women shit on ordinary men for being sub-par everywhere and constantly.

pezzicle posted...

How to get a partner?

go to fucking therapy

Way ahead of you

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

You had to make this false equivalency to even dispute what I said. Everyone knows women can get laid, that's not what they're after. They're usually after relationships.

No, the female equivalent is "Where have all the good men gone?".

That song slaps tbh