Board 8 > Dead by Daylight Mafia Topic 1: Happy Halloween!

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Obellisk
10/30/23 12:47:05 PM
#301:


oh Lea appeared again.

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htaeD
10/30/23 12:47:20 PM
#302:


Why the citation, Lea?

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PeaceFrog
10/30/23 12:48:45 PM
#304:


I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "hey i don't necessarily believe this claim."

I am not fond of asking for further details in a game where we're told everybody has 1-3 traits. We just had miller neighbors who didn't know they were Millers (kind of). Red always deserves scrutiny in my book, but I'm not a fan of how Dumey went about it. That said, i think as scum he's a lot more careful than to just... come out and ask like that.

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PeaceFrog
10/30/23 12:50:32 PM
#306:


Man if you guys don't cite every single vibe in your personal handwritten notebook that you carry in your back pocket, are you even really playing the game?

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PeaceFrog
10/30/23 12:52:04 PM
#308:


If anything i think that rb is too high but that's a meaningless meta discussion that i think is not terribly important until the situation in which it is inherently important occurs

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EDumey
10/30/23 12:53:54 PM
#309:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Dumey hides being an easily caught scum player with lots and lots and lots of words. Cut through those and hes easy to figure out.
Yeah but I also can be town who uses lots and lots and lots of words. I just like words man. That's why that scum strat even works, because it's no different than my town strat!

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htaeD
10/30/23 12:53:55 PM
#310:


Lea posted...


With my trait, "Future Vision," I could tell that people would ask "why did you make those reads". Ben is good at clearing town while town and bad for clearing town while scum, etc


I cant even tell if this is a joke or not.
I am gonna go with yes.

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wallmasterz
10/30/23 12:54:50 PM
#311:


htaeD posted...
I cant even tell if this is a joke or not.
I am gonna go with yes.

With my trait Sarcasm Detector I can assure you its completely serious.

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PeaceFrog
10/30/23 12:54:51 PM
#313:


Death.

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wallmasterz
10/30/23 12:55:27 PM
#314:


Taxes.

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EDumey
10/30/23 12:56:29 PM
#315:


Also since coming back to play mafia, I think I've only ever been caught as scum by getting fucked by night actions or one time because Han literally just PoE'd me and refused to budge. Calling me "easily caught" I feel isn't super supported by recent history.

Though back in the day, Cokes had my number like twice from just play and I still don't know exactly what tipped them off.

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wallmasterz
10/30/23 1:02:28 PM
#316:


Dumey have you already mentioned what you think of Ben? I havent played enough with Ben to have firsthand experience with what Lea is claiming to be the case. I remember a game where town Ben was quick to call people town, but none of his reasons were quite as crap (imo) as this solo queue business.

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EDumey
10/30/23 1:07:37 PM
#317:


wallmasterz posted...
Dumey have you already mentioned what you think of Ben? I havent played enough with Ben to have firsthand experience with what Lea is claiming to be the case. I remember a game where town Ben was quick to call people town, but none of his reasons were quite as crap (imo) as this solo queue business.

Yes. I earlier said I think his tells on SBell and IGCD are not sound, so I don't trust that read completely (though I respect what Lea said about Ben town clearing as both town and scum). I said that I think Ben getting excited about people reading the roles the same way he did and declaring them hard cleared is very typical Ben play, and had a town vibe on him because of that.

I do think Ben is aware of his "tells" enough to fake it, but my initial impression was a towny one. I'm not going to get in the way of other people pressuring him though.

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htaeD
10/30/23 1:11:09 PM
#319:


PeaceFrog posted...
Death.


I feel violated

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Isquen
10/30/23 1:11:26 PM
#320:


VOTALS
Dumey [2]: Ulti, Crescent
Wallz [2]: Sultan, Ashethan
Sultan [2]: IGCD, Ben
Ashethan [1]: (Ulti), Corrik
Crescent [0]: (IGCD), (Sbell)

With 17 alive, there is a majority of 9 votes required to instantly condemn a player. Day 1 ends at 9:00 pm on Tuesday, October 31st. Day actions are due by 9:00 pm on Monday, October 30th. (Both times in Eastern US time zone, just under 32/8 hours from now, respectively)

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EDumey
10/30/23 1:11:34 PM
#321:


But again Wallz, I think the part I'm keying into here that you're not is that whether Ben's "reasons" for it are good or not, his enthusiasm over mind melding with other people and thinking it must be a town mindset is the thing that distinctly reads like Ben behavior to me


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PunishedBen
10/30/23 1:16:04 PM
#322:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I am falling asleep lol but.
1.sebll posted 4 times and none of which have much of anything and to have "picking up town Sbell" how? Where?

Peaf posted twice 1 mechanics thanks one just general comment
Coming off as awkward seems a bit much?

