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Garabandal 10/19/23 5:15:08 PM #1:	Why aren't there any who lean left (as in they always say "both sides are bad" but they'll only criticize the right)? --- Two centuries... A mere blink upon the face of eternity... <cite>Garabandal posted [p:976750320] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Why aren't there any who lean left (as in they always say "both sides are bad" but they'll only criticize the right)? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 10/19/23 5:16:01 PM #2:	Because the right can't actually defend their positions and always have to resort to dirty tactics and lying and pose as "centrists". --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:976750337] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Because the right can't actually defend their positions and always have to resort to dirty tactics and lying and pose as "centrists". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myusernameislame 10/19/23 5:18:15 PM #3:	Because even if you're generous enough to call Democrats center left, the center between center left and extreme right is still pretty far right. <cite>myusernameislame posted [p:976750375] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Because even if you're generous enough to call Democrats center left, the center between center left and extreme right is still pretty far right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IceCreamOnStero 10/19/23 5:18:16 PM #4:	Because the centre between the American left (centre) and the American right (right) is a moderate right wing position. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:976750376] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Because the centre between the American left (centre) and the American right (right) is a moderate right wing position. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 10/19/23 5:19:41 PM #5:	They aren't centrists they are just saying it to trigger and annoy liberals. And it works. <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:976750398] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>They aren't centrists they are just saying it to trigger and annoy liberals. And it works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 10/19/23 5:19:55 PM #6:	Because the right know their position, and the like minded, are embarrassing. Just like they often jump to new accounts. They are trying to take advantage of being thought of as "a random person", rather than "a derplorable". Because 0 history > awful history. This is also why they hate tags. They don't want history following them. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976750399] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Because the right know their position, and the like minded, are embarrassing. Just like they often jump to new accounts. They are trying to take advantage of being thought of as "a random person", rather than "a derplorable". Because 0 history > awful history.This is also why they hate tags. They don't want history following them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 10/19/23 5:22:20 PM #7:	No one who looks at things from an actual unbiased perspective would conclude that conservatives aren't any worse than liberals. The people who will try to contest that statement are free to post some equally repugnant positions between the two, but they won't. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:976750448] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>No one who looks at things from an actual unbiased perspective would conclude that conservatives aren't any worse than liberals.The people who will try to contest that statement are free to post some equally repugnant positions between the two, but they won't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 10/19/23 5:23:03 PM #8:	They are instinctively right-leaning, but prefer the 'centrist' label, as they believe it indicates that they are above the 'politics as team sport' mentality and able to appreciate 'nuance' (a word that is used often, but almost never correctly). --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976750456] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>They are instinctively right-leaning, but prefer the 'centrist' label, as they believe it indicates that they are above the 'politics as team sport' mentality and able to appreciate 'nuance' (a word that is used often, but almost never correctly). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 10/19/23 5:24:42 PM #9:	They know they lose in a fight, so, they realize settling for a draw is still to their advantage. They pretend to be neutral and non biased, so you lower your defenses and they can Trojan in. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976750484] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>They know they lose in a fight, so, they realize settling for a draw is still to their advantage.They pretend to be neutral and non biased, so you lower your defenses and they can Trojan in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
