Current Events > Beto O'Rourke endorses "Uncommitted" in Michigan's Democratic primary.

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Dems could put Jesus Christ up as a candidate and current republicans would vote against him for being too woke

ClayGuida posted...

Forgot to switch accounts?

Huh?
ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I dont see how you type out this entire post, which clearly portrays republicans as fascist adjacent at best, and then say we dont need to vote democrat

You're argument is contradictory.

You say repubs don't care about votes, that they wanna take over the country and won't let votes stop them, but you're telling people we have to use votes to stop them.

You're saying the pressure is on Republicans to run a not fascist candidate, but why would they when a not fascists candidate is essentially a guaranteed loss unless im missing something? A large portion of their base has gone beyond any and all reason, they've tried multiple candidates who weren't quite trump, they tried a mini trump, nothing else is sticking.

My only argument has been that choosing not to vote is 100% valid and a right that needs to be protected. The notion of coerced, peer pressure voting using fear mongering isn't democratic. If the MAJORITY of people find the dem candiate not up to par, then that needs to be communicated, and the way that is communicated is with votes.

I dont think trump is going to win even in light of that, because a lot of peoples main issue with Biden is the israel stuff snd getting a candidate who is going to condemn Israel openly is a pipe dream right now. It just is, and the reason why plays into a whole lot if global politics and why they want Israel as an ally rihht now more than ever.

So if THATS the issue stopping people then I agree protests arent going to change much

Also are you SecretBase lol

What on this post made anyone think I was secret base?

mistymermaid posted...

This. The train of thought is a non starter. Dems running better candidates, whatever that means, isn't going to make republicans less fascist.

So we're just spinning the wheels til the next election cycle when it'll he the fate of the country's fall into fascism yet again?

Toonstrack posted...

Huh?

You're argument is contradictory.

You say repubs don't care about votes, that they wanna take over the country and won't let votes stop them, but you're telling people we have to use votes to stop them.

You're saying the pressure is on Republicans to run a not fascist candidate, but why would they when a not fascists candidate is essentially a guaranteed loss unless im missing something? A large portion of their base has gone beyond any and all reason, they've tried multiple candidates who weren't quite trump, they tried a mini trump, nothing else is sticking.

My only argument has been that choosing not to vote is 100% valid and a right that needs to be protected. The notion of coerced, peer pressure voting using fear mongering isn't democratic. If the MAJORITY of people find the dem candiate not up to par, then that needs to be communicated, and the way that is communicated is with votes.

I dont think trump is going to win even in light of that, because a lot of peoples main issue with Biden is the israel stuff snd getting a candidate who is going to condemn Israel openly is a pipe dream right now. It just is, and the reason why plays into a whole lot if global politics and why they want Israel as an ally rihht now more than ever.

So if THATS the issue stopping people then I agree protests arent going to change much

What on this post made anyone think I was secret base?

You responded to a post directly aimed at SecretBase as if you were answering as him.

Im still just incredibly confused on your perspective. You openly agree that republicans are fascist, yet wont vote against them. Them attempting to overthrow the government when they lose doesnt mean we should just vote them in lmao

If the options are a fascist vs someone who is not a fascist, then youre damn fucking right im going to peer pressure you if you decide you cant make a choice between those options.

Toonstrack posted...

What on this post made anyone think I was secret base?

You answered a question that was technically addressed to me, so now they're being silly about it.

Toonstrack posted...

So we're just spinning the wheels til the next election cycle when it'll he the fate of the country's fall into fascism yet again?

What exactly do you wish to accomplish by not voting? What the hell is your goal with all of this?

SecretBase posted...

You answered a question that was technically addressed to me, so now they're being silly about it.

It wasnt technically addressed to you lmao it was directly towards you and only you

Toonstrack posted...

Huh?

You're argument is contradictory.

You say repubs don't care about votes, that they wanna take over the country and won't let votes stop them, but you're telling people we have to use votes to stop them.

