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wackyteen
02/25/24 7:10:29 AM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-parents-dinks-childfree-boomers-economy-outlook-population-growth-birthrate-2024-2

  • America's shrinking birthrate is a problem.
  • Millennials not having enough babies could crimp growth by 1-2 percentage points a year.
  • At the current trajectory, that's set to weigh on the economy for the next decade or more.
Millennials aren't having as many kids as previous generations, and that fact could end up dragging down economic growth for more than a decade.
That may not faze some child-free millennials, who are using the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs couples who live on double-income, with no kids.
But that kind of spending won't be enough to offset the drag of a shrinking population on the economy over the long run, especially considering that the US birthrate has collapsed over the last half-century, economists told Business Insider.
In 2022, there were just 11.1 births per every 1,000 people, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That's a 53% plunge from what was recorded in 1960, when there were 23.7 births per every 1,000 people.
The shortage of babies has been particularly acute since the pandemic, according to James Pomeroy, HSBC's global economist. The national birthrate is now dropping around 2% each year, he estimated and it didn't pick up in 2023, like experts originally expected.
That puts the US at risk of seeing "extremely low" population levels over the long run, not unlike countries like China, where the population decline is so dire the government is doling out cash to convince people to have more kids.
"What you're talking about is these birth rates dropping very, very low levels, which over the course of time has huge impacts on the economy," Pomeroy said. "And then by the time you get to 2030, you're talking about a birth rate that is wildly different to what was in the assumptions made at the beginning of the decade."
The impact of millennials having fewer kids will likely be worse than the impact of aging boomers and the most dire consequences could come 10-15 years from now, Pomeroy estimated. He pointed to Japan, which had a similar birth rate in the 1990s as the US does now. Its economy saw the "worst bit" of growth around a decade later, when its workforce dwindled and the nation posted several years of negative GDP growth.
The shrinking birthrate in the US could drag down GDP by 1-2 percentage points each year, according to Todd Buchholz, a former White House economist. Over several decades, that's the equivalent of slashing the US growth rate by a third, he estimated, or wiping out the estimated productivity increases stemming from artificial intelligence. In the worst-case scenario, GDP growth could nosedive 3-4 percentage points, Pomeroy warned.
Fewer Americans being born means fewer workers in the economy.
"You find it more difficult to find somebody to cut your hair, do your nails work on, set up the x-ray machines at the hospital," he said. "So the sheer decrease in the number of people becomes a problem."
Declining fertility rates also mean it will be harder to bear the brunt of Social Security payments, particularly as boomers age into retirement. Baby boomers are estimated to exert "peak burden" on the US economy in 2029, which is when all boomers will be 65 or older.
"We will have a great deal of trouble figuring out how to pay the retirements. The promised retirement payments for senior citizens Medicare and Social Security are going to go in vast deficits," Buchholz added.
If the birthrate doesn't increase soon, he estimates there will eventually be two full-time workers for every retiree, down from around 20 workers per retiree in the 1930s.
"That is simply not sustainable," he said.
Downward spiral
It's hard to convince people to have kids.
Once the birthrate in an advanced economy starts to decline, it generally continues to do so, Pomeroy and Buchholz both noted. That's been the case for China and Russia, two countries that dealt with low birth rates for decades, and are now hobbled by demographic issues.
Government policies that support those who have children could be one way to boost the birthrate or at least, prevent it from falling further. Boosting the supply of available homes, which can push down sky-high housing costs, will also help, Pomeroy said, though that will likely take decades to build enough inventory to meet demand.
The most important thing to encourage people to have more kids might be a cultural shift in how we talk about children, Buchholz says. He pointed to the chatter among millennials about how much money you can save by going child-free around half a million dollars, according to one CNBC analysis.
In the US, mounting costs for everything from shelter to healthcare to education weigh on younger generations' decision to have kids. On top of that, existential uncertainties stemming from things like the climate crisis to technological upheavals like artificial intelligence don't make the decision any easier.
"I think it's a net negative to have fewer children when the choice is between having a child and investing in a new Sony PlayStation," Buchholz told Business Insider. "Now it seems crude, vulgar, and inhumane to admit that people do, but people will openly say, having a child is expensive."
Many DINK couples say they don't regret their lifestyle choices much to the vexation of their critics but that blas attitude could be the very problem itself, Buchholz speculated.
"'At the end of my life, I was surrounded by a machine tethering me to oxygen, a nurse, and a lawyer.' That seems like a very dreary way to end life," Buchholz said. "And so I think the narrative has to change. So it's not about the fear of missing out and only being able to live once. People who have children feel that they live more than once."