haloiscoolisbak 10/19/23 5:28:32 PM #10:	It is concerning how many centrists spend 99% of their time criticising the left and not the right when in theory it should be 50-50, but I believe as a concept it can exist. In non political situations having a balanced, consider both sides of an argument mentality is ideal How many times in life have you had 2 friends argue over something (non political) and seen them both make good points --- Started from the bottom now we here <cite>haloiscoolisbak posted [p:976750559] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>It is concerning how many centrists spend 99% of their time criticising the left and not the right when in theory it should be 50-50, but I believe as a concept it can exist. In non political situations having a balanced, consider both sides of an argument mentality is idealHow many times in life have you had 2 friends argue over something (non political) and seen them both make good points </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 10/19/23 5:28:44 PM #11:	I'd argue there are definitely many enlightened left leaning individuals that both sides things, but have a tendency to attack the right more than the left. Cenk being an example. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976750564] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>I'd argue there are definitely many enlightened left leaning individuals that both sides things, but have a tendency to attack the right more than the left.Cenk being an example. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Link_of_time 10/19/23 5:29:36 PM #12:	They're all just right wingers who think they're smart enough to ditch the baggage of that label. <cite>Link_of_time posted [p:976750579] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>They're all just right wingers who think they're smart enough to ditch the baggage of that label.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoyoteTheGreat 10/19/23 5:30:09 PM #13:	asdf8562 posted... I'd argue there are definitely some enlightened left leaning individuals that both sides things, but have a tendency to attack the right more than the left. "I'd argue" isn't an argument though. You haven't put forward one name. --- Disobedience is the stamp of the hero. -Ragnar Redbeard Also, this is Kagata.. <cite>CoyoteTheGreat posted [p:976750586] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite><quote>I'd argue there are definitely some enlightened left leaning individuals that both sides things, but have a tendency to attack the right more than the left.</quote>"I'd argue" isn't an argument though. You haven't put forward one name. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 10/19/23 5:31:10 PM #14:	The actual answer is that because you, TC, more than likely frequent spaces that lean left, the centrist is seen criticizing the left to you. Right wing rhetoric probably already gets pushback in your spaces. If this centrist is placed in a right leaning environment, theyll more than likely push back there. But its easier to just assume everyone is a grifter or something ig. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:976750602] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>The actual answer is that because you, TC, more than likely frequent spaces that lean left, the centrist is seen criticizing the left to you. Right wing rhetoric probably already gets pushback in your spaces. If this centrist is placed in a right leaning environment, theyll more than likely push back there. But its easier to just assume everyone is a grifter or something ig. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 10/19/23 5:34:02 PM #15:	CoyoteTheGreat posted... "I'd argue" isn't an argument though. You haven't put forward one name. Brianna Gray Cenk Take a stroll over to Rose Twitter. The types who say there's no point to voting but lean left. Left leaning individuals who find a way to "both sides" Democrats somehow being just as bad as Republicans. Especially if a legislation isn't 100% to their liking, or using an all or nothing mentality. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976750649] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>CoyoteTheGreat posted... </cite><quote>"I'd argue" isn't an argument though. You haven't put forward one name.</quote>Brianna GrayCenkTake a stroll over to Rose Twitter.The types who say there's no point to voting but lean left.Left leaning individuals who find a way to "both sides" Democrats somehow being just as bad as Republicans. Especially if a legislation isn't 100% to their liking, or using an all or nothing mentality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inohira 10/19/23 5:37:47 PM #17:	There are, people just ignore it when they call out the right. Everyone but the right is calling out the right, so a centrist doing it just blends into the crowd. They stand out more when they criticize the left, and then the left accuses them of being conservatives for criticizing it. There are a lot of right-wingers posing as centrists as well, but they don't make up the whole group. It's an exaggerated thing. --- 1 line break(s), 121 characters allowed <cite>Inohira posted [p:976750701] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>There are, people just ignore it when they call out the right. Everyone but the right is calling out the right, so a centrist doing it just blends into the crowd. They stand out more when they criticize the left, and then the left accuses them of being conservatives for criticizing it.There are a lot of right-wingers posing as centrists as well, but they don't make up the whole group. It's an exaggerated thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 10/19/23 5:39:57 PM #18:	Because the right is so obviously wicked on the face of it, whereas the left is more subtle with theirs. --- How quaint. <cite>C_Pain posted [p:976750747] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Because the right is so obviously wicked on the face of it, whereas the left is more subtle with theirs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inohira 10/19/23 5:41:10 PM #19:	RedWhiteBlue posted... The worst is when you can't say both sides are bad so let's move even further left. Like, yeah, one side is less bad than the other. But it's still fucking dogshit. Doesn't mean we shouldn't go full steam ahead and move the population to the left fast, rather than over several generations (time that we don't have in regards to power and tech being in the hands of the elite). Plenty of people do that. They still get accused of being right-wing, somehow. Just the act of insulting both parties gets you labeled right-wing, even if you believe they're both too corporate and militaristic. --- 1 line break(s), 121 characters allowed <cite>Inohira posted [p:976750767] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite><quote>The worst is when you can't say both sides are bad so let's move even further left.Like, yeah, one side is less bad than the other. But it's still fucking dogshit. Doesn't mean we shouldn't go full steam ahead and move the population to the left fast, rather than over several generations (time that we don't have in regards to power and tech being in the hands of the elite).