Current Events > Does the original verses of the Bible say anything about homosexuality?

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Or was that only mentioned in newer translations of the Bible to try to push a narrative? Its hard to find the answer to this question and Ive always been curious. It that seems like it had to be mistranslations because homosexuality is everywhere including nature. Plus, God could have prevented that when making everything if he wanted to but didnt.

Im assuming people dont follow what is said in the Old Testament has Gods laws right? The Old Testament had things like killing your own son to prove you has faith in God right? Absurd shit like that?

DepreceV2 posted...

Im assuming people dont follow what is said in the Old Testament has Gods laws right? The Old Testament had things like killing your own son to prove you has faith in God right? Absurd shit like that?

The only laws they follow are either the ones that don't ask anything from them or the ones with a punishment attached.

No way to know, as the bible was re-written and re-written and re-written by hand and any one could have changed/added/deleted text at any time

There was that translation going around about how the part of the bible that everyone quotes about how God is against homosexuality, was originally about a boy (child) and not a man.

Something about a man who lies with another man shall be stoned.

So my take on it is homosexuality is ok as long as you're high lmao take that God!

DepreceV2 posted...

Im assuming people dont follow what is said in the Old Testament has Gods laws right? The Old Testament had things like killing your own son to prove you has faith in God right? Absurd shit like that?

Religious people will pick and choose what from both the new and old testaments that they want to follow. Often with no rhyme or reason for what they go with.

Yes. But in the same terms it talks about eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics. It had a lot of weird rules.

Jesus told the old testament to fuck off and said we should just focus on the golden rule. Jesus knew what's up

Didn't Jesus die for our sins?
If we don't sin, then he died for nothing!

Old testament but it was also evidently a mistranslation and was actually prohibiting child molestation.

Kai_Laguna posted...

Old testament but it was also evidently a mistranslation and was actually prohibiting child molestation.

This would make far more sense

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Jesus told the old testament to fuck off and said we should just focus on the golden rule. Jesus knew what's up

IIRC, he said follow the ten commandments but not the rest of it?

With that being said,

Kai_Laguna posted...

Old testament but it was also evidently a mistranslation and was actually prohibiting child molestation.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Jesus told the old testament to fuck off and said we should just focus on the golden rule. Jesus knew what's up

Quality post.

SiO4 posted...

Quality post.

Does anyone know an actual chapter and verse for that?

I hear it a lot but I've never actually seen the citation.

DepreceV2 posted...

Im assuming people dont follow what is said in the Old Testament has Gods laws right? The Old Testament had things like killing your own son to prove you has faith in God right? Absurd shit like that?

They only follow the ones that let them hate the people they already want to hate.

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DrizztLink posted...

Does anyone know an actual chapter and verse for that?

I hear it a lot but I've never actually seen the citation.

That doesn't really matter to me. I don't know which Psalm everything is from
It's just a common sense rule. The world would be better if people acted that way.

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

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To be fair, he strikes me as the sort who would be annoyed if someone was smoking a cigerrete right next to him too. I mean, he is a nice guy and may refrain from commenting negatively about it, but it would probably really annoy him.

Trumble posted...

IIRC, he said follow the ten commandments but not the rest of it?

Those are covered by the golden rule anyway. It's actually more expensive but much more intuitive.
DrizztLink posted...

Does anyone know an actual chapter and verse for that?

I hear it a lot but I've never actually seen the citation.

I know it's in the Mt Sinai stuff in the Gospels, which I know Matthew covers but it's in at least one more. Iirc it's actually a callback to something else that I believe is part of a book in Judaism, but Jesus spun it to be awesome instead.

The bible does condemn homosexuality multiple times, in both the old and new testaments.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality

Kai_Laguna posted...

Old testament but it was also evidently a mistranslation and was actually prohibiting child molestation.

This is a common rumor that goes around but its not really true. Its just mental gymnastics by people trying to have their cake and eat it too. (As in, trying to say you can both be gay and follow the bible.)

You can read the original Hebrew and Greek with side by side translations on various websites. Its pretty clearly against homosexuality.

Disclaimer: Im not endorsing homophobia. Just pointing out that the bible is homophobic.

However its also worth mentioning that Jesus never mentioned it. The anti-gay stuff comes from Leviticus and some of Pauls letters.

Matthew 7:12 is the Golden Rule bit.

DepreceV2 posted...

Im assuming people dont follow what is said in the Old Testament has Gods laws right? The Old Testament had things like killing your own son to prove you has faith in God right? Absurd shit like that?

are you like well versed in the bible though?

