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darkmaian23 10/29/23 2:14:59 AM #1:	Do you think that you are a self-made person? Do you think that your mistakes are your fault? Do you own up to them? Are you satisfied with your life? Do you think your path to satisfaction is somehow universal, and that other people will prosper if they do what you did? The amount of smug people on Reddit dispensing useless advice to people struggling with life is staggering. By all means, people should do whatever they can for a better life if they're not comfortable with the one they have. Genuine advice is always cool to see, but so many people just want to post about how successful they are, or how they survived X, Y, and Z hardships and how it is no big deal and you just need to "get tough" or some variant of that. The existence of suicides and homeless camps and various other states of "failure" indicate that, no, not everybody makes it, and I'd just dare somebody to say such people didn't try hard enough. I wonder how many people, for example, who claim to be making six figures online are actually just doing the minimum wage work they so look down on in their posts in reality. --- Cuteness is justice! It's the law. <cite>darkmaian23 posted [p:976916276] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Do you think that you are a self-made person?Do you think that your mistakes are your fault? Do you own up to them?Are you satisfied with your life? Do you think your path to satisfaction is somehow universal, and that other people will prosper if they do what you did?The amount of smug people on Reddit dispensing useless advice to people struggling with life is staggering. By all means, people should do whatever they can for a better life if they're not comfortable with the one they have. Genuine advice is always cool to see, but so many people just want to post about how successful they are, or how they survived X, Y, and Z hardships and how it is no big deal and you just need to "get tough" or some variant of that. The existence of suicides and homeless camps and various other states of "failure" indicate that, no, not everybody makes it, and I'd just dare somebody to say such people didn't try hard enough.I wonder how many people, for example, who claim to be making six figures online are actually just doing the minimum wage work they so look down on in their posts in reality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 10/29/23 2:18:14 AM #2:	The irony is that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" was an expression meant to ridicule this mentality, because it's technically impossible to actually perform such a feat. But conservatives and libertarians are not good at nuance or very clever, they are good at pretending privilege is merit and exploiting others into believing their difficulty is due to government existing or because marginalized people are holding them back. --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:976916298] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>The irony is that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" was an expression meant to ridicule this mentality, because it's technically impossible to actually perform such a feat.But conservatives and libertarians are not good at nuance or very clever, they are good at pretending privilege is merit and exploiting others into believing their difficulty is due to government existing or because marginalized people are holding them back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kai_Laguna 10/29/23 2:18:39 AM #3:	Hell no, most people that spout that shit are the people that have their own boot firmly planted on your back, preventing you from getting up. <cite>Kai_Laguna posted [p:976916304] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Hell no, most people that spout that shit are the people that have their own boot firmly planted on your back, preventing you from getting up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 10/29/23 2:21:12 AM #4:	I am very satisfied with life, but I recognize that this is in large part due to fortunate circumstances and the support I have received. I wouldn't dream of using the bootstraps line on anyone. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976916315] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I am very satisfied with life, but I recognize that this is in large part due to fortunate circumstances and the support I have received. I wouldn't dream of using the bootstraps line on anyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mercurydude 10/29/23 2:23:36 AM #5:	Considering that I always hear it from people who DIDN'T make it to where they are by their own effort, the answer is no. --- God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes, 'cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose. - Everlast <cite>mercurydude posted [p:976916329] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Considering that I always hear it from people who DIDN'T make it to where they are by their own effort, the answer is no. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 10/29/23 2:24:47 AM #6:	darkmaian23 posted... Do you think that you are a self-made person? Do you think that your mistakes are your fault? Do you own up to them? Are you satisfied with your life? Do you think your path to satisfaction is somehow universal, and that other people will prosper if they do what you did? I feel that Im about as self-made as it is possible to be, in that Ive come up from nothing and am very successful, but Im not going to pretend that this didnt require some lucky breaks alongside the hard work. I know that not all people will get that same luck. Its all too easy for people who have worked hard to convince themselves that their hard work is the only reason that they are successful, which then leads them to believe that anybody who is less successful just doesnt try as hard, but thats not reality. Nobody has ever gotten anywhere without some significant measure of luck. <cite>Glob posted [p:976916339] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>darkmaian23 posted... </cite><quote>Do you think that you are a self-made person?Do you think that your mistakes are your fault? Do you own up to them?Are you satisfied with your life? Do you think your path to satisfaction is somehow universal, and that other people will prosper if they do what you did?