</quote>Plenty of people do that. They still get accused of being right-wing, somehow. Just the act of insulting both parties gets you labeled right-wing, even if you believe they're both too corporate and militaristic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 10/22/23 6:42:22 AM #20:	Here is Ben Shapiro literally telling his readers to lie and pretend to be centrist, to "defeat leftists" https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/7/AAABTgAAE9fp.jpg --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976794648] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Here is Ben Shapiro literally telling his readers to lie and pretend to be centrist, to "defeat leftists"https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/7/AAABTgAAE9fp.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/22/23 7:29:59 AM #21:	Inohira posted... There are, people just ignore it when they call out the right. Hmm. I admit, I cant think of any specific examples --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976794935] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Inohira posted... </cite><quote>There are, people just ignore it when they call out the right.</quote>Hmm. I admit, I cant think of any specific examples </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 10/22/23 7:42:08 AM #22:	Look, it's pretty simple, if you claim to be a centrist and yet all you do is bitch about Dems/the left for things that they aren't responsible for or have no control over, you're gonna get called out. People who don't have the memory of a goldfish can rather easily recognize posting patterns of regular posters and it's not hard to connect dots when you frequent a board that discusses politics. Personally, I also feel like it helps the mainstream media narrative objective of giving Republicans passes for being Christo-fascists objectively trying to steal our rights and freedoms away because of their religious beliefs centering around bigotry for some milquetoast criticism of Democrats. To me, it's like if it were World War ll and after Hitler just got done destroying an entire town, the Allies accidentally destroyed a hospital. If the citizens are only complaining about the hospital and not addressing the entire town that was massacred, it's going to make people ask questions. At the very least if you want to seem true then you'd criticize both. If this were the 90s then ok, fine, whatever, but it's not and due to how shitty the political landscape and general electorate is in the U.S., I think people are quite justified in being annoyed only ever hearing shit talked about the Dems for mundane/far-fetched goals when actual Christo-fascists are seizing control of state governments and working their way towards having control of 2/3rd of states, which would allow for them to call for a Cons. Convention that would possibly open the door to altering the Cons. to reflect their Christo-fascism. When these fuckers control the highest court of the land and have already rolled back equality and rights. When they control many state Supreme/Circuit courts which are doing the same, or as TX's 9th circuit shows, sometimes even being worse than the USSC. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:976795022] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Look, it's pretty simple, if you claim to be a centrist and yet all you do is bitch about Dems/the left for things that they aren't responsible for or have no control over, you're gonna get called out.People who don't have the memory of a goldfish can rather easily recognize posting patterns of regular posters and it's not hard to connect dots when you frequent a board that discusses politics. Personally, I also feel like it helps the mainstream media narrative objective of giving Republicans passes for being Christo-fascists objectively trying to steal our rights and freedoms away because of their religious beliefs centering around bigotry for some milquetoast criticism of Democrats.To me, it's like if it were World War ll and after Hitler just got done destroying an entire town, the Allies accidentally destroyed a hospital. If the citizens are only complaining about the hospital and not addressing the entire town that was massacred, it's going to make people ask questions. At the very least if you want to seem true then you'd criticize both. If this were the 90s then ok, fine, whatever, but it's not and due to how shitty the political landscape and general electorate is in the U.S., I think people are quite justified in being annoyed only ever hearing shit talked about the Dems for mundane/far-fetched goals when actual Christo-fascists are seizing control of state governments and working their way towards having control of 2/3rd of states, which would allow for them to call for a Cons. Convention that would possibly open the door to altering the Cons. to reflect their Christo-fascism. When these fuckers control the highest court of the land and have already rolled back equality and rights. When they control many state Supreme/Circuit courts which are doing the same, or as TX's 9th circuit shows, sometimes even being worse than the USSC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 10/25/23 7:58:20 AM #23:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/9/AAABTgAAE-M1.jpg In other words, saying "both sides" is letting destruction succeed. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976849477] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/9/AAABTgAAE-M1.jpg In other words, saying "both sides" is letting destruction succeed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zwijn 10/25/23 8:04:56 AM #24:	Inohira posted... Plenty of people do that. They still get accused of being right-wing, somehow. Just the act of insulting both parties gets you labeled right-wing, even if you believe they're both too corporate and militaristic. In my country true leftists call you right wing unless you vote for the most leftist party in the country, even when you vote for parties that basically touch theirs on the political map. Ive been called right wing by them for voting for an anti-EU, anticapitalist, pro-queer and animal rights party because theyre also anti-immigration because of religious and climate-related issues and that is the same as being a foreigner hating nazi. <cite>Zwijn posted [p:976849547] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Inohira posted... </cite><quote>Plenty of people do that. They still get accused of being right-wing, somehow. Just the act of insulting both parties gets you labeled right-wing, even if you believe they're both too corporate and militaristic.</quote>In my country true leftists call you right wing unless you vote for the most leftist party in the country, even when you vote for parties that basically touch theirs on the political map. Ive been called right wing by them for voting for an anti-EU, anticapitalist, pro-queer and animal rights party because theyre also anti-immigration because of religious and climate-related issues and that is the same as being a foreigner hating nazi.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlowerGimmick 10/25/23 8:11:28 AM #25:	CE is so far left that anything slightly less left is the same as far right. This is coming from a far leftist btw. I'm more or less in the same boat as the poster above me. <cite>FlowerGimmick posted [p:976849619] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>CE is so far left that anything slightly less left is the same as far right.This is coming from a far leftist btw. I'm more or less in the same boat as the poster above me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 10/25/23 8:21:43 AM #26:	Because you live in a weird bubble. Many folks were very vocal about reluctantly voting for Biden last election. They were very critical of him but chose him anyway. If you're voting left while criticizing it, I'd say that qualifies as left leaning. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:976849706] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Because you live in a weird bubble. Many folks were very vocal about reluctantly voting for Biden last election. They were very critical of him but chose him anyway. If you're voting left while criticizing it, I'd say that qualifies as left leaning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rotterdammerung 10/25/23 8:22:11 AM #27:	They just make themselves feel better by saying they're centrists. It's like how "libertarians" always have a lot to say about the differences between paedophilia and ephebophilia. --- Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things. GNU STP <cite>Rotterdammerung posted [p:976849711] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>They just make themselves feel better by saying they're centrists.It's like how "libertarians" always have a lot to say about the differences between paedophilia and ephebophilia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 10/25/23 8:24:22 AM #28:	Jiek_Fafn posted... Because you live in a weird bubble. Many folks were very vocal about reluctantly voting for Biden last election. They were very critical of him but chose him anyway. If you're voting left while criticizing it, I'd say that qualifies as left leaning. You will never get a response. This topic wasnt asked in good faith. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:976849730] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Jiek_Fafn posted... </cite><quote>Because you live in a weird bubble. Many folks were very vocal about reluctantly voting for Biden last election. They were very critical of him but chose him anyway. If you're voting left while criticizing it, I'd say that qualifies as left leaning.</quote>You will never get a response. This topic wasnt asked in good faith. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 8:26:04 AM #29:	FlowerGimmick posted... CE is so far left that anything slightly less left is the same as far right. This is coming from a far leftist btw. I'm more or less in the same boat as the poster above me. lol https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/7/AAfd4kAAE-M9.png <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976849747] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>FlowerGimmick posted... </cite><quote>CE is so far left that anything slightly less left is the same as far right.This is coming from a far leftist btw. I'm more or less in the same boat as the poster above me.</quote>lolhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/7/AAfd4kAAE-M9.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 10/25/23 8:32:06 AM #30:	Link_of_time posted... They're all just right wingers who think they're smart enough to ditch the baggage of that label. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:976849794] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Link_of_time posted... </cite><quote>They're all just right wingers who think they're smart enough to ditch the baggage of that label.