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Hades
02/20/24 3:16:22 PM
#251:


Whilst I agree that's probably the optimal team for her, I can't imagine subbing out SW for Guinaifen or even Welt is too big of a drop-off.
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TheManaSword
02/20/24 3:20:00 PM
#252:


Yeah Ill probably just go with Gui for now. And also hope that FX reruns next patch.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/20/24 3:41:21 PM
#253:


Her best sustains are actually going to be Gall or Aventurine since they can apply debuffs. Technically Gepard as well. Fu Xuan gives her the Crit rate, so it's not like it's a bad choice.

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catesdb
02/20/24 3:43:28 PM
#254:


we can't call him gall, that's pronounced totally differently

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/20/24 4:14:35 PM
#255:


then it's settled: we call him Gal

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TheManaSword
02/20/24 4:32:51 PM
#256:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Her best sustains are actually going to be Gall or Aventurine since they can apply debuffs.

sorry no boys allowed

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catesdb
02/20/24 5:13:36 PM
#257:


he's the gal with the gall

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UshiromiyaEva
02/20/24 7:11:10 PM
#258:


This has a new boss in it that is plot relevant, so putting it behind a spoiler bar. Showcasing all new characters. Also adding a space to the URL so it doesn't inbed the video. Do not open if you don't want spoilers!

https://youtu.be/ 6WrLIzGHwCM?si=H-rRItTI6r3GcJW6

Making Triple sustain seem downright viable here lol, Jesus.

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pyresword
02/21/24 12:25:09 AM
#259:


Is the main story continuing in version 2.1? I'd assumed it was going to be 2.2 same as with version 1, but it also seems unlikely they'd release Acheron with that moveset in 2.1 otherwise when the story seems to be keeping the player in the dark as far as her powers/abilities go.

(referring to leak posts from the previous page I didn't click the bar in the above post)

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UshiromiyaEva
02/21/24 12:30:59 AM
#260:


2.1 and 2.2 will both be major story patches. 2.3 will be an epilogue patch. After that we move into the more sporadic patch stories just like 1.x did.

I imagine 2.1 and 2.2 will be larger than 1.1 and 1.2 respectively, since so much content was in 1.0 for the launch.

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dowolf
02/21/24 1:16:43 AM
#261:


A day may come when the courage of gamers fails. When we forsake our waifus and husbandos and break all bonds of gacha, but it is not this day. An hour of meta and damage over time, when the age of Sampo comes crashing down! But it is not this day!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/039e941e.jpg

(i should probably just build sampo though; i can't keep getting away with this.)

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UshiromiyaEva
02/21/24 11:42:22 AM
#262:


Is Silver Wolf really a character to leave at 75 lol. I guess if you're not building DPS for her.

https://youtu.be/OMReTfk-Fv0?si=R6LNT4FRDW5n-75U

Fuck it I'm going for Aventurine. Sorry Sparkle.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/21/24 11:53:45 AM
#263:


That video just makes me wish I had 2 Ruan Meis more than anything else

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dowolf
02/21/24 12:46:51 PM
#264:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Is Silver Wolf really a character to leave at 75 lol. I guess if you're not building DPS for her.
pretty much. Though I have more resources these days and I probably should push her to 80 just for survivability.

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TheManaSword
02/21/24 2:39:27 PM
#265:


leaving any character not maxed out is a crime

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BK_Sheikah00
02/21/24 5:16:59 PM
#266:


Who actually levels traces to 10

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swordz9
02/21/24 5:17:42 PM
#267:


Ive got a couple at max Traces, but Im apparently terrible at the game
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pyresword
02/21/24 5:27:50 PM
#268:


I level all my characters I use to 80, but for traces I'm usually only maxing out 1 or 2 if even that many.

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dowolf
02/21/24 5:43:08 PM
#269:


uhhh if we ignore basic attack I max out most traces. Guaranteed 7% increase per level is both more time efficient and more future-proof than RNG to maybe get 3% more crit on a set that could get powercrept at any moment.