You're saying the pressure is on Republicans to run a not fascist candidate, but why would they when a not fascists candidate is essentially a guaranteed loss unless im missing something? A large portion of their base has gone beyond any and all reason, they've tried multiple candidates who weren't quite trump, they tried a mini trump, nothing else is sticking.

My only argument has been that choosing not to vote is 100% valid and a right that needs to be protected. The notion of coerced, peer pressure voting using fear mongering isn't democratic. If the MAJORITY of people find the dem candiate not up to par, then that needs to be communicated, and the way that is communicated is with votes.

I dont think trump is going to win even in light of that, because a lot of peoples main issue with Biden is the israel stuff snd getting a candidate who is going to condemn Israel openly is a pipe dream right now. It just is, and the reason why plays into a whole lot if global politics and why they want Israel as an ally rihht now more than ever.

So if THATS the issue stopping people then I agree protests arent going to change much

What on this post made anyone think I was secret base?

It's not fear mongering when the republican candidates actually are fascists.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

It wasnt technically addressed to you lmao it was directly towards you and only you

Public message boards don't work that way in practice though, if I wanted a question to be answered only by the specific person quoted I'd need to just PM them.

SecretBase posted...

Public message boards don't work that way in practice though, if I wanted a question to be answered only by the specific person quoted I'd need to just PM them.

In the context of the conversation, it didnt make sense for that poster to respond like that tbh.

It wasnt a general you, that was literally me specifically saying that YOU, SecretBase, based on the last post you had made, should think that voting democrat is correct.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

You responded to a post directly aimed at SecretBase as if you were answering as him.

I didnf play that close attention, I assumed it was aimed at me when I saw the parchment and just went for it lol

Im still just incredibly confused on your perspective. You openly agree that republicans are fascist, yet wont vote against them. Them attempting to overthrow the government when they lose doesnt mean we should just vote them in lmao

I say that the repubs will vote for a proto fascist before a dem. I dont think all repucs are fascist, I think if they were they wouldn't be even trying to use this election to do things.

You're equating not voting for Biden with voting Trump in. I think that's a false equivalence.

If the options are a fascist vs someone who is not a fascist, then youre damn fucking right im going to peer pressure you if you decide you cant make a choice between those options.

How do you see this changing next election cycle then?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

What exactly do you wish to accomplish by not voting?

I never declared i was or wasn't voting.

Im against not voting being treated like some unthinkable decision if someone doesn't like either candidate lol.

Again, democracy means that the peoples preference is represented. At some point that has to be acknowledged, especially if some peope have strong issues with what they are seeing in the candidates. This is supposed to have the effect of incentivizing better candidates to spring up.

Theres now an uncommitted watch party. Thats great.

Toonstrack posted...

I never declared i was or wasn't voting.

Im against not voting being treated like some unthinkable decision if someone doesn't like either candidate lol.

The tea party did not take over the Republican Party by not voting. Its a losing strategy. Vote and mold the local elections and thatll pay off in national after a few cycles. Any progressive disappointed in Biden should be working towards a progressive Congress not withholding voting. Not voting should be only for when you cannot distinguish between the two candidates.

Again, democracy means that the peoples preference is represented. At some point that has to be acknowledged, especially if some peope have strong issues with what they are seeing in the candidates. This is supposed to have the effect of incentivizing better candidates to spring up.

The people who show up to the primaries are the ones who gain influence. Thats how tea party did it. Thats how we should do it.

bfslick50 posted...

The tea party did not take over the Republican Party by not voting. Its a losing strategy. Vote and mold the local elections and thatll pay off in national after a few cycles. Any progressive disappointed in Biden should be working towards a progressive Congress not withholding voting. Not voting should be only for when you cannot distinguish between the two candidates.

The people who show up to the primaries are the ones who gain influence. Thats how tea party did it. Thats how we should do it.

You can vote for other Democrats and Progressives without voting for Biden.

Former U.S. Rep. Beto ORourke (D-Texas) expressed support Friday for a campaign asking Democratic voters unhappy with President Joe Bidens handling of the Israel-Hamas war to vote uncommitted in Michigans Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday.

Lots of uncommitted polling so far