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02/10/24 12:03:45 PM
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Scintillant
02/10/24 1:06:57 PM
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nothing in Pokemon's canon suggest that Pokemon are as strong as the Pokedex entries claim (that are written by 10 year olds btw)

common example that makes no fucking sense:

Magcargo, 18,000 degree body is 2x the temperature of the sun. And yet the pokemon world isn't completely obliterated. Interesting.

"b-b-b--b-b-b-b-bb--but what about Ghost types?" nothing. If Lions are a normal type, then who cares? Bite is a dark type move that is super effective against Ghosts. I personally believe that because Lions are not Pokemon, they would be typeless, which would inflict neutral damage on everything (as seen in the Pokemon attack struggle), but even if they aren't, there's no reason why biting wouldn't work.

All the "GODS" of Pokemon are thwarted, again, by 10 year olds. And nothing these "GODS" do are unbeatable. Even in the Pokemon canon an Arceus can get beaten by a Rattata.

People vastly overhype the abilities of Pokemon for absolutely no reason.


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RetuenOfDevsman
02/10/24 1:09:39 PM
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What about ten trillion lions?
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Ratchetrockon
02/10/24 1:09:52 PM
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Yeah pokemon seem kinda weak.

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Anteaterking
02/10/24 1:11:02 PM
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Flying pokemon?

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RetuenOfDevsman
02/10/24 1:11:28 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Flying pokemon?
The billion lions all pile up on top of each other until they can reach them.
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SaltyWet
02/10/24 1:16:42 PM
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How do the lions beat the supernatural shit?

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KajeI
02/10/24 1:18:37 PM
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I'm very interested in the counterplay to the shit like Groudon and Kyogre, or any of the fliers that can also use projectiles.

How many Lions does it take to get through a tank's armor? Because Aggron can probably tank like 100 at once even without mega.

And then there's shit like Eternamax Eternatus, lmao.

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Scintillant
02/10/24 1:21:26 PM
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In every iteration of Pokemon the "gods" are defeated by the protagonists

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NoxObscuras
02/10/24 1:21:53 PM
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This argument again? The only way lions win is if you handicap Pokemon by applying the video game logic to them while ignoring the Pokedex entries from the video games. But in the show, they don't have a cap of 4 moves, and there's zero mention of PP or the struggle attack (because that's all in the name of video game balance). So Pokemon would obliterate the lions.

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lucariopikmin
02/10/24 1:23:21 PM
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Skitty can take on Wailord dick, a billion lions will be no issue.

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Scintillant
02/10/24 1:23:48 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
This argument again? The only way lions win is if you handicap Pokemon by applying the video game logic to them while ignoring the Pokedex entries from the video games. But in the show, they don't have a cap of 4 moves, and there's zero mention of PP or the struggle attack (because that's all in the name of video game balance). So Pokemon would obliterate the lions.
The games themselves ignore the Pokedex entries.

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KajeI
02/10/24 1:24:06 PM
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Scintillant posted...
In every iteration of Pokemon the "gods" are defeated by the protagonists
In Emerald Groudon+Kyogre are told to fuck off by Rayquaza, all the protag does is go wake it up and yell at it to get the kids to stop fighting.

Players being able to beat them after the fact doesn't take away from the apocalypses both were in the middle of setting off.

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ssb_yunglink2
02/10/24 1:24:23 PM
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Can the lions fight in water and fly lmao

Because a lot of pokmon are aquatic and fly

Not to mention the ones that just blatantly bend reality

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mystic_belmont
02/10/24 1:25:56 PM
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How are lions expected to deal with ghost pokemon, ya know, the ones immune to physical attacks?

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ArsGoetia
02/10/24 1:26:37 PM
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you are unironically wrong
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Garioshi
02/10/24 1:28:37 PM
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Let's use Pokemon mechanics.