</quote>I feel that Im about as self-made as it is possible to be, in that Ive come up from nothing and am very successful, but Im not going to pretend that this didnt require some lucky breaks alongside the hard work. I know that not all people will get that same luck.Its all too easy for people who have worked hard to convince themselves that their hard work is the only reason that they are successful, which then leads them to believe that anybody who is less successful just doesnt try as hard, but thats not reality. Nobody has ever gotten anywhere without some significant measure of luck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 10/29/23 2:27:10 AM #7:	Glob posted... I feel that Im about as self-made as it is possible to be, in that Ive come up from nothing and am very successful, but Im not going to pretend that this didnt require some lucky breaks alongside the hard work. I know that not all people will get that same luck. Its all too easy for people who have worked hard to convince themselves that their hard work is the only reason that they are successful, which then leads them to believe that anybody who is less successful just doesnt try as hard, but thats not reality. Nobody has ever gotten anywhere without some significant measure of luck. The thing is, many people work their asses off and never get the breaks, other people have opportunities thrown at them, screw up royally over and over, and because of who they are and who they know... end up doing just fine anyway. --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:976916351] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>I feel that Im about as self-made as it is possible to be, in that Ive come up from nothing and am very successful, but Im not going to pretend that this didnt require some lucky breaks alongside the hard work. I know that not all people will get that same luck.Its all too easy for people who have worked hard to convince themselves that their hard work is the only reason that they are successful, which then leads them to believe that anybody who is less successful just doesnt try as hard, but thats not reality. Nobody has ever gotten anywhere without some significant measure of luck.</quote>The thing is, many people work their asses off and never get the breaks, other people have opportunities thrown at them, screw up royally over and over, and because of who they are and who they know... end up doing just fine anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 10/29/23 2:32:32 AM #8:	Torgo posted... The thing is, many people work their asses off and never get the breaks, other people have opportunities thrown at them, screw up royally over and over, and because of who they are and who they know... end up doing just fine anyway. I quite agree. Im not claiming that society is meritocratic. <cite>Glob posted [p:976916393] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted... </cite><quote>The thing is, many people work their asses off and never get the breaks, other people have opportunities thrown at them, screw up royally over and over, and because of who they are and who they know... end up doing just fine anyway.</quote>I quite agree. Im not claiming that society is meritocratic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joelypoely 10/29/23 2:50:41 AM #9:	Generally I can't really relate to that kind of mentality. Happiness/life satisfaction is such a variable thing dependent on so many factors, and while it can be tied to some objective measures of success, I don't think those measures necessarily define it. However, I'm a fan of the Sci-fi story By His Bootstraps by Robert Heinlein --- https://philoetryblog.wordpress.com/ <cite>Joelypoely posted [p:976916503] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Generally I can't really relate to that kind of mentality. Happiness/life satisfaction is such a variable thing dependent on so many factors, and while it can be tied to some objective measures of success, I don't think those measures necessarily define it.However, I'm a fan of the Sci-fi story By His Bootstraps by Robert Heinlein </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pnut027 10/29/23 2:53:51 AM #10:	No one got to where they are solely on their own. Everything we do is from the culmination of human knowledge and experience passed down for hundreds of thousands of years. --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at ONLY your job. <cite>pnut027 posted [p:976916527] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>No one got to where they are solely on their own. Everything we do is from the culmination of human knowledge and experience passed down for hundreds of thousands of years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 10/29/23 2:56:42 AM #11:	No, it's ridiculous. --- Heavy weight, one more stone... https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:976916544] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>No, it's ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 10/29/23 3:04:22 AM #12:	in effect, yes. however i dont agree with what the phrase has come to represent. basically, i believe in hard work. whatever you do <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:976916588] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>in effect, yes. however i dont agree with what the phrase has come to represent.basically, i believe in hard work. whatever you do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 10/29/23 3:07:50 AM #13:	No man is an island. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976916608] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>No man is an island. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MistyKnight 10/29/23 12:04:22 PM #14:	It's survivor bias and it's disgusting --- friend find, look behind <cite>MistyKnight posted [p:976920585] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>It's survivor bias and it's disgusting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tankboy 10/29/23 12:08:06 PM #15:	The term was originally (back in Horatio Alger times) intended to mock was what considered the obvious fantasy of being self-made. Over time, the rich started using it seriously and the origins were forgotten. <cite>tankboy posted [p:976920638] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>The term was originally (back in Horatio Alger times) intended to mock was what considered the obvious fantasy of being self-made. Over time, the rich started using it seriously and the origins were forgotten.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faizan_faizan 10/29/23 12:09:58 PM #16:	I don't follow that specifically but I believe in not worrying about things out of my control or inevitable things that there's literally nothing I can do about. You do what you can to improve your circumstances in every situation but at some point you will have to accept that it's useless to spend any amount of brain energy on things out of your control. --- Allergic to bull****. <cite>faizan_faizan posted [p:976920663] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I don't follow that specifically but I believe in not worrying about things out of my control or inevitable things that there's literally nothing I can do about. You do what you can to improve your circumstances in every situation but at some point you will have to accept that it's useless to spend any amount of brain energy on things out of your control. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 10/29/23 12:30:13 PM #17:	It's not a bad mentality to have at all. Some people may have better chances for opportunities afforded to them. Or they're so stubborn and practical they won't give up on their dreams no matter what, and will work all the way to the top. Unfortunately due to a wide variety of circumstances, not everyone can do it. And some people are eventually crushed by bad events and/or constant failures so they stop believing in themselves and their dreams. --- I'm just a girl who loves games <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:976920903] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>It's not a bad mentality to have at all. Some people may have better chances for opportunities afforded to them. Or they're so stubborn and practical they won't give up on their dreams no matter what, and will work all the way to the top.Unfortunately due to a wide variety of circumstances, not everyone can do it. And some people are eventually crushed by bad events and/or constant failures so they stop believing in themselves and their dreams. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
supercrono 10/29/23 12:38:49 PM #18:	I have a "make good smart as possible decisions" mentality which often leads to bootstraps, but not exclusively. --- Kids in the back seat cause accidents, accidents in the back seat cause kids. <cite>supercrono posted [p:976921022] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I have a "make good smart as possible decisions" mentality which often leads to bootstraps, but not exclusively. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 10/29/23 6:36:37 PM #19:	Lil_Bit83 posted... It's not a bad mentality to have at all. Some people may have better chances for opportunities afforded to them. Or they're so stubborn and practical they won't give up on their dreams no matter what, and will work all the way to the top. Unfortunately due to a wide variety of circumstances, not everyone can do it. And some people are eventually crushed by bad events and/or constant failures so they stop believing in themselves and their dreams. It may not be a bad mentality to apply to yourself if it motivates you to do well, but its a pretty poor mentality to use to judge others. <cite>Glob posted [p:976926973] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Lil_Bit83 posted... </cite><quote>It's not a bad mentality to have at all. Some people may have better chances for opportunities afforded to them. Or they're so stubborn and practical they won't give up on their dreams no matter what, and will work all the way to the top.Unfortunately due to a wide variety of circumstances, not everyone can do it. And some people are eventually crushed by bad events and/or constant failures so they stop believing in themselves and their dreams.</quote>It may not be a bad mentality to apply to yourself if it motivates you to do well, but its a pretty poor mentality to use to judge others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodMoon7 10/29/23 6:39:57 PM #20:	1. No 2. Yes. Yes. 3. No. No. --- My maid will hear about this. <cite>BloodMoon7 posted [p:976927031] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>1. No2. Yes. Yes.3. No. No. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 10/29/23 6:43:02 PM #21:	I'm not a horrible person brainwashed by propaganda from the rich, so no. It's just stupid justification of the rotten status quo from conservatives. They think if someone is struggling, it's not because of income inequality, price gouging by the rich, the lack of a good social safety net, and other things that keep the non-rich down, but it's only because those struggling are just lazy. Also, a lot of people with that mentality come from privilege or defend those with privilege like Musk, Trump, Gates, Bezos, etc. --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:976927093] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I'm not a horrible person brainwashed by propaganda from the rich, so no. It's just stupid justification of the rotten status quo from conservatives. They think if someone is struggling, it's not because of income inequality, price gouging by the rich, the lack of a good social safety net, and other things that keep the non-rich down, but it's only because those struggling are just lazy.Also, a lot of people with that mentality come from privilege or defend those with privilege like Musk, Trump, Gates, Bezos, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KnightofShikari 10/29/23 6:46:27 PM #22:	"have you tried just not being poor?" --- The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States <cite>KnightofShikari posted [p:976927157] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>"have you tried just not being poor?