Board 8 > Most Evil Fictional Character: Cioccolata vs. Carnage

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Welcome to the 2023 edition of Most Evil Fictional Character, a single-elimination tournament to determine the most evil fictional character of all time!

Here's the bracket:

https://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=477621&tclass=

And here's the discussion topic:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80568652

And here are the rules:

-First and foremost, YOU MUST BOLD YOUR VOTE FOR IT TO COUNT. The reason for this is that these topics encourage a lot of discussion and debate, and it helps me to distinguish a vote from simple discussion if all votes are bolded. So, I state again, ALL VOTES MUST BE BOLDED FOR THEM TO COUNT. I reserve the right to be lenient in early topics if people just aren't getting it, but for the most part, IF YOUR VOTE ISN'T BOLDED, IT WON'T COUNT.

-You must vote for which of the two characters you honestly believe to be the more evil of the two. You can determine this via any method you like, use your own morals and judgement, read all the arguments made to determine your choice, or however you choose to make your pick, but you must only vote for the one you truly believe is the most evil. This isn't a death battle, or a popularity contest. You're voting ONLY for the most evil character out of the two choices presented.

-While on that subject, remember that because this isn't a death battle or a fighting tournament, do your absolute best to consider the two characters as if their power levels were equal (either the weaker character brought up to the level of the strongest, or vice versa, or both if you want to consider both possibilities). Therefore, just because, for example, one of the characters blew up a planet and the other one merely kicked a puppy, doesn't necessarily mean the planet killer is more evil than the puppy kicker. Consider the characters as if they have the exact same capabilities and what they might do in that scenario.

-You can make any arguments, debates, etc. you want in this topic. Discussion is STRONGLY encouraged, a fun debate about which of the two characters is most evil is exactly what these topics are for. Just don't make it personal, no insults or flaming, keep things civil even if you disagree. Also, no vote rallying, if you want to encourage people to vote for your character you need to at least make some semblance of an argument as to why, even if it's just "Character X did (really dastardly thing), I can't believe no one's voting for them!"

-Voting will continue for exactly 24 hours after the post is made. If there's a tie, there will be a new 24 hour topic. This will continue indefinitely until a winner is determined.

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The following write-ups will contain untagged SPOILERS for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Marvel Comics.

CIOCCOLATA

Cioccolata is an antagonist from the anime and manga Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, and the Playstation 2 game GioGio's Bizarre Adventure.

According to Diavolo, Cioccolata was a former surgeon dismissed from his hospital for a medical accident two years before the start of Vento Aureo. There are four cases in which Cioccolata misdiagnosed people to perform surgery on them.Two years before the events of Vento Aureo, Cioccolata killed one of his patients. He was caught and sacked, but his deliberate murder was nonetheless mistaken as an accident. The anime version shows that the patient has had his stomach cut open and his innards played with by Cioccolata. He would sometimes limit their anesthetics so the patients would regain consciousness mid-operation, allowing him to delight in the patient's suffering and death. Cioccolata is a skilled, manipulative sadist. Cioccolata is extremely cruel, aside from killing patients and emotionally abusing elders into committing suicide. The addition of his stand, Green Day, highlights his callous nature--infecting anybody with its remorseless, flesh-eating mold. Even Diavolo is reluctant to dispatch him to get rid of Bucciarati's group and is considered a monster by members of Passione. Cioccolata is driven by his morbid curiosity, insisting on recording every death he witnesses and enjoying every single moment, as he claims these are for his own personal progress as a surgeon. His sadism gives him enough ruthlessness to even endanger Giorno and Mista. Cioccolata is also prone to gloating, presenting his philosophy of one's own progress at the first opportunity and expressing his enjoyment at others' suffering loudly.

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CARNAGE

Carnage is a major antagonist and enemy of Spider-Man and also the primary archenemy of Eddie Brock's Venom.

Carnage belongs to a race of amorphous parasitic extraterrestrial organisms known as Symbiotes, which form a symbiotic bond with their hosts and give them super-human abilities. Originating as an offspring of Venom, Carnage is much more powerful than its parent symbiote because of the symbiotes' biology, and is in many ways a darker version of him. Like Venom, Carnage has had multiple hosts over the years, but its most infamous one remains its first killer Cletus Kasady, whose sadistic personality perfectly matches that of the symbiote. The Venom symbiote had been about to spawn as a response to Thanos seeking the Infinity Gems, and left its offspring - the 999th of its lineage - behind. The newborn symbiote sought out the nearest available host, latching onto Kasady and entering into his body through a cut on his hand, where it amalgamated with his blood. Transformed into a black-and-red monster, Kasady dubbed himself "Carnage" and went on a months-long killing spree, leaving the message "Carnage Rules" written in blood at the scene of each murder he committed. Unlike its parent, the Carnage symbiote is both submissive and fiercely loyal to its host, to the point of usually operating as little more than an extension of Cletus Kasady's body and will. However, it possesses a mind of its own, occasionally bickering with Cletus on the rare occasions they disagree. It is utterly devoted to Cletus and his nihilistic ideology, to the point that when it is bonded to someone other than him it will forcibly take control of its new host and often forces Cletus' memories onto them as a form of psychological torture. The symbiote has also coaxed Cletus into embarking on megalomaniacal ventures, such as his attempted conquest of Doverton and the Microverse. Due to Cletus - a diagnosed sociopathic spree killer - being its first host, the symbiote possesses unprecedented bloodlust and gleefully revels in killing everything it encounters. However, Norman Osborn posits that it has grown bored with wholesale slaughter and when he offers to teach it more nuanced ways of inflicting suffering and death the symbiote eagerly accepts.

Pretty tough matchup between two nutjobs who care about their partners. Having checked a little more into it, I dunno about stressing that stint where Carnage tried being good as that was magically induced by someone else (although a character who could go through a similar situation and still remain evil anyway / ignore it might get more points, but that's irrelevant here).

Going to hold off for more arguments from those with more familiarity with both, but currently I am leaning toward Cioccolata. Both of them are horrible mass killers, but Carnage appears to usually be all about immediacy. He doesn't really care much outside of just killing who he feels like in a usually quick and brutal fashion and is generally chaotic in nature.

Cioccolata is more sadistic, aiming to cause more suffering and also getting in on mental abuse. I guess you could argue the "progress as a surgeon" part but that seems more "progress as a sadistic piece of shit".

Plus the relationship between Cioccolata and Secco seems more screwy compared to Carnage and Cletus.

Cioccolata

Just a lot more sadistic and never does good. Also unlike Dio, his evil is played 100% straight and for drama not over the top camp.

Cioccolata


There's something extra despicable about being an evil surgeon, man.

I think I'll have to vote Carnage

Not much else in terms of arguments/discussion so:
Cioccolata