The most opponents a Pokemon can ever have at once is 5, in Horde battles. The most PP a move can ever have is 64, so the most PP a Pokemon can ever have is 256. There are 1025 Pokemon, so if we assume that every one of their moves is a mythical 64PP move that instantly kills all opponents with 100% accuracy that doesn't exist, they only kill about 1.3 million lions before they're all down to Struggle. You can call me cynical, but I don't think every single Pokemon can Struggle nearly 1 million times before they faint. Lions win by sheer numbers.

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ArsGoetia
02/10/24 1:31:33 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Let's use Pokemon mechanics.

The most opponents a Pokemon can ever have at once is 5, in Horde battles. The most PP a move can ever have is 64, so the most PP a Pokemon can ever have is 256. There are 1025 Pokemon, so if we assume that every one of their moves is a mythical 64PP move that instantly kills all opponents with 100% accuracy that doesn't exist, they only kill about 1.3 million lions before they're all down to Struggle. You can call me cynical, but I don't think every single Pokemon can Struggle nearly 1 million times before they faint. Lions win by sheer numbers.

i take my fleet of flying pokemon back to nurse joy and continue to shit on lions til the end of time
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Hambo
02/10/24 1:31:53 PM
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If Kyogre can fight without Groudon, then it floods the world and solos.

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Guide
02/10/24 1:34:58 PM
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Scintillant posted...
In every iteration of Pokemon the "gods" are defeated by the protagonists

Ash didn't actually beat Mewtwo

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Doe
02/10/24 1:37:53 PM
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The kids dont write the Pokdex entry, the Pokdex generates that after scanning the captured Pokmon

IDK why people think a slug made of magma is totally fine but think the fact that its surface temperature doesnt directly affect its surroundings is too far for suspension of disbelief lol

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ArsGoetia
02/10/24 1:39:25 PM
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Doe posted...
The kids dont write the Pokdex entry, the Pokdex generates that after scanning the captured Pokmon

IDK why people think a slug made of magma is totally fine but think the fact that its surface temperature doesnt directly affect its surroundings is too far for suspension of disbelief lol

its like a cats claws
the heat retracts unless it feels threatened
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02/10/24 2:01:43 PM
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Piplup_Sniper
02/10/24 2:05:32 PM
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I can see why confusion over the dex stems from. Pokemon sometimes the way the dex depicts them, like how are most ghost type Pokemon allowed to live in cities? How are humans, who are lacking compared to Pokemon, the dominant species?

Sugimori in an interview stated that they want to depict Pokemon in a friendly and charming way even if they have scary backstories via the Pokedex.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/99d80c8c.jpg
Tajiri, Pokemon creator, conceptualized Pokemon as naturally friendly creatures in the vain of domestic cats and dogs, in his own biography and things he wrote in the 90s he compared Pokemon to cats and dogs. So the series tries to keep true to this but Pokemon are still depicted with having awesome abilities like in RSE.

Scintillant posted...
The games themselves ignore the Pokedex entries.


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JuanCarlos1
02/10/24 2:07:38 PM
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Lions dont fly

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RetuenOfDevsman
02/10/24 2:08:15 PM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Lions dont fly

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Tyranthraxus
02/10/24 2:11:02 PM
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Jigglypuff solos the lions idk why this is even a question.

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Blue_Inigo
02/10/24 2:12:58 PM
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1 billion lions can't even touch Rayquaza lol

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SecretBase
02/10/24 2:24:45 PM
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In Pokemon USUM various villains teleport over from universes where their evil goals were fully achieved. Meaning the legendary Pokemon of some of their worlds successfully wasted the entire planet as planned.

So Groudon really could vaporize the ocean, Kyogre really could drown the land, Dialga really could reset time to zero (and restart it), and Palkia really could destroy the physical universe (and recreate it).

The fuck are lions doing about that? >_>

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Doe
02/10/24 2:43:16 PM
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Piplup_Sniper posted...
I can see why confusion over the dex stems from. Pokemon sometimes the way the dex depicts them, like how are most ghost type Pokemon allowed to live in cities? How are humans, who are lacking compared to Pokemon, the dominant species?
The contradiction is intentional. Every kid wants a pet that is friendly with them that can also blow up a building with a laser beam at their command

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superbot400
02/10/24 2:47:19 PM
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Scintillant posted...
nothing in Pokemon's canon suggest that Pokemon are as strong as the Pokedex entries claim (that are written by 10 year olds btw)
....That's a meme.