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 10/29/23 6:51:48 PM #23:	Yes, yes, and yes. Though while I get much of the advice can rub people the wrong way many still came from the same place they did and have genuinely good advice to give. What I hate more than anything though are users who ask for help only to dismiss it all and make up excuses why it wont help. Idk why they even asked if their such experts on the matter. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:976927228] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Yes, yes, and yes. Though while I get much of the advice can rub people the wrong way many still came from the same place they did and have genuinely good advice to give.What I hate more than anything though are users who ask for help only to dismiss it all and make up excuses why it wont help. Idk why they even asked if their such experts on the matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Notti 11/01/23 3:13:54 AM #25:	Prismsblade posted... What I hate more than anything though are users who ask for help only to dismiss it all and make up excuses why it wont help. Idk why they even asked if their such experts on the matter. What makes you think your advice is so good that people just have to do what you say? Yes. People can ask for advice, consider it, and dismiss it. Often because your advice was already tried or has obvious flaws. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976969904] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted...<quote>What I hate more than anything though are users who ask for help only to dismiss it all and make up excuses why it wont help. Idk why they even asked if their such experts on the matter.</quote>What makes you think your advice is so good that people just have to do what you say? Yes. People can ask for advice, consider it, and dismiss it. Often because your advice was already tried or has obvious flaws. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 11/01/23 3:23:16 AM #26:	Schwarzenegger has gone on the record against the very concept of the self-made man. The closest I'll come to this is that you should always be trying, even if it's trying just to try. But that's never any sort of guarantee, not even close. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:976969943] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Schwarzenegger has gone on the record against the very concept of the self-made man.The closest I'll come to this is that you should always be trying, even if it's trying just to try. But that's never any sort of guarantee, not even close. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 11/01/23 3:43:28 AM #27:	Notti posted... No man is an island. Except island reinhold <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:976970060] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Notti posted... </cite><quote>No man is an island.</quote>Except island reinhold </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 11/01/23 3:44:58 AM #28:	Notti posted... Prismsblade posted... What makes you think your advice is so good that people just have to do what you say? Yes. People can ask for advice, consider it, and dismiss it. Often because your advice was already tried or has obvious flaws. This is sometimes true. Its also true that some people dont actually want help and just want people to validate their failures for them and tell them that nothing is their fault, regardless of the truth of it. Im honestly not sure which is more common. <cite>Glob posted [p:976970068] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Notti posted... </cite><quote>Prismsblade posted...What makes you think your advice is so good that people just have to do what you say? Yes. People can ask for advice, consider it, and dismiss it. Often because your advice was already tried or has obvious flaws.</quote>This is sometimes true. Its also true that some people dont actually want help and just want people to validate their failures for them and tell them that nothing is their fault, regardless of the truth of it. Im honestly not sure which is more common.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 11/01/23 6:04:04 AM #29:	I believe that betting on yourself is the only real solution to success, but I dont believe you can just miraculously overcome certain overwhelming circumstances because you want it badly enough. So, no, I guess? --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:976970798] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I believe that betting on yourself is the only real solution to success, but I dont believe you can just miraculously overcome certain overwhelming circumstances because you want it badly enough.So, no, I guess? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zwijn 11/01/23 6:16:34 AM #30:	ai123 posted... I am very satisfied with life, but I recognize that this is in large part due to fortunate circumstances and the support I have received. I wouldn't dream of using the bootstraps line on anyone. <cite>Zwijn posted [p:976970889] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>I am very satisfied with life, but I recognize that this is in large part due to fortunate circumstances and the support I have received. I wouldn't dream of using the bootstraps line on anyone.