The Old Testament is basically the Jewish Torah, and it got two lines saying that a man should not lie with mankind, as with womankind, and the punishment is death.
These old rules were basically a guide of how to make your tribe grow bigger and stronger, and the logic they used was that "gays uses resources that could be used to raise children and making the tribe bigger".
The big difference is how Jews and Christians read it.
Christians saw it as "gays are bad", while Jews saw it as "anal sex is bad".
In reality, Christians killed gays because they were gays.
Jews on the other hand... first you must be seen having anal sex with a man by two witnesses. They must tell you to stop. If you respond that you have heard them and continues with your anal sex, then you could get stoned to death.
So the big question is, did Christians follow it harder because they had an agenda against homosexuals, or did they to stand out from the Jews? Or some other reason?

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Jesus told the old testament to fuck off and said we should just focus on the golden rule. Jesus knew what's up

He also said that not one letter of the old law could be erased until the end of days.

And he certainly didnt tell the old testament to fuck off. He told the religious leaders of the time to fuck off. His whole point was that they were way too focused on the ritual and ceremony of scripture and werent following the parts about helping your fellow man. And that they were judging people for not following the law when they werent following it themselves.

Smallville posted...

are you like well versed in the bible though?

Not anymore no. I was decently versed as a kid but I stopped reading the Bible when I became a Sophomore in High school.

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IIRC, it's also in some of Paul's letters in the New Testament, though much of what he says in those flies directly in the face of what Jesus in the Gospels says.

Supposedly, three different "Pauls" (not counting the character who appears in Acts of the Apostles, formerly named "Saul") were running around, using the name of the Biblical character to grant themselves "authenticity" and perceived authority in the early church (similar to the titles of the Gospels using the names of Apostles, despite being written long after they supposedly lived and died), based on scholarly analysis of writing style, contents, etc. It's even been suggested that all of the letters supposedly written by "Paul" were done so centuries after the Biblical character supposedly lived.

So it's quite possible that, even if Jesus really existed and was everything the Bible claimed that he was, he wouldn't necessarily have approved of any of these Pauls warping his teachings in ways that the Evangelical crowd would later embrace over the word of their supposed God.

DepreceV2 posted...

Not anymore no. I was decently versed as a kid but I stopped reading the Bible when I became a Sophomore in High school.

so you are not religious at all...etc...? Your family was extremely or something?

ai123 posted...

Matthew 7:12 is the Golden Rule bit.

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Thud posted...

Something about a man who lies with another man shall be stoned.

So my take on it is homosexuality is ok as long as you're high lmao take that God!

One shall not lie with another man as he would a woman

My take. It's ok to lie to women but not other men

Smallville posted...

so you are not religious at all...etc...? Your family was extremely or something?

My family is very religious and I grew up with that. I asked many questions that couldnt be answered growing up and I eventually stopped being religious. Why are you asking me all of these questions anyway?

Turbam posted...

Didn't Jesus die for our sins?
If we don't sin, then he died for nothing!

I know this is a joke post, but theres actually a part in one of Pauls letters where he specifically addresses this.

The OT also bans cross dressing.

God hated drag shows.

Hejiru posted...

He also said that not one letter of the old law could be erased until the end of days.

And he certainly didnt tell the old testament to fuck off. He told the religious leaders of the time to fuck off. His whole point was that they were way too focused on the ritual and ceremony of scripture and werent following the parts about helping your fellow man. And that they were judging people for not following the law when they werent following it themselves.

This isn't wrong. It's more that he told a lot of interpretations of the law to fuck off. Like it's cool to help people on the sabbath day because that's a good thing to do.

Hejiru posted...

His whole point was that they were way too focused on the ritual and ceremony of scripture and werent following the parts about helping your fellow man. And that they were judging people for not following the law when they werent following it themselves.

Sounds pretty fuckin' germane to the conversation, honestly.

DepreceV2 posted...

Im assuming people dont follow what is said in the Old Testament has Gods laws right?

If they're incoherent hacks, yeah. Turns out, a lot of religious people are incoherent hacks. Who'd have thunk it.

DepreceV2 posted...

Im assuming people dont follow what is said in the Old Testament has Gods laws right? The Old Testament had things like killing your own son to prove you has faith in God right? Absurd shit like that?

The wonderful thing about religion is you get to pick and choose whatever's important to you and disregard whatever's not.

People often use "if a man lies with a man they shall be stoned to death" to justify their hatred of homosexuals while still eating shellfish even though they are literally from the same "book".

Sufferedphoenix posted...

One shall not lie with another man as he would a woman

My take. It's ok to lie to women but not other men

So if I wouldn't do butt stuff with a woman, it's ok to do butt stuff with a guy.

Checkmate, God

Besides the picking and choosing stuff, claiming that opposition of LGBTQ+ rights is in the name of God can sound honorable if any doesn't put much critical thought into it.

And yeah even people on the fence on matters do take those claiming such at face value.

