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Forceful_Dragon
02/08/24 8:20:23 PM
#202:


I loved the part where you didn't give wallz a chance to make an authentic response on his own behalf.

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wallmasterz
02/08/24 8:27:30 PM
#203:


Funny timing that I became a topic of conversation soon after I got busy with family stuff. This is one of the best parts of my day - dad responsibilities slow down for a bit while I sit on my phone in the dark and wait for a little one to doze off.

Firstly, I am actually happy to see this level of engagement emerge from FD. As I thought about the game today I remembered how town FD failed the vibe check pretty spectacularly in BCTs holiday mafia and was mislynched for it on day 1. Instead of bringing that point up (which would have still been with a lot of skepticism about FDs alignment), I feel pretty good about FD being town now.

I dont expect FD to stop being suspicious towards me, and thats fine. Its pretty funny how history may repeat itself. This is reminding me of Blades game where FD couldnt move past the fact I claimed to be Mr. T (which I was!) yet wasnt in the neighborhood with the other three Mr flavors. Damn you housing segregation!

I saw talk questioning the value of who I chose to target and when. I understand but disagree. If you played smash bros mafia, and Im not sure FD did, I will always remember how much of that game was dedicated to discussing town ultis role when we finally got to beetle talk, and saving more beetles to use his role on more advanced items the scum team had or whatever, it sounded like the most ridiculous thing in the world. I dont regret my choice here. Getting ulti to commit directly to being vanilla is a lot better imo than spending 25% of our day on naive neighbor talk because ulti still thinks he has a chance to bait whatever alignment he isnt.

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Corrik7
02/08/24 8:42:16 PM
#204:


So you knew he was town and just wanted him to commit if power or not?

Didn't you follow him? Why did you need him to commit?

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Forceful_Dragon
02/08/24 8:48:12 PM
#205:


And what would you have done if he was really just a goofy 'randomly targets someone but nothing actually happens' role?

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Kirby321
02/08/24 9:04:54 PM
#206:


Let's be clear about one thing: regardless of alignment, Ulti is fully capable and has been shown to completely lie about his role on the initial claim, for some convoluted and nonsensical reason.

Getting Ulti to commit to a claim is not a bad idea, especially when there's a massive tendency for people to vote for him not because it makes logical sense but because he pissed everyone off. I really don't think Wallz's use of his role was a complete waste for that exact reason. The less time Sbell and Ulti aren't having a pissing contest, the more focused our town can be on having productive discussions.

There are four alignments in B8 Mafia: town, mafia, third-party, and Ulti.

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Enchantress
02/08/24 9:09:17 PM
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Lollllll
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wallmasterz
02/08/24 9:20:47 PM
#208:


Corrik7 posted...
So you knew he was town and just wanted him to commit if power or not?

Didn't you follow him? Why did you need him to commit?

These questions are a bit silly but Ill answer. I didnt know his alignment at any point and Im still unsure. I hoped to have a definitive answer to at least one of does ulti have to move involuntarily every night or is ulti capable of moving at all.

The order went neighbor chat, Ulti is released from being kidnapped (by me acknowledging to host I was done and would not use the chat anymore) and then host responded by telling me whether ulti didnt move. I wouldnt say I needed him to do anything, it was just a nice bit of info to have for the reason i already explained.

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wallmasterz
02/08/24 9:25:13 PM
#209:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
And what would you have done if he was really just a goofy 'randomly targets someone but nothing actually happens' role?

I would have told everyone ulti moved n1, heres who he visited, and we all wouldve been left speculating the likelihood of whether ulti visited that person randomly or intentionally. And tried to get an answer from Ulti. I planned to ask ulti who he was targeting n1 and that quickly became a pointless question because he claimed to actually be vanilla pretty much immediately

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Enchantress
02/08/24 9:25:31 PM
#210:


Yeah I'm still big on Wallz being town
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Corrik7
02/08/24 9:26:19 PM
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wallmasterz posted...
These questions are a bit silly but Ill answer. I didnt know his alignment at any point and Im still unsure. I hoped to have a definitive answer to at least one of does ulti have to move involuntarily every night or is ulti capable of moving at all.

The order went neighbor chat, Ulti is released from being kidnapped (by me acknowledging to host I was done and would not use the chat anymore) and then host responded by telling me whether ulti didnt move. I wouldnt say I needed him to do anything, it was just a nice bit of info to have for the reason i already explained.
Whether he didn't move? I thought you followed him to no one??? Huh.

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wallmasterz
02/08/24 9:29:13 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Whether he didn't move? I thought you followed him to no one??? Huh.

That should have read did or didnt move. If you want to split hairs this badly, I cant follow someone who doesnt move. And I mean this with the utmost respect to Sultan, who is an excellent host in my opinion, it wasnt a super formal process.

youre being weird Corrik.

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Corrik7
02/08/24 9:29:26 PM
#213:


So are you claiming motion tracker / prostitute here or tracker?

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Forceful_Dragon
02/08/24 9:35:01 PM
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Yeah, not something you should be proud of

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wallmasterz
02/08/24 9:35:35 PM
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One night neighbor + tracker from my understanding of how tracker works. I got told ulti went nowhere. If ulti had gone somewhere I wouldve been told where he went, not only that he moved.