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerrillaSoldier 11/01/23 6:21:19 AM #31:	i don't believe in wearing boots --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>GuerrillaSoldier posted [p:976970919] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>i don't believe in wearing boots </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 11/01/23 7:30:19 AM #32:	My life makes absolutely no sense in the amount of lucky breaks ive gotten. It's to the point where many other people have accused me of being the main character. While I've earned a lot on my own merit, a ton of shit has been literally handed to me by happenstance. That doesn't happen for most people. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:976971428] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>My life makes absolutely no sense in the amount of lucky breaks ive gotten. It's to the point where many other people have accused me of being the main character. While I've earned a lot on my own merit, a ton of shit has been literally handed to me by happenstance. That doesn't happen for most people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 11/01/23 7:34:47 AM #33:	Only psychologically. Materialistically one is always dependent on others finding value in one's time, skill or product. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976971456] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Only psychologically.Materialistically one is always dependent on others finding value in one's time, skill or product. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExtremeLuchador 11/01/23 8:16:47 AM #34:	Reddit is supposedly full of undersea skyscraper electric plumber welders who make over $100,000. Yet they still have time to farm 500,000 comment karma making posts that lack empathy and trash you for asking for advice. My oldest account there is from 2011 and doesn't even have 2,000 comments. --- "It was horrible," guard Jeff McInnis said. "I took 100 naps and we were still in the air." <cite>ExtremeLuchador posted [p:976971851] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Reddit is supposedly full of undersea skyscraper electric plumber welders who make over $100,000. Yet they still have time to farm 500,000 comment karma making posts that lack empathy and trash you for asking for advice. My oldest account there is from 2011 and doesn't even have 2,000 comments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeggetaX 11/01/23 8:21:12 AM #35:	ExtremeLuchador posted... Reddit is supposedly full of undersea skyscraper electric plumber welders who make over $100,000. Yet they still have time to farm 500,000 comment karma making posts that lack empathy and trash you for asking for advice. My oldest account there is from 2011 and doesn't even have 2,000 comments. Reddit is full of larpers. Escapism to the extreme. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>VeggetaX posted [p:976971898] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>ExtremeLuchador posted... </cite><quote>Reddit is supposedly full of undersea skyscraper electric plumber welders who make over $100,000. Yet they still have time to farm 500,000 comment karma making posts that lack empathy and trash you for asking for advice. My oldest account there is from 2011 and doesn't even have 2,000 comments.</quote>Reddit is full of larpers. Escapism to the extreme. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 11/01/23 8:22:23 AM #36:	"Influencer" only getting 500.000 impressions or whatever it's called: "What thee fakk is with this woke algorithm?!" Me getting a notification on GF: "Oh crap what did I do this time" --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976971912] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>"Influencer" only getting 500.000 impressions or whatever it's called: "What thee fakk is with this woke algorithm?!"Me getting a notification on GF:"Oh crap what did I do this time" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 11/01/23 8:29:17 AM #37:	Your own personal choices matter, and nobody succeeds completely on their own. I have a good career. I would have never gotten there if I didn't work my ass off to do it. I also would have never gotten there if it wasn't for the support of others - individuals in my life and resources that society made available to me. Both of those things can be and are true. So, yes, you need to be willing to do the work to succeed. But that isn't a reason not to recognize that achieving success is much, much harder for some people than it is for others due to circumstances that are completely out of their control. And that we can and should be doing much better as a society to give everyone a good shot a making a decent life for themselves. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:976971968] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Your own personal choices matter, and nobody succeeds completely on their own. I have a good career. I would have never gotten there if I didn't work my ass off to do it. I also would have never gotten there if it wasn't for the support of others - individuals in my life and resources that society made available to me. Both of those things can be and are true.So, yes, you need to be willing to do the work to succeed. But that isn't a reason not to recognize that achieving success is much, much harder for some people than it is for others due to circumstances that are completely out of their control. And that we can and should be doing much better as a society to give everyone a good shot a making a decent life for themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 11/01/23 8:30:22 AM #38:	UnsteadyOwl posted... Your own personal choices matter, and nobody succeeds completely on their own. I have a good career. I would have never gotten there if I didn't work my ass off to do it. I also would have never gotten there if it wasn't for the support of others - individuals in my life and