Like almost like oh shit I got called out on activity let me throw this together
Voting Walls for this reasoning seems like an immense overreaction. Regardless of what you think of Sbell, Walls only said he had good vibes from him. Meanwhile you have me, IGCD, and Ulti calling Sbell lock town. You voting Walls here seems more like an extension of you going after me than a genuine belief that Walls deserves a vote. With so many other people commenting that Sbell is town based on his posts, it makes no sense for you to have this stance that he's done nothing at this time

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PunishedBen
10/30/23 1:22:08 PM
#323:


EDumey posted...
As far as other reads go, I will say that I don't agree with Ben that SBell and IGCD are confirmed town because of their first posts. I think it's totally possible to have premeditated those reactions, especially since we have no idea what type of info scum team has. For all we know, they could have been told town was called SOLO QUEUE before the topic was even posted.

I do think that clearing people on something like that is a very standard Ben play though. Lean town on Ben specifically for that interaction.
Its confirmed that scum did know that. Still, i do not believe it makes sense for scum to come to the realization that they need to blend in by claiming they thought they were third party upon receiving the role. I think that is ONLY natural as a town reaction who actually saw "SOLO QUEUE" before seeing the alignment split. It takes a lot of hoops to jump through to make this play as scum. You really have to put your head in town's place to even have the reaction. Furthermore, I do not believe IGCD or Sbell are the players to jumnp through those hoops.

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/30/23 1:24:36 PM
#325:


Why does it feel like Ben completely forgot how I play? Like everything he is attacking me on its play style stuff

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Obellisk
10/30/23 1:26:56 PM
#326:


the funny thing about this game is that I am once again an early topic of conversation and this time it's in a good light, however ill still likely end up dead by d2.

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Leafeon13N
10/30/23 1:28:01 PM
#327:


Obellisk posted...
the funny thing about this game is that I am once again an early topic of conversation and this time it's in a good light, however ill still likely end up dead by d2.
The hell are you concerned about dying for?
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PunishedBen
10/30/23 1:29:04 PM
#328:


PeaceFrog posted...
I really hate this because who the fuck are you to say what scum has or has not been told
It was stated in the opening post. However, i did not read opening post when I said this. HOWEVER, i co-hosted isquen's last game and its standard to show mafia an example town vanilla PM

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EDumey
10/30/23 1:29:41 PM
#329:


Hear that SBell, Ben doesn't think you're clever enough to have an early D1 plan. Tell him he's wrong and how you could totally be scum this game if you wanted!

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Obellisk
10/30/23 1:30:48 PM
#330:


Leafeon13N posted...
The hell are you concerned about dying for?

why did that ruffle your feathers?

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PeaceFrog
10/30/23 1:31:57 PM
#331:


PunishedBen posted...
It was stated in the opening post. However, i did not read opening post when I said this. HOWEVER, i co-hosted isquen's last game and its standard to show mafia an example town vanilla PM
That's not at all what I'm talking about. But by following your own bit here, if mafia was told about it ahead of time (prior to game start) then there's nothing to say those reactions can't be manufactured as hell.

What I'm arguing is that if you are town, you can't know that isquen has not shared additional details with the scum team than what town has been told they know. Therefore if you know that scum has been told more than that opening post, you must be scum.

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PunishedBen
10/30/23 1:35:47 PM
#332:


PeaceFrog posted...
That's not at all what I'm talking about. But by following your own bit here, if mafia was told about it ahead of time (prior to game start) then there's nothing to say those reactions can't be manufactured as hell.

What I'm arguing is that if you are town, you can't know that isquen has not shared additional details with the scum team than what town has been told they know. Therefore if you know that scum has been told more than that opening post, you must be scum.
I'm fairly confident that scum members were not first sent a PM that stated "You are ___, SOLO QUEUE ___. Everything I am assuming I based on that.

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PeaceFrog
10/30/23 1:38:44 PM
#333:


What does the order matter? You think it would be different than if in the safelist discord channel, isquen said "hey here's a generic vanilla pm that you can look at" after they read their own pm's?

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PunishedBen
10/30/23 1:39:33 PM
#334:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Why does it feel like Ben completely forgot how I play? Like everything he is attacking me on its play style stuff
That is not my intended reasoning for attacking you. What is your interpretation of what I am going after you for?

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wallmasterz
10/30/23 1:42:17 PM
#335:


PunishedBen posted...
. HOWEVER, i co-hosted isquen's last game and its standard to show mafia an example town vanilla PM

PunishedBen posted...
I'm fairly confident that scum members were not first sent a PM that stated "You are ___, SOLO QUEUE ___. Everything I am assuming I based on that.

*thinking*

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/30/23 1:43:03 PM
#336:


PunishedBen posted...
That is not my intended reasoning for attacking you. What is your interpretation of what I am going after you for?

Seems like you don't like that I don't agree with auto clearing IGCD and Sbell. And don't like that I'm poking Wallz it's day one early votes usually are just ment to poke more than anything else

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PunishedBen
10/30/23 1:44:19 PM
#337:


PeaceFrog posted...
What does the order matter? You think it would be different than if in the safelist discord channel, isquen said "hey here's a generic vanilla pm that you can look at" after they read their own pm's?
Yes I think the reaction Sbell and IGCD had requires the specific scenario of being town, getting this PM, and having 3 seconds of thinking you are indy before scrolling down and seeing that it says you're town. I am banking on scum not having this reaction or idea at all. But that's my first layer of security. My second is that even if they did I dont think these specific players go through with it.