1. If a person isn't willing to impose every relevant scripture on themselves, doing so to another is either bitterness only or feeling above others.

Which I'm sure falls into false idols and gods territory.

2. Also not following every rule while stating it's the reason to makes laws against LGBTQ+ folks is going against the "Thou shall not lie".

3. No contradictions here, but I would argue that besides tarnishing any good will for one's religion that others might have, it's also dragging God's name through the mud.

And religion or not, I think everyone against LGBTQ+ rights know they are in the wrong or they wouldn't bow out when details of their argument are disproven or just dogging.

Keeping up a discussion and putting thought into what's being said, they obviously fear concession that they were wrong and spent too much time being wrong.

I'm of the opinion that how we live our lives in the 21st century should no longer be dictated by tribal myths and superstitions from the Bronze Age Near East.

Antiyonder posted...

Besides the picking and choosing stuff, claiming that opposition of LGBTQ+ rights is in the name of God can sound honorable if any doesn't put much critical thought into it.

And yeah even people on the fence on matters do take those claiming such at face value.

1. If a person isn't willing to impose every relevant scripture on themselves, doing so to another is either bitterness only or feeling above others.

Which I'm sure falls into false idols and gods territory.

2. Also not following every rule while stating it's the reason to makes laws against LGBTQ+ folks is going against the "Thou shall not lie".

3. No contradictions here, but I would argue that besides tarnishing any good will for one's religion that others might have, it's also dragging God's name through the mud.

And religion or not, I think everyone against LGBTQ+ rights know they are in the wrong or they wouldn't bow out when details of their argument are disproven or just dogging.

Keeping up a discussion and putting thought into what's being said, they obviously fear concession that they were wrong and spent too much time being wrong.

yeah and the abortion restriction stuff i don't get at all. Does the bible even mention abortion?

While Jesus himself said nothing about homosexuality, he did directly condemn divorce, but you've seen how much the usual suspects care about that... Kim Davis divorced three times but they still treated her like a prophet because she loved to shout her hatred of gay people from the rooftops.

At the very least, if they're such staunch legalists, they should have loathed her at least as much as they do gay people, but they couldn't care less about divorce because many of them are divorcees or adulterers or adultering divorcees themselves.

Smallville posted...

yeah and the abortion restriction stuff i don't get at all. Does the bible even mention abortion?

I can't recall and it is something I can understand being uneasy about.

Thing is though, arguments can be made that children being born to a couple not wanting them leads to neglect and/or abuse, even abandonment. But many have a notion too naive even for me that once you have your own kid, you will just gain the capability and compassion to raise them.

I even bring up from time to time another forum I was on where a guy thought adopting a kid would help him to motivate himself into living a more successful life.

And if those against anti-abortion were truly concerned about the kids? Well orphanages and foster care services would be better funded and staffed.

DrizztLink posted...

The only laws they follow are either the ones that don't ask anything from them or the ones with a punishment attached.

Only if the punishment is for others. If it would affect them, it doesn't count.

Smallville posted...

yeah and the abortion restriction stuff i don't get at all. Does the bible even mention abortion?

Sort of. Theres a part in the old law (Numbers I think) where if a pregnant woman is suspected of infidelity, she has to drink a potion brewed by the local priest. If shes been unfaithful, the potion makes her have a miscarriage. Basically its an ancient Israelite version of Maury.

So apparently abortion is ok if the woman cheated.

mercurydude posted...

While Jesus himself said nothing about homosexuality, he did directly condemn divorce, but you've seen how much the usual suspects care about that... Kim Davis divorced three times but they still treated her like a prophet because she loved to shout her hatred of gay people from the rooftops.

At the very least, if they're such staunch legalists, they should have loathed her at least as much as they do gay people, but they couldn't care less about divorce because many of them are divorcees or adulterers or adultering divorcees themselves.

This. Religion is an excuse for homophobia, not the cause of it. The same part of the Bible that condemns homosexuality also condemns eating shellfish. But I dont ever see people protesting outside Red Lobster.

Smallville posted...

yeah and the abortion restriction stuff i don't get at all. Does the bible even mention abortion?

There are parts of the Bible that mention God 'knowing' the unborn child in the womb, which is interpreted as the foetus being a fully realized human. Couple that with 'thou shalt not kill'.

*note: I am pro choice. This is information only.

Leviticus 18:22

And the word abomination checks out in both the hebrew and the english.

ai123 posted...

There are parts of the Bible that mention God 'knowing' the unborn child in the womb, which is interpreted as the foetus being a fully realized human. Couple that with 'thou shalt not kill'.

*note: I am pro choice. This is information only.

idk, i don't really see any rational argument from the pro life side really. With much of the hypocrisy that goes along with it usually. Not sure if they have any rational argument for it ...etc.....