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/25/23 8:36:01 AM #31:	I do bash both sides. Might not be noticed cause I don't jump at the chance to join every political debate but I do. So does that make me a true centrist or what? One thing I have noticed though anyone who doesn't nearly perfectly aling with democrats views is labeled right or alt right. At least the ones vocal about their beliefs. I know plenty of dems who are anti LGBT but just consider voting Republican worse. Which is fine (every election for me boils down to who i view as the lesser evil) but if they vocalised that say here they'd be labeled right wing/alt right/nazi real fast. On the flip side right wingers call anyone who doesn't agree with their views as woke. They are also more transparent in what or who they hate. Which isn't a good thing but also I do prefer bigots to be transparent so I know that about them --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976849821] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>I do bash both sides. Might not be noticed cause I don't jump at the chance to join every political debate but I do. So does that make me a true centrist or what? One thing I have noticed though anyone who doesn't nearly perfectly aling with democrats views is labeled right or alt right. At least the ones vocal about their beliefs. I know plenty of dems who are anti LGBT but just consider voting Republican worse. Which is fine (every election for me boils down to who i view as the lesser evil) but if they vocalised that say here they'd be labeled right wing/alt right/nazi real fast. On the flip side right wingers call anyone who doesn't agree with their views as woke. They are also more transparent in what or who they hate. Which isn't a good thing but also I do prefer bigots to be transparent so I know that about them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 10/25/23 8:38:38 AM #32:	Sufferedphoneix posted... One thing I have noticed though anyone who doesn't nearly perfectly aling with democrats views is labeled right or alt right. Which is funny, because those same people say democrats are right-wing. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:976849849] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite><quote>One thing I have noticed though anyone who doesn't nearly perfectly aling with democrats views is labeled right or alt right.</quote>Which is funny, because those same people say democrats are right-wing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 10/25/23 8:42:42 AM #33:	Sufferedphoneix posted... I know plenty of dems who are anti LGBT but just consider voting Republican worse. Which is fine (every election for me boils down to who i view as the lesser evil) but if they vocalised that say here they'd be labeled right wing/alt right/nazi real fast. Defending the poor, innocent homophobes and transphobes as "reasonable centrists" because people wouldn't just ignore their bigotry perfectly encapsulates why no one who isn't trying to provide cover for conservatives takes "both sides" seriously. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:976849886] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite><quote>I know plenty of dems who are anti LGBT but just consider voting Republican worse. Which is fine (every election for me boils down to who i view as the lesser evil) but if they vocalised that say here they'd be labeled right wing/alt right/nazi real fast.</quote>Defending the poor, innocent homophobes and transphobes as "reasonable centrists" because people wouldn't just ignore their bigotry perfectly encapsulates why no one who isn't trying to provide cover for conservatives takes "both sides" seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkbuster 10/25/23 8:50:04 AM #34:	Criticizing the right is so common, no one really thinks about it. The left just considers anyone criticizing them to automatically be the right. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 <cite>darkbuster posted [p:976849948] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Criticizing the right is so common, no one really thinks about it. The left just considers anyone criticizing them to automatically be the right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WesternMedia 10/25/23 8:51:58 AM #35:	Jiek_Fafn posted... Because you live in a weird bubble. Many folks were very vocal about reluctantly voting for Biden last election. They were very critical of him but chose him anyway. If you're voting left while criticizing it, I'd say that qualifies as left leaning. Depends on the motivation. If they're reluctantly voting Biden because he doesn't do enough to oppose the right but there's no better choice yeah that's left. However, if you reluctantly vote Biden because you dislike Democrats but Trump and the GOP at large has become too extreme to the point you agree more with Biden than Trump but would still prefer someone like Mccain, that would still be right wing. --- Cherish me <cite>WesternMedia posted [p:976849966] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Jiek_Fafn posted... </cite><quote>Because you live in a weird bubble. Many folks were very vocal about reluctantly voting for Biden last election. They were very critical of him but chose him anyway. If you're voting left while criticizing it, I'd say that qualifies as left leaning.</quote>Depends on the motivation. If they're reluctantly voting Biden because he doesn't do enough to oppose the right but there's no better choice yeah that's left. However, if you reluctantly vote Biden because you dislike Democrats but Trump and the GOP at large has become too extreme to the point you agree more with Biden than Trump but would still prefer someone like Mccain, that would still be right wing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/25/23 8:54:41 AM #36:	KI_Simpson posted... Defending the poor, innocent homophobes and transphobes as "reasonable centrists" because people wouldn't just ignore their bigotry perfectly encapsulates why no one who isn't trying to provide cover for conservatives takes "both sides" seriously. I'm talking about ones that vote Democrat anyways they might hold those beliefs but they ain't actively voting for it. That example came to