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Corrik7
02/08/24 9:36:23 PM
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wallmasterz posted...
One night neighbor + tracker from my understanding of how tracker works. I got told ulti went nowhere. If ulti had gone somewhere I wouldve been told where he went, not only that he moved.
Okay.

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wallmasterz
02/08/24 9:40:44 PM
#219:


Ryan Murphys feud season 3: Ulti and FD

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Chaeix
02/08/24 9:45:20 PM
#220:


american horror story: mafia

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red13n
02/08/24 9:50:58 PM
#221:


i don't think i distrust wallz claim.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/08/24 9:51:46 PM
#222:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Yeah, not something you should be proud of

UltimaterializerX posted...
Oh that is absolutely something Im proud of.

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

You do a lot of things you shouldn't.

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Enchantress
02/08/24 10:07:12 PM
#223:


I would probably sig that too if it was said about me tbh
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wallmasterz
02/08/24 10:11:01 PM
#224:


Chaeix posted...
american horror story: mafia

+1

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changmas
02/08/24 10:13:32 PM
#225:


i feel better about wallz than i do about FD

still running out of potential scum players unless corrik is scum though

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wallmasterz
02/08/24 10:19:38 PM
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changmas posted...
i feel better about wallz than i do about FD

still running out of potential scum players unless corrik is scum though

If I had a day scan as Lea claims to have, Id probably scan Corrik. Isquen is still firmly in my poe. I havent moved my vote yet but if I had to guess red is town. Thats not super confident but Id lynch Isquen before red for sure.

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wallmasterz
02/08/24 10:20:47 PM
#229:


Id credit Kirby tbh. But yeah, its funny.

Edit: ninjad!

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changmas
02/08/24 10:21:07 PM
#230:


Corrik is a good scan for sure

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Corrik7
02/08/24 10:37:53 PM
#231:


changmas posted...
Corrik is a good scan for sure
Absolutely. Why wouldn't you. Gives you day 1 train info.

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Corrik7
02/08/24 10:39:38 PM
#232:


And I was basically inactive. Always scan inactives or people you can't read. I guarantee I was scanned last night and since I showed up town they are holding it. Not dumb.

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PunishedBen
02/08/24 11:38:35 PM
#233:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Wallz is just fat tony, town kidnapper. No renamed role.

No seriously, correct me if I'm wrong Wallz because I have more to elaborate on based on that answer.

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Kirby321
02/08/24 11:43:48 PM
#234:


wallmasterz posted...
That should have read did or didnt move. If you want to split hairs this badly, I cant follow someone who doesnt move. And I mean this with the utmost respect to Sultan, who is an excellent host in my opinion, it wasnt a super formal process.

youre being weird Corrik.

Splitting hairs is Corrik's specialty. Just ask how much he harangued me over my confusing role back in Dota 2 Mafia >_>

But yeah getting aggressive over small details like that isn't unusual for town Corrik.

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PunishedBen
02/08/24 11:59:24 PM
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Here is me looking through older games to find who was lynched d1.

FD
JC
Ulti
Sultan
Kirby
Sultan
Marth
BCT
Ulti
NL
Chris
Isquen

Look at all that Sbell, Plum and Isquen.


ctesjbuvf posted...
I stopped when I actually found an Isquen lynch, which was a full year ago.
Does Ctes scour through history just to shut down the easy defense/pass for Isquen that he is too commonly pursued day 1 if Isquen was indeed a scummate with Ctes?

Worth pondering.

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PunishedBen
02/09/24 12:04:43 AM
#236:


Lopen posted...
D1 lynch is a misleading stat

Isquen is an inertia lynch that gets defaulted into whenever scum feels like pulling the escape valve. They don't always need the valve day 1.

If the people under pressure were scum today they need it day 1

ctesjbuvf posted...
Okay but like half the game doesn't have a vote down. What good comes from sitting with your arms crossed using outdated meta.

Let's go all the cowards then, whoever will allow me a chance to get a better read.

ctesjbuvf posted...
I actually did stats in DTC at some point, it might be in some discord channel and it actually wasn't particularly noticeable. Sultan was easily the most mislycnhed person in recent times, and sure there are people that never get mislynched but Isquen didn't actually stick out like he has a reputation for.
Just sayin he seems a bit ticked that his Isquen direction is getting shut down. It would be easy to settle off of a teammate due to meta reasons like this but he went out of his way to crack the meta and make sure Isquen was still on the table.

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PunishedBen
02/09/24 12:06:10 AM
#237:


I know, I dont want to believe Isquen is town either.


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PunishedBen
02/09/24 12:08:44 AM
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ctesjbuvf posted...


This was most push against "let's focus on someone that has done nothing" I can recall


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wallmasterz
02/09/24 2:05:59 AM
#239:


PunishedBen posted...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Wallz is just fat tony, town kidnapper. No renamed role.

No seriously, correct me if I'm wrong Wallz because I have more to elaborate on based on that answer.