If it was Ulti who made that opening post I dont think I trust him as hard

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PunishedBen
10/30/23 1:45:42 PM
#338:


wallmasterz posted...
*thinking*
First sent. As in, the first thing scum saw was "GROUP QUEUE" or whatever, and thus did not think they were third party.

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/30/23 1:46:33 PM
#339:


Wallz post 335 is a good point.

Ben just admitted that scum would know that town was being called Survivors

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wallmasterz
10/30/23 1:47:40 PM
#340:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Wallz post 335 is a good point.

Ben just admitted that scum would know that town was being called Survivors

*thinking intensifies*

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/30/23 1:53:42 PM
#341:


##unvote

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/30/23 1:55:54 PM
#342:


Survivors and Killers each gain access to a selection of four perks, one burnt offering, and one item (for Survivors) and one power (set for each Killer.) Survivors and Killers both can use two add-ons to modify either their survivor item or Killer power, with the ultimate goal being one that benefits the Entity - feed off the hope of the survivors and the pain and death that the Killer inflicts before the Survivors reappear at the bonfire.

What does this mean from a Mafia game standpoint? Well, you have been chosen by the Entity and pulled into The Fog to play a game of hope. A game of fear. A game... of Mafia. Yes, there will be some broad strokes here. Just deal with it.

--Things that need further clarification below this point.--
TRAITS: Every player has received one to three "Traits" in lieu of roles. Some Traits may just be for flavor, some may have passive abilities attached to them, and some have activated abilities attached to them. If your Trait does not mention "take an action" then it is not an active ability.
ALIGNMENTS: Every player has been told SOLO QUEUE is the term for Town.

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htaeD
10/30/23 1:57:47 PM
#343:


Even if Ben showed that it wasnt actually a contradiction, I like Wallz for trying to point at it.
Though I dont believe most were trying to argue that anyway (that scum could have thought that they were survivors)
Just that any player is technically capable of faking that emotion...

That said
where did the actual name survivor come from?

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Obellisk
10/30/23 1:59:35 PM
#344:


htaeD posted...
where did the actual name survivor come from?

It comes from two Latin words: super, which means 'above, over, or beyond' and vivere, which means 'to live'.

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htaeD
10/30/23 1:59:41 PM
#345:


I mean yes I can see that the game calls them survivors, but correct me if I am wrong
But survivors are not always Solo Queue, right?

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/30/23 2:00:12 PM
#346:


Isquen posted...
"Survivor": One of the aforementioned four souls. They are humans from the past, present, and future who have been abducted by the Fog for one reason or another, and are stuck in a constant loop of bonfire -> Trial -> death or escape -> bonfire.
"Killer": The aforementioned lone soul. They also are humans or creatures from the past, present, future, or parallel dimensions. If they do not comply with the Entity and try to hunt down the Survivors, they get warped in some way, such as Evan MacMillan, also known as the Trapper, being tormented with hooks through his flesh. (Evan will not be appearing in this game, this is just for demonstration.)
Idk if rereading this is helpful or detrimental lol

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htaeD
10/30/23 2:00:53 PM
#347:


Obellisk posted...


It comes from two Latin words: super, which means 'above, over, or beyond' and vivere, which means 'to live'.

Dampnare, Sbell!
(Thats the latin for damn you? What a silly word)

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PunishedBen
10/30/23 2:01:00 PM
#348:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Seems like you don't like that I don't agree with auto clearing IGCD and Sbell. And don't like that I'm poking Wallz it's day one early votes usually are just ment to poke more than anything else
Alright Sultan, you didn't really answer my question about your Wallz vote, so I will phrase it in a new way.

POST #126
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I am falling asleep lol but.
1.sebll posted 4 times and none of which have much of anything and to have "picking up town Sbell" how? Where?



POST #186
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Far to early reads list beacuse I'm bored

Ashethan- very meh null but on the scum end
Chaeix / jc- town i think JC has probably been the most genuine player so far this game.
Corrik7 / Corrik- Corrik is being day 1 corrik so null
Crescent-Moon- if she is scum shes very good at it. This resembles the Town Crescent that i remember
EDumey / Dumey- meh? I think i get where Dumey is coming from with the questions but i also see where Creasent is coming from when it comes to be a little bit of fishing
Forceful_Dragon / FD- has he posted yet?
htaeD / Death- so far so good
IfGodCouldDie / IGCD- so far i think these jabs he has thrown look pretty town like.
Lea- odd for her to be so inactive but it is probablyNI
Obellisk / Sbell- town sbell alot of the things he is doing doesnt seem like something scum sbell woul do
Please show me the post between #126 and #186 that made you go from "Sbell has said nothing" and "Sbell town"

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PunishedBen
10/30/23 2:01:34 PM
#349:


For clarity, I'm looking for the Sbell post or posts that made you change your read

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Leafeon13N
10/30/23 2:02:56 PM
#350:


Obellisk posted...
why did that ruffle your feathers?
Honestly, just woke up a little grumpy and i wanted to sleep in.
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