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tcaz2
02/21/24 6:10:12 PM
#270:


TheManaSword posted...
leaving any character not maxed out is a crime

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tcaz2
02/22/24 12:59:12 PM
#271:


Woo just hit Trailblaze Level 60 and got Equilibrium Level 5 finally

Max ascensions here we come! ...After I get the materials and exp to do so!
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Arti
02/22/24 1:14:02 PM
#272:


I don't think I have anyone at max traces

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UshiromiyaEva
02/22/24 1:20:37 PM
#273:


Some traces just aren't worth maxing, especially on some older characters. This is true on basic attack for most characters of course, but even some skills, talents, and ultimates just don't actually change what matters much for those last few jumps.

Again, excluding basic, DoT characters typically have pretty strong maxing viability, more than most. Bronya is a good one to max if you're running 161+ speed. I'd have to go over the rest to see.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/22/24 1:45:10 PM
#274:


In general I agree that maxing traces from 8 to 10 will get you more value for your energy than grinding relics, but this is assuming people have good relics in the first place which is not always the case!

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tcaz2
02/22/24 1:48:38 PM
#275:


Who cares about worth

Max all the numbers
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dowolf
02/22/24 5:11:06 PM
#276:


look i am not grinding artifacts until i get max crit or speed substat rolls every level. i would go insane.

Especially because fractional speed isn't displayed on screen so you'll never truly know how good your roll is there.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/22/24 5:23:08 PM
#277:


Who is out here talking about grinding for max rolls? Even getting two or three usable substats, especially speed, is an enormous pain. Let alone them rolling into the right stat, let alone getting max value! Even my best artifacts typically have one or two wasted stats and missed rolls.

The RNG in HSR is notoriously bad - you have to grind artifacts a ton to even get mediocre pieces.

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dowolf
02/22/24 7:14:58 PM
#278:


i am aware. i was playing off of tcaz saying to "max all the numbers."

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tcaz2
02/22/24 8:31:31 PM
#279:


Eh Artifacts are something else entirely imo. There are technically 'best' numerical values, sure, but they don't 'fill up' like Traces, so its fine.
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BK_Sheikah00
02/22/24 8:41:32 PM
#280:


I would rather stop traces at 7, go get usable artifacts at +12 then move on to the next character.

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tcaz2
02/22/24 8:43:39 PM
#281:


I mean you don't have to max them IMMEDIATELY, just EVENTUALLY.
I'm not going to sit there and grind every character to max traces before leveling others either. But they will be!!
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UshiromiyaEva
02/23/24 12:28:15 AM
#282:


Potential new relics. I'm sure it's for a new limited unit down the line, but all I can see in that first one is my Xueyi work starting all over again lol.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/25a3fa4b.jpg

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UshiromiyaEva
02/23/24 11:21:58 AM
#283:


Guides saying 2 pc Pioneer/Guard for Aventurine, but I really think I should be able to hit that defense Threshold without it. It's essentially the easiest stat to roll in the game!

Going to prep a Pioneer/Followup 2p instead.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/23/24 11:57:04 AM
#284:


Well I also assume it's a matter of DEF scaling being much stronger than ATK scaling in general, so it's not like the extra def is wasted. That video you posted earlier is on a fairly heavy DEF build and the comments around it were that the difference between building crit/dmg% versus stacking more def is fairly minimal. But if you have the relics already or are farming that domain, sure.

I wasn't really expecting Pioneer so I've probably thrown out a lot of def/crit and def/speed pieces that could have fit, oops.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/23/24 12:04:11 PM
#285:


No doubt, probably literally dozens of viable Pioneer pieces trashed.

Probably going to stop chunking any pieces based off of main stats.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/23/24 12:14:45 PM
#286:


OK I actually lucked out here, my unused Pioneer speed boots In already had rolled defense% 3 times.

I also have multiple options for gloves and hands in Pioneer and Grand Duke. Guess I just need a body piece!

And even if I end up going Guard instead of Grand Duke, I already have those pieces.