Actually, the whole thing is Fat Tony Town Kidnapper (1 night neighborizer/track)

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htaeD
02/09/24 3:16:02 AM
#240:


Kidnapper does sound like an odd rename, but I dont know if thats just how renamed powers work. (names being more specific)

PunishedBen posted...
I know, I dont want to believe Isquen is town either.


Its more confusing than anything to me, since Ctes said this but then also drops Isquen without a fight like a few moments later and happily moves on to Chang.

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wallmasterz
02/09/24 3:19:38 AM
#241:


Dont forget ctes voiced suspicion on Isquen but didnt actually vote for him. Then I posted all my Isquen iso I had been working on within a few minutes and only then did ctes drop a vote.

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Isquen
02/09/24 3:48:13 AM
#242:


Well I made the glorious mistake of passing out right after work. I don't feel well (thanks 30-degree temperature swiveling) but on a brief skim since I last posted (at #50) it looks like a whole nothing burger has happened outside the usual (you know, me being talked about like some grand mastermind as though I'm guilty of malfeasance rather than truancy)

I believe wallz worded his role badly because the back and forth seemed a bit off. I also believe Corrik still ain't in the clear, nor am I buying Lea's scanner claim in the slightest. I have reason to doubt a town-town combo between wallz and Ulti (did anyone bring up a ninja possibility?) I'm also disinclined to believe any further roleblocking due to a dead vanillaizer, and given no shot fired by red, I'm suspicious that he's truthful of being a vigilante but being the scum EK.

I was writing little notes here and there when skimming topics 1 and 2 focusing on ctes and Lopen interactions, gonna try and do a summary if I'm still alive in the morning. Right now I think a Benadryl is calling me to go back to sleep soon.

(And yes, I will be focusing on them and only entertaining other questions selectively. I know perfectly well I'm a mislynch ripcord and can not be assed to care that much, since people are perfectly content to give the other serial AFK a pass)

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red13n
02/09/24 5:09:32 AM
#243:


Ctes basically clears wallz claim on page 1 btw.

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red13n
02/09/24 5:11:15 AM
#244:


I may have initially gotten myself confused by the neighbor part of the name.

This doesn't become the end result of him posting dumb thoughts if Ulti is scum.

Also I typed wallz meant to type ulti on that last post.

They are pretty linked in my brain deal with it.

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red13n
02/09/24 5:15:13 AM
#245:


Speaking of.

wallmasterz posted...
Ctes, if you had to lynch one person right now who would you pick?

ctesjbuvf posted... No idea

This doesn't really feel like scum/scum either. Like if your scum going after each other you prepare something right?


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red13n
02/09/24 5:31:37 AM
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I think JC/Ctes interaction clears JC even harder.

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htaeD
02/09/24 5:52:40 AM
#247:


Yeah JC was pretty vicious with Ctes in a way that doesnt look faked.

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MZero
02/09/24 6:12:37 AM
#248:


Enchantress posted...
That's ridiculous. I was town D1 and I'm scum today. But you know what, sure. If Mzero is scum and lives to day four I'm part of the very problem I mock.

you mislynch me every game lol

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MZero
02/09/24 6:25:17 AM
#249:


Isquen posted...
I'm still waiting to hear from red before I say anything, beyond "I have off tomorrow and can post more if needs be." I know all too well how often I get killed at some point during day 2.

Isquen posted...
Well I made the glorious mistake of passing out right after work. I don't feel well (thanks 30-degree temperature swiveling) but on a brief skim since I last posted (at #50) it looks like a whole nothing burger has happened outside the usual (you know, me being talked about like some grand mastermind as though I'm guilty of malfeasance rather than truancy)

I believe wallz worded his role badly because the back and forth seemed a bit off. I also believe Corrik still ain't in the clear, nor am I buying Lea's scanner claim in the slightest. I have reason to doubt a town-town combo between wallz and Ulti (did anyone bring up a ninja possibility?) I'm also disinclined to believe any further roleblocking due to a dead vanillaizer, and given no shot fired by red, I'm suspicious that he's truthful of being a vigilante but being the scum EK.

I was writing little notes here and there when skimming topics 1 and 2 focusing on ctes and Lopen interactions, gonna try and do a summary if I'm still alive in the morning. Right now I think a Benadryl is calling me to go back to sleep soon.

(And yes, I will be focusing on them and only entertaining other questions selectively. I know perfectly well I'm a mislynch ripcord and can not be assed to care that much, since people are perfectly content to give the other serial AFK a pass)

...you had to hear from red to comment on a bunch of players not named red?

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MZero
02/09/24 6:27:54 AM
#250:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I think what we're overlooking is that Wallz' renamed flavor doesn't really seem to fit what we've seen so far. They've all been rather generally descriptive of the character and not particularly related to the role. Unsuccessful businessman is confirmed. Average Joes, Naive Neighbor and Old Man are claimed. Those 4 are all attached to vanilla sure, but the thing linking them is that they really just generally address the character itself and don't tie into the vanilla-ness.

And then we have "Kidnapper" for Fat Tony? With a role that just happens to closely match what a Scum Kidnapper might do?

FD and flavor meta name a more iconic duo

I will say I really don't think this means anything

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