Pokedex was created by Pokemen zoologists and wildlife biologists in the Pokemen world. Each other has differnet pokedex entries. Professor Laventon wrote one of them in his region.

In game continuity, they are absoutely canon. I don't even know how people dispute that.


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Doe
02/10/24 2:49:11 PM
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Didnt Pokdex denialism start from a GameTheory video. Lol

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Piplup_Sniper
02/10/24 3:45:10 PM
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Doe posted...
The contradiction is intentional. Every kid wants a pet that is friendly with them that can also blow up a building with a laser beam at their command
Yeah thats the point I was making even pointing out that Sugimori said as much, they put portraying Pokemon as friendly and charming above everything else even if it contradicts the lore they wrote on the Pokdex.

A good recent example is Bannete portrayal in the anime vs the Pokdex entry
https://youtu.be/alZdtRwUudc?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/7DYSs-K1GNo?si=0PUk7iNZWNk3bQat

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bd96e9af.jpg


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Ratchetrockon
02/10/24 3:46:11 PM
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What are the actual best pokemon feats anyways??? not counting that poke God of course

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HA4e
02/10/24 3:49:10 PM
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mystic_belmont posted...
How are lions expected to deal with ghost pokemon, ya know, the ones immune to physical attacks?

Bite
Crunch
Lick

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ellis123
02/10/24 3:49:39 PM
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We have no reason to assume that lions have the same magical immunity to death like Pokmon do, so any Electric Pokmon solos.

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HudGard
02/10/24 3:50:15 PM
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Why are a billion lions always getting pitted against stuff? Did it originate from something?

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BlueAnnihilator
02/10/24 3:51:12 PM
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Doe posted...
IDK why people think a slug made of magma is totally fine but think the fact that its surface temperature doesnt directly affect its surroundings is too far for suspension of disbelief lol
According to the anime, Ponyta can straight up choose to have its fire not burn people so I can believe Magcargo not immolating everything just by existing.

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Ratchetrockon
02/10/24 3:51:46 PM
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HudGard posted...
Why are a billion lions always getting pitted against stuff? Did it originate from something?

I first remember the trillion lions vs the sun debate. From like a decade ago.

Idk if there are earlier examples

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/47f02030.jpg

I think lions are used because they are so popular and majestic.

Like tigers don't have that same impact imo. Ok maybe they are mildly bigger and stronger but they look more like oversized house cats to me. Def not as cool as lions

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RoosterGold
02/10/24 3:55:07 PM
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ArsGoetia posted...
you are unironically wrong


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BloodMoon7
02/10/24 3:56:18 PM
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Scintillant posted...
nothing in Pokemon's canon suggest that Pokemon are as strong as the Pokedex entries claim (that are written by 10 year olds btw)

common example that makes no fucking sense:

Magcargo, 18,000 degree body is 2x the temperature of the sun. And yet the pokemon world isn't completely obliterated. Interesting.

"b-b-b--b-b-b-b-bb--but what about Ghost types?" nothing. If Lions are a normal type, then who cares? Bite is a dark type move that is super effective against Ghosts. I personally believe that because Lions are not Pokemon, they would be typeless, which would inflict neutral damage on everything (as seen in the Pokemon attack struggle), but even if they aren't, there's no reason why biting wouldn't work.

All the "GODS" of Pokemon are thwarted, again, by 10 year olds. And nothing these "GODS" do are unbeatable. Even in the Pokemon canon an Arceus can get beaten by a Rattata.