It's almost like 2 people having to work full time+ (a full time job and a part time or side gig) to afford mother fucking rent and food for just themselves is not conducive to a fucking rising birth rate.

Millenials aren't to blame. Gen X isn't to blame. Gen Z won't be to blame either. Endless fucking greed on the part of the Corpos of the world is to blame.

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reincarnator07
02/25/24 7:16:24 AM
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Bit hard to justify children when we can't even afford to live without em.

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NeonOPPAl
02/25/24 7:17:19 AM
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Kids suck tho

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Raikuro
02/25/24 7:17:53 AM
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Good, "growth" needs to go way down to undo the baby boom damage
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ai123
02/25/24 7:18:52 AM
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I mean, you could allow more immigration.

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Tyranthraxus
02/25/24 7:18:56 AM
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Wow that sounds completely like someone else's problem.

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rexcrk
02/25/24 7:25:41 AM
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Hey, the assholes running this country are more than welcome to start paying me a decent salary. Once Ive got a big chunk of change in savings and have an actual house thats mostly paid off, then Ill think about having kids.

I aint raising a family in squalor.


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Rika_Furude
02/25/24 7:34:54 AM
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Why would I care about an economy when the economy doesnt care about me?
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TheSuperSilver
02/25/24 7:36:29 AM
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I'm a millennial, I have one daughter, and there's no way in hell I'm having the 4 kids my parents had. Millennials aren't having very many kids if at all because they are expensive.

When it comes to things like buying a home and growing families, the current economic situation presents quite a headwind in that regard.

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Aloc
02/25/24 7:37:32 AM
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ai123 posted...
I mean, you could allow more immigration.
And that just makes the problem worse in other countries.

There's a reason democrats aren't fighting as hard for abortion as they should.

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LinkDaLunatic
02/25/24 7:37:51 AM
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reincarnator07 posted...
Bit hard to justify children when we can't even afford to live without em.
yep, this. they're suffocating the population with price gouging, lack of affordable housing, etc. and now we're upset because people don't want to bring up families when they can barely take care of themselves? come on fellas

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Southernfatman
02/25/24 7:39:35 AM
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Maybe the powers that be shouldn't have fucked our whole generation and those that will follow us due to avarice and selfishness. I guess we're just supposed to work harder though. There's 24 hours in day which means we could work 4 8 hour shifts!

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Villain_S_Fiend
02/25/24 7:40:30 AM
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"Business Insider" suggests workers need to pop out more workers. Surprise, surprise.

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uwnim
02/25/24 7:43:54 AM
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ai123 posted...
I mean, you could allow more immigration.
That is the solution, yes.

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chrono625
02/25/24 7:52:32 AM
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Current economic issues make it a horrible
idea to have kids, my wife and I do well enough and its still a drain on our finances with 2 kids.

i completely understand why younger generations arent pumping out any kids. Its a huge investment and money sink for no return.

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JDGFootman1234
02/25/24 7:52:55 AM
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That may not faze some child-free millennials, who are using the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs

Fuck this guy

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JuanCarlos1
02/25/24 8:15:44 AM
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I have one kid. Would like to have one more, but not with this economy.

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Chadawah
02/25/24 8:19:13 AM
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We're too poor for a kid, or else we would. Probably only two at most though.

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Euripides
02/25/24 8:19:58 AM
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Are millenials just now waking up to the fact that our entire society is predicated on pumping our workers for the ruling class?

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GunmaN1905
02/25/24 8:21:09 AM
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Unlucky, really.
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LinkPizza
02/25/24 8:21:24 AM
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I am a millennial and dont have kids. Nor do I plan of having them. I dont mind them, though. But my BF does has 2, so

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Chadawah
02/25/24 8:21:34 AM
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Maybe that means I'll still have a job at 80 since I won't be able to retire and they have no one to replace me with.

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TimeForAction
02/25/24 8:21:39 AM
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Same principle as marriage, a house and other major life decisions. If you wait until you can afford it you never will.
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Raikuro
02/25/24 8:25:39 AM
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Euripides posted...
Are millenials just now waking up to the fact that our entire society is predicated on pumping our workers for the ruling class?
Considering many are going 15-20 years not falling into the trap, clearly not some new revelation.
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R_Jackal
02/25/24 8:27:01 AM
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If I could comfortably afford to have kids I absolutely would, shame the economy can't really do that for me.
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GenXer
02/25/24 8:31:30 AM
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I'm a Gen X that never had kids or got married. I hate capitalism and greed, so why am I suppose to care about this shit? Boo hoo, the rich can't get as rich anymore so I'm suppose to cry for them? It's not like the general population isn't going to get fucked over one way or the another in this horrible system.