resources that society made available to me. Both of those things can be and are true. So, yes, you need to be willing to do the work to succeed. But that isn't a reason not to recognize that achieving success is much, much harder for some people than it is for others due to circumstances that are completely out of their control. And that we can and should be doing much better as a society to give everyone a good shot a making a decent life for themselves. Well said. <cite>Glob posted [p:976971982] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>UnsteadyOwl posted... </cite><quote>Your own personal choices matter, and nobody succeeds completely on their own. I have a good career. I would have never gotten there if I didn't work my ass off to do it. I also would have never gotten there if it wasn't for the support of others - individuals in my life and resources that society made available to me. Both of those things can be and are true.So, yes, you need to be willing to do the work to succeed. But that isn't a reason not to recognize that achieving success is much, much harder for some people than it is for others due to circumstances that are completely out of their control. And that we can and should be doing much better as a society to give everyone a good shot a making a decent life for themselves.</quote>Well said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 11/01/23 8:30:47 AM #39:	No I'm normal --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:976971985] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>No I'm normal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 11/01/23 8:30:48 AM #40:	While I think there's a very staunch difference in success that is proportional to how much effort you put in, the amount of success you can ultimately glean comes down to a number of factors. A not insignificant factor being luck. --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:976971986] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>While I think there's a very staunch difference in success that is proportional to how much effort you put in, the amount of success you can ultimately glean comes down to a number of factors. A not insignificant factor being luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
God_of_6strings 11/01/23 8:42:51 AM #41:	I DON'T believe in the victim mentality, I'll tell you that much. <cite>God_of_6strings posted [p:976972118] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I DON'T believe in the victim mentality, I'll tell you that much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 11/01/23 9:28:08 AM #42:	Notti posted... Prismsblade posted... What makes you think your advice is so good that people just have to do what you say? Yes. People can ask for advice, consider it, and dismiss it. Often because your advice was already tried or has obvious flaws. I personally dont believe thats the case often. Some people are just defeatist types whove given up. Which is sad, but whatever. Though I sont appreciate them wasting others times though as if they havent. fortunately they arent hard to identify and call out usually. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:976972612] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Notti posted... </cite><quote>Prismsblade posted...What makes you think your advice is so good that people just have to do what you say? Yes. People can ask for advice, consider it, and dismiss it. Often because your advice was already tried or has obvious flaws.</quote>I personally dont believe thats the case often.Some people are just defeatist types whove given up. Which is sad, but whatever. Though I sont appreciate them wasting others times though as if they havent.fortunately they arent hard to identify and call out usually. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchNemo 11/01/23 9:35:21 AM #43:	I believe there's no one size fits all solution to problems like this. There are plenty of people who will get "just suck it up" advice and thrive on it. Many won't and will require help. The problem is thinking your advice fits anyone other than you and giving it out as more than a "Here's what works for me and maybe it'll work for you as well" --- Down with the Signess. <cite>ArchNemo posted [p:976972690] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I believe there's no one size fits all solution to problems like this. There are plenty of people who will get "just suck it up" advice and thrive on it. Many won't and will require help. The problem is thinking your advice fits anyone other than you and giving it out as more than a "Here's what works for me and maybe it'll work for you as well" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 11/01/23 9:37:21 AM #44:	Prismsblade posted... Some people are just defeatist types whove given up. Which is sad, but whatever. Though I sont appreciate them wasting others times though as if they havent. Wasting how? --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976972709] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>Some people are just defeatist types whove given up. Which is sad, but whatever. Though I sont appreciate them wasting others times though as if they havent.</quote>Wasting how? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 11/01/23 9:39:05 AM #45:	ExtremeLuchador posted... Reddit is supposedly full of undersea skyscraper electric plumber welders who make over $100,000. Yet they still have time to farm 500,000 comment karma making posts that lack empathy and trash you for asking for advice. My oldest account there is from 2011 and doesn't even have 2,000 comments. Same for all the doctors and lawyers who spend tons of time on the internet, especially here on Gamefaqs. Man, I always though folks like that were always busy. Wild. --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:976972740] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>ExtremeLuchador posted... </cite><quote>Reddit is supposedly full of undersea skyscraper electric plumber welders who make over $100,000. Yet they still have time to farm 500,000 comment karma making posts that lack empathy and trash you for asking for advice. My oldest account there is from 2011 and doesn't even have 2,000 comments.