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tcaz2
02/23/24 12:32:10 PM
#287:


Blowing all my fuel now that I have max nodes unlocked for calyxs and shadows to try and get characters built as far as I can. Wanna see if I can get at least something out of this MOC before it goes away.

Unfortunately I have too many Nihility characters built and only 3 decent Nihility LCs lol...
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BK_Sheikah00
02/23/24 1:02:15 PM
#288:


Full wind set on Pela, yes or no.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/23/24 1:03:46 PM
#289:


Viable! I have intention of touching that domain right now, but I'd consider building it myself.

I think the only real argument against it is it's probably better to just build hyperspeed with a survivability set, but obviously 4 piece wind with decent speed is much easier.

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pyresword
02/23/24 1:31:45 PM
#290:


I am not a believer in the Wind set on Pela, but I'm also intentionally building offense on mine (which for the record I would only recommend at E6). If you aren't trying to focus on her own damage then 4 piece wind is probably best, and even if you are I'm not completely sure that the math would point you to a different set.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/23/24 1:34:48 PM
#291:


This is where my Pela is currently at. Good enough as far as I'm concerned, Pela's scaling on the scorer is wierd anyways. Definitely better set options than 2 pc break, but I needed that EHR body.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/23/24 1:36:17 PM
#292:


pyresword posted...
I am not a believer in the Wind set on Pela, but I'm also intentionally building offense on mine (which for the record I would only recommend at E6). If you aren't trying to focus on her own damage then 4 piece wind is probably best, and even if you are I'm not completely sure that the math would point you to a different set.

I gave up on DPS Pela but I would love to try again one day.

Her and Welt are screaming for it but it's so difficult.

If you're going DPS Pela then you want 4 PC Pioneer anyways, probably, so I can't say my attempts were wasted.

At this point, Pela is being built exclusives to partner with Acheron, thus the EHR Planars for the CD buff.

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swordz9
02/24/24 11:13:39 AM
#293:


Relic wise my March leaves a lot to be desired still, but I got an Energy Regen rope of the Belobog set with Effect Hit Rate on it so that was nice. Also got the Gepard LC to lv80 for her. Her DEF is almost 4K. Its a start at least.
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TheManaSword
02/24/24 1:15:38 PM
#294:


I think Im finally done with the 2.0 content minus achievements. Back to grinding.

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tcaz2
02/24/24 1:36:03 PM
#295:


I'm still clearing out quests and stuff on the Loufu lol
And I think I still have a few on Jarilo too...
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UshiromiyaEva
02/24/24 4:21:42 PM
#296:


The Welt Meta may not be dead.

Lots of talk going around of Acheron/Pela/Welt/Ruan Mei, with a high break effect Welt, if all the important enemies are weak to Imaginary.

The more break an Imaginary or Quantum character has, the longer the delay on the enemy from breaking. Combine that with Welt's delay Ult, and the slow Skill...Welt+Ruan Mei = Sustain??

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pyresword
02/24/24 4:26:28 PM
#297:


I don't have Welt to actually test it but it always seemed to me like Welt/Ratio would be a strong combination. Is that wrong?

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UshiromiyaEva
02/24/24 4:29:20 PM
#298:


It's a good combo, yeah. Welt is good in many situations! The Welt+Ratio combo really has no reason not to build Crit Welt, though, and the Welt problem has always just been building him.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/24/24 4:57:44 PM
#299:


I haven't tried it yet (my Welt build sucks) but I think the main issue is the SP economy because Welt also wants to skill every turn. Luocha (and probably Aventurine) solves this problem if you have him. Also you really have to make sure your debuff situation is reliable. The build and team is awkward because Ratio has better comps that are more generically versatile and powerful, but I bet it absolutely destroys any add-heavy Imaginary-weak bosses like Swarm and IPC team leader.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/24/24 4:59:28 PM
#300:


Yeah, even the once every 3 turn skill use from your harmony character hurt Welt/Ratio. That's the reason that theoretical team uses Pela instead of SW.

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