I'm just pleasantly surprised that so many millennials are smarter than I thought. Good for them.
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Mearcstapa
02/25/24 8:39:13 AM
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Good.

fuck economic growth.

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Funkydog
02/25/24 8:41:14 AM
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I cant afford to live a single life let alone a child and family.

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TheMaddenDude
02/25/24 8:41:18 AM
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When we got married we talked about having 3-4 kids. Now we're done after 2. It's partly because her pregnancies were complicated with gestational diabetes, hyperemesis, and bad GERD, and a DVT on the second one. And now as I work full time and she works part time, childcare is a huge barrier to having a third. It would put too much burden on our parents to help out.
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chrono625
02/25/24 8:41:59 AM
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I hope the powers that be understand that theyre only destroying their economy by taking so much of the wealth and stagnating wages while increasing costs of every day items.

so if newer generations arent having kids and it results in change? Great, fuck em.


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Sansoldier
02/25/24 8:43:41 AM
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The steps for me are
  1. Get a decent job
  2. Get a house
  3. Plan for kids, maybe have 1
  4. Pay house mostly off
  5. Have kids as needed
I'm only at step 1. Kids aren't much on my radar.

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Jiek_Fafn
02/25/24 8:46:26 AM
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the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs

Wtf world is this happening in? Most couples I know are using that money for basic necessities like food and never being able to own their own home


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IceCreamOnStero
02/25/24 8:48:00 AM
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I care about my money and my free time far more than I do evonomic growth and kids

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Torgo
02/25/24 8:50:21 AM
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Capitalists like to frame the entirely of our economic system on ensuring their projected profit growth.

These numbers are meaningless in a more rational system where economies are grown and managed based on civic need and the economic health of the working class and not just a subset of the rich.

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Torgo
02/25/24 8:51:43 AM
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"You make more kids and flood the marketplace with cheap labor or we're all doomed!"

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Chadawah
02/25/24 8:52:12 AM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs

Wtf world is this happening in? Most couples I know are using that money for basic necessities like food and never being able to own their own home
It's just a way to not put blame on our corporate overlords.

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lilORANG
02/25/24 8:53:07 AM
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Seems like AI will replace a lot of shit by then and we won't need as many people anyways

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TimeForAction
02/25/24 8:56:18 AM
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Sansoldier posted...
The steps for me are
1. Get a decent job
2. Get a house
3. Plan for kids, maybe have 1
4. Pay house mostly off
5. Have kids as needed
I'm only at step 1. Kids aren't much on my radar.

well buddy youre missing a step between getting a house and having kids

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kawalimus
02/25/24 8:59:59 AM
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Why bring a kid into a dying world
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tremain07
02/25/24 9:09:53 AM
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Considering the government and the corporations have worked hand in hand in destroying nearly all incentives to have a child how dare they blame them for the low birth rate.

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2Pacavelli
02/25/24 9:11:31 AM
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reincarnator07 posted...
Bit hard to justify children when we can't even afford to live without em.

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LinkPizza
02/25/24 9:16:19 AM
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TimeForAction posted...
well buddy youre missing a step between getting a house and having kids

Tbf, they did say the steps for them

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Kaldrenthebold
02/25/24 9:19:53 AM
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I would love to have a kid as well as a house but the economy says I can't afford it.

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mercurydude
02/25/24 9:22:32 AM
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This is why repugs are in favor of putting guns to people's heads to make them have babies by force.

They sure as hell aren't going to make their donors pay a living wage, so this is their solution.

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Lobinde
02/25/24 9:26:53 AM
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After a certain point, people should stop caring about muh economic growth.

Infinite growth with finite resources is the ideology of the cancer cell.

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1337toothbrush
02/25/24 9:27:32 AM
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ai123 posted...
I mean, you could allow more immigration.
You still need a support system or else you get something like Canada. Canada is basically a pyramid scheme where they hope they can throw enough immigrants at the bottom of the pyramid to keep their shitty economy going.

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uwnim
02/25/24 9:28:53 AM
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mercurydude posted...
This is why repugs are in favor of putting guns to people's heads to make them have babies by force.

They sure as hell aren't going to make their donors pay a living wage, so this is their solution.
Republicans are anti-growth though. The hate cities, love suburban sprawl that cripples the economy. Hate immigration and also hate government spending to make having children affordable.
Against trade.

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