</quote>Same for all the doctors and lawyers who spend tons of time on the internet, especially here on Gamefaqs. Man, I always though folks like that were always busy. Wild. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 11/01/23 9:40:38 AM #46:	Southernfatman posted... Same for all the doctors and lawyers who spend tons of time on the internet, especially here on Gamefaqs. Man, I always though folks like that were always busy. Wild. They should have just become engineers. They seem to know everything. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976972760] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Southernfatman posted... </cite><quote>Same for all the doctors and lawyers who spend tons of time on the internet, especially here on Gamefaqs. Man, I always though folks like that were always busy. Wild.</quote>They should have just become engineers. They seem to know everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 11/01/23 9:46:46 AM #47:	That saying is just an excuse by the Bible-thumping right to avoid actually helping others. --- Insert some witty line here <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:976972850] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>That saying is just an excuse by the Bible-thumping right to avoid actually helping others. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 11/01/23 9:47:58 AM #48:	I'll say that at least for me random people on message boards were not helpful to me in getting my life together. Even advice from friends and family didn't help that much. They meant well and their moral support was great, but in terms of specific actionable advice they really couldn't help. What helped me was seeking out experts in the fields were I needed help. I went to a therapist to work out my personal issues, to a career coach to figure out a career plan, and talked to people in the field I wanted to go into about what they did. Talking with those people helped me immensely. edit: I guess what I want to say from this is if you're going to message boards and really want to help people do better in their lives, unless you are a professional in a particular area it's probably better for advice to be less "Here's what you should do" and more "Here's where you can find the resources that will help you". --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:976972863] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I'll say that at least for me random people on message boards were not helpful to me in getting my life together. Even advice from friends and family didn't help that much. They meant well and their moral support was great, but in terms of specific actionable advice they really couldn't help.What helped me was seeking out experts in the fields were I needed help. I went to a therapist to work out my personal issues, to a career coach to figure out a career plan, and talked to people in the field I wanted to go into about what they did. Talking with those people helped me immensely.edit: I guess what I want to say from this is if you're going to message boards and really want to help people do better in their lives, unless you are a professional in a particular area it's probably better for advice to be less "Here's what you should do" and more "Here's where you can find the resources that will help you". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 11/04/23 6:28:10 AM #49:	Prismsblade posted... I personally dont believe thats the case often. Some people are just defeatist types whove given up. Which is sad, but whatever. Though I sont appreciate them wasting others times though as if they havent. fortunately they arent hard to identify and call out usually. I dont see the problem really. People ask for suggestions, not ask for commands. How is this really even wasting ones time regardless? We can talk about the weather instead. Just as much a waste of time. I think even if people are just frustrated and want to talk about their life, ask advice, and NOT follow advice as if it's some command, what's the problem? Seems more it's the advice giver feeling insulted like their genius advice was not immediately acted upon. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:977024986] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted...<quote>I personally dont believe thats the case often.Some people are just defeatist types whove given up. Which is sad, but whatever. Though I sont appreciate them wasting others times though as if they havent.fortunately they arent hard to identify and call out usually.</quote>I dont see the problem really. People ask for suggestions, not ask for commands.How is this really even wasting ones time regardless? We can talk about the weather instead. Just as much a waste of time. I think even if people are just frustrated and want to talk about their life, ask advice, and NOT follow advice as if it's some command, what's the problem? Seems more it's the advice giver feeling insulted like their genius advice was not immediately acted upon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 11/05/23 12:40:31 AM #50:	I believe in actually trying to get ahead in life on your own work I'm merits. But no shame in asking for help when needed. I work night shift and it makes some things difficult so I've asked for help plenty on that. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:977040369] in Do you bel... [t:80605764]...</cite> <quote>I believe in actually trying to get ahead in life on your own work I'm merits. But no shame in asking for help when needed. I work night shift and it makes some things difficult so I've asked for help plenty on that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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