People vastly overhype the abilities of Pokemon for absolutely no reason.
Bite may be Dark type and lions may be no type but Ghost types are still GHOSTS. The lions would have to be able to get a hit in. Other Pokmon can manage because those are the rules and they have Types. But by your logic, lions being no type would not be able to hurt Ghost types even if they tried biting them because they are ghosts. If lions have no type, their bites also have no types and so the question would be if a lion can physically hurt something like a ghost. By our world's logic, they cannot. The lore of our world states that most ghosts do not have physical bodies.

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Piplup_Sniper
02/10/24 4:03:20 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
Bite may be Dark type and lions may be no type but Ghost types are still GHOSTS. The lions would have to be able to get a hit in. Other Pokmon can manage because those are the rules and they have Types. But by your logic, lions being no type would not be able to hurt Ghost types even if they tried biting them because they are ghosts. If lions have no type, their bites also have no types and so the question would be if a lion can physically hurt something like a ghost. By our world's logic, they cannot. The lore of our world states that most ghosts do not have physical bodies.
Correction but ghost types in Pokemon arent actual ghosts and can still get hit by physical attacks. The series actually dealt with this with Mimikins, the ghost of a Mimikyu.

https://youtu.be/uUQ2zR3aMvc?si=KiS71qbgG-2HOiTF
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https://youtu.be/1cL1fSREQ-U?si=X8GHK0scxDzxiwK0

Ghost types are ghost-like but are physical living creatures.

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WingsOfGood
02/10/24 4:41:52 PM
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This reminded me of something I saw today

"People don't realize the difference between 1 million and 1 billion.

1 million seconds is 11 days

1 billion seconds is 31 YEARS
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IronChef_Kirby
02/10/24 4:45:16 PM
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https://youtu.be/GkVKDK-2j6M?si=cwqfwRzTRnus2qmD

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Ratchetrockon
02/10/24 4:48:12 PM
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IronChef_Kirby posted...
https://youtu.be/GkVKDK-2j6M?si=cwqfwRzTRnus2qmD

Nah the pokemon are soo fucking dead. Lions can just breed too and expand their numbers. I'm assuming an environment w/ infinite resources


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Horith
02/10/24 5:00:22 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Let's use Pokemon mechanics.

The most opponents a Pokemon can ever have at once is 5, in Horde battles. The most PP a move can ever have is 64, so the most PP a Pokemon can ever have is 256. There are 1025 Pokemon, so if we assume that every one of their moves is a mythical 64PP move that instantly kills all opponents with 100% accuracy that doesn't exist, they only kill about 1.3 million lions before they're all down to Struggle. You can call me cynical, but I don't think every single Pokemon can Struggle nearly 1 million times before they faint. Lions win by sheer numbers.

I feel like you can make up some good numbers by using moves that hit the entire field at once. While Surf/EQ etc. will have less PP, they'll be vastly more efficient in PP usage by taking out tremendous amounts of lions all at once. Earthquake's max PP is 16, but if we assume a Horde battle of 5 lions against one Pokemon, EQ hits all five lions at once for a single use, KOing a total of 80 lions vs 64 by using a single-target move. If each Pokemon is allowed to be loaded with a Leppa Berry that's 130 lions down just by using one move.

I'd obviously have to math it out and that's a lot more effort than I can do right now, but I feel like that would cut things down by a pretty good amount, especially since there are Pokemon that can learn multiple AoE moves.
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02/10/24 5:03:02 PM
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Piplup_Sniper
02/10/24 5:06:06 PM
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Thats never been implied. In fact Masuda said that humans and Pokemon are two separate things, and lore wise humans dont shrink so theyre not Pokemon.

Aside from it being a childrens franchise the reason humans are still around is because Pokemon are basically magical dogs. Theyre naturally affectionate towards humans, legends of Arceus implies this and Dr. Footsteps goes as far as to say wild Pokemon are wildly jealous at domestic Pokemon. Just like real life dogs Pokemon being friendly towards humans is in their dna. Another thing is that Pokemon elemental attacks may not be super strong, this is why a Snubull can die from a real fire but tank a move like flamethrower. Superhuman feats can be attributed to cartoon physics.

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