mind cause I think the true liberals of this country would have their minds blown if they realized how many on "their" side dont actually agree with that point. Its shifting though it's mostly people my age and older. But still plenty of young ones in rural areas. I feel that's better than actually being pro LGBT but voting against it anyways. Cause I know those kinda people too. Not on a political point but made me think of my grandad. He would say some mad racist homophobic etc shit but in his actions he was nothing but nice to everyone around him unless they pissed him off. And hell despite me being bi he did more for me and gave me a lot more things than he did my straight brother. Cause he knew he could actually rely on me. The contradictions of his words and actions always baffled me. Only thing I can figure is he was a product of his time but deep down he believed everyone was equal --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976849988] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>KI_Simpson posted... </cite><quote>Defending the poor, innocent homophobes and transphobes as "reasonable centrists" because people wouldn't just ignore their bigotry perfectly encapsulates why no one who isn't trying to provide cover for conservatives takes "both sides" seriously.</quote>I'm talking about ones that vote Democrat anyways they might hold those beliefs but they ain't actively voting for it. That example came to mind cause I think the true liberals of this country would have their minds blown if they realized how many on "their" side dont actually agree with that point. Its shifting though it's mostly people my age and older. But still plenty of young ones in rural areas. I feel that's better than actually being pro LGBT but voting against it anyways. Cause I know those kinda people too. Not on a political point but made me think of my grandad. He would say some mad racist homophobic etc shit but in his actions he was nothing but nice to everyone around him unless they pissed him off. And hell despite me being bi he did more for me and gave me a lot more things than he did my straight brother. Cause he knew he could actually rely on me. The contradictions of his words and actions always baffled me. Only thing I can figure is he was a product of his time but deep down he believed everyone was equal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WesternMedia 10/25/23 8:56:23 AM #37:	Sufferedphoneix posted... I'm talking about ones that vote Democrat anyways they might hold those beliefs but they ain't actively voting for it. That example came to mind cause I think the true liberals of this country would have their minds blown if they realized how many on "their" side dont actually agree with that point. Its shifting though it's mostly people my age and older. But still plenty of young ones in rural areas. I feel that's better than actually being pro LGBT but voting against it anyways. Cause I know those kinda people too. Not on a political point but made me think of my grandad. He would say some mad racist homophobic etc shit but in his actions he was nothing but nice to everyone around him unless they pissed him off. And hell despite me being bi he did more for me and gave me a lot more things than he did my straight brother. Cause he knew he could actually rely on me. The contradictions of his words and actions always baffled me. Only thing I can figure is he was a product of his time but deep down he believed everyone was equal tbf I think this is very dependent on what state or region you're in. Those in red states will consider themselves more blue than what they may be to blue states due to their peers being even more red than they are and vice versa. --- Cherish me <cite>WesternMedia posted [p:976850007] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite><quote>I'm talking about ones that vote Democrat anyways they might hold those beliefs but they ain't actively voting for it. That example came to mind cause I think the true liberals of this country would have their minds blown if they realized how many on "their" side dont actually agree with that point. Its shifting though it's mostly people my age and older. But still plenty of young ones in rural areas. I feel that's better than actually being pro LGBT but voting against it anyways. Cause I know those kinda people too. Not on a political point but made me think of my grandad. He would say some mad racist homophobic etc shit but in his actions he was nothing but nice to everyone around him unless they pissed him off. And hell despite me being bi he did more for me and gave me a lot more things than he did my straight brother. Cause he knew he could actually rely on me. The contradictions of his words and actions always baffled me. Only thing I can figure is he was a product of his time but deep down he believed everyone was equal</quote>tbf I think this is very dependent on what state or region you're in. Those in red states will consider themselves more blue than what they may be to blue states due to their peers being even more red than they are and vice versa. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cephalopods 10/25/23 9:02:03 AM #38:	It's definitely possible to be critical of both sides; I lean pretty far left but am not throwing biggest fan of our democratic party. I don't think it's actually possible to be a "centrist" though, the idea of actually not having an opinion fall one way or the other is just kind of ... stupid. So, people who try to claim as such are more often than not just being disingenuous. <cite>Cephalopods posted [p:976850058] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>It's definitely possible to be critical of both sides; I lean pretty far left but am not throwing biggest fan of our democratic party. I don't think it's actually possible to be a "centrist" though, the idea of actually not having an opinion fall one way or the other is just kind of ... stupid. So, people who try to claim as such are more often than not just being disingenuous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 10/25/23 9:02:10 AM #39:	Sufferedphoneix posted... I'm talking about ones that vote Democrat anyways they might hold those beliefs but they ain't actively voting for it. That example came to mind cause I think the true liberals of this country would have their minds blown if they realized how many on "their" side dont actually agree with that point. Its shifting though it's mostly people my age and older. But still plenty of young ones in rural areas. I feel that's better than actually being pro LGBT but voting against it anyways. Cause I know those kinda people too. Not on a political point but made me think of my grandad. He would say some mad racist homophobic etc shit but in his actions he was nothing but nice to everyone around him unless they pissed him off. And hell despite me being bi he did more for me and gave me a lot more things than he did my straight brother. Cause he knew he could actually rely on me. The contradictions of his words and actions always baffled me. Only thing I can figure is he was a product of his time but deep down he believed everyone was equal Regardless of whether it's better than the reverse (and if someone claims to not be a bigot but votes for bigots anyway I'm probably not going to believe them in the first place), it is not something that is "okay" and that people should respect. You presented being opposed to people's right to exist as something that should be overlooked if someone isn't that far right, and that sums up why no one trusts people pushing enlightened centrism. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:976850059] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite><quote>I'm talking about ones that vote Democrat anyways they might hold those beliefs but they ain't actively voting for it. That example came to mind cause I think the true liberals of this country would have their minds blown if they realized how many on "their" side dont actually agree with that point. Its shifting though it's mostly people my age and older. But still plenty of young ones in rural areas. I feel that's better than actually being pro LGBT but voting against it anyways. Cause I know those kinda people too. Not on a political point but made me think of my grandad. He would say some mad racist homophobic etc shit but in his actions he was nothing but nice to everyone around him unless they pissed him off. And hell despite me being bi he did more for me and gave me a lot more things than he did my straight brother. Cause he knew he could actually rely on me. The contradictions of his words and actions always baffled me. Only thing I can figure is he was a product of his time but deep down he believed everyone was equal</quote>Regardless of whether it's better than the reverse (and if someone claims to not be a bigot but votes for bigots anyway I'm probably not going to believe them in the first place), it is not something that is "okay" and that people should respect. You presented being opposed to people's right to exist as something that should be overlooked if someone isn't that far right, and that sums up why no one trusts people pushing enlightened centrism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/25/23 9:05:12 AM #40:	WesternMedia posted... tbf I think this is very dependent on what state or region you're in. Cities in general seem more liberal. My point of view is bigoted view points are softened if you actually engage with different types of people. I grew up in a Hispanic neighborhood never had Ill will towards Hispanics in general. Was weary of black people growing up cause all I knew was stereotypes and shit but then I started hanging out with several in my party days and that's no longer a issue for me. Think it was a eye opener when I was at a party 80% black and my shit got stolen. My friend and I went into detective mode and found out it was one of thr few other white dudes who stole my shit. (Not that we make good detectives. We just grilled people and dudes own friend threw him under thr bus) Realized can't go by sterotypes. Though to be fair ir wasn't all sterotyoes but also probability due to the ratio difference. Sorry to ramble. Point is in rural areas it's all too easy to only associate with only similar people. So I can see why bigotry is more common. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976850090] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>WesternMedia posted... </cite><quote>tbf I think this is very dependent on what state or region you're in.</quote>Cities in general seem more liberal. My point of view is bigoted view points are softened if you actually engage with different types of people. I grew up in a Hispanic neighborhood never had Ill will towards Hispanics in general. Was weary of black people growing up cause all I knew was stereotypes and shit but then I started hanging out with several in my party days and that's no longer a issue for me. Think it was a eye opener when I was at a party 80% black and my shit got stolen. My friend and I went into detective mode and found out it was one of thr few other white dudes who stole my shit. (Not that we make good detectives. We just grilled people and dudes own friend threw him under thr bus) Realized can't go by sterotypes. Though to be fair ir wasn't all sterotyoes but also probability due to the ratio difference. Sorry to ramble. Point is in rural areas it's all too easy to only associate with only similar people. So I can see why bigotry is more common. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 10/25/23 9:07:14 AM #41:	cuttin_in_farm posted... The actual answer is that because you, TC, more than likely frequent spaces that lean left, the centrist is seen criticizing the left to you. Right wing rhetoric probably already gets pushback in your spaces. If this centrist is placed in a right leaning environment, theyll more than likely push back there. But its easier to just assume everyone is a grifter or something ig. Good post. --- ************************************************ http://i.imgur.com/iZdWIKJ.jpg <cite>whitelytning posted [p:976850108] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>The actual answer is that because you, TC, more than likely frequent spaces that lean left, the centrist is seen criticizing the left to you. Right wing rhetoric probably already gets pushback in your spaces. If this centrist is placed in a right leaning environment, theyll more than likely push back there. But its easier to just assume everyone is a grifter or something ig.</quote>Good post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 10/25/23 9:07:42 AM #42:	KI_Simpson posted... You presented being opposed to people's right to exist as something that should be overlooked if someone isn't that far right, and that sums up why no one trusts people pushing enlightened centrism. This is a strawman. The type of person to vote left but be against LGBT+ are moreso the type who dont care what you do but disagree about things like trans women in sports or transitioning children. Even if uneducated on certain things, these are not the same folk wanting trans individuals gone. Just fyi. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:976850112] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>KI_Simpson posted... </cite><quote>You presented being opposed to people's right to exist as something that should be overlooked if someone isn't that far right, and that sums up why no one trusts people pushing enlightened centrism.</quote>This is a strawman. The type of person to vote left but be against LGBT+ are moreso the type who dont care what you do but disagree about things like trans women in sports or transitioning children. Even if uneducated on certain things, these are not the same folk wanting trans individuals gone. Just fyi. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeggetaX 10/25/23 9:12:08 AM #43:	I use to lean more centered but then I see a lot of my peers just saying that shit because they hate libs but don't want to be openly associated with Trump. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>VeggetaX posted [p:976850161] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>I use to lean more centered but then I see a lot of my peers just saying that shit because they hate libs but don't want to be openly associated with Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 10/25/23 9:12:31 AM #44:	cuttin_in_farm posted... This is a strawman. The type of person to vote left but be against LGBT+ are moreso the type who dont care what you do but disagree about things like trans women in sports or transitioning children. Even if uneducated on certain things, these are not the same folk wanting trans individuals gone. Just fyi. While I don't really care about sports (same as most of the people who won't shut up about paranoid fantasies of ciswomen being prevented from ever playing a sport again), if someone is pushing misinformation about what children transitioning actually is and/or wants trans children to suffer for 18 years then they are not "reasonable centrists." --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:976850167] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>This is a strawman. The type of person to vote left but be against LGBT+ are moreso the type who dont care what you do but disagree about things like trans women in sports or transitioning children. Even if uneducated on certain things, these are not the same folk wanting trans individuals gone. Just fyi.</quote>While I don't really care about sports (same as most of the people who won't shut up about paranoid fantasies of ciswomen being prevented from ever playing a sport again), if someone is pushing misinformation about what children transitioning actually is and/or wants trans children to suffer for 18 years then they are not "reasonable centrists." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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R_Jackal 10/25/23 9:21:43 AM #46:	As someone who has been a centrist for... Most of my adult life and is now more left, it's because the right wing folk love to hide behind the mask of neutrality and "devil's advocate" argue that the right is good because the left is bad. A lot of centrist discussion these days is basically bait instead of anyone actually believing ideology. Edit: also the fact that as views on both sides get more extreme it's hard to justify staying in the middle. Have got to choose what you stand for, and my viewpoint just is absolutely impossible to line up with the right at the moment. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:976850279] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>As someone who has been a centrist for... Most of my adult life and is now more left, it's because the right wing folk love to hide behind the mask of neutrality and "devil's advocate" argue that the right is good because the left is bad.A lot of centrist discussion these days is basically bait instead of anyone actually believing ideology.Edit: also the fact that as views on both sides get more extreme it's hard to justify staying in the middle. Have got to choose what you stand for, and my viewpoint just is absolutely impossible to line up with the right at the moment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 10/25/23 9:23:46 AM #47:	KI_Simpson posted... While I don't really care about sports (same as most of the people who won't shut up about paranoid fantasies of ciswomen being prevented from ever playing a sport again), if someone is pushing misinformation about what children transitioning actually is and/or wants trans children to suffer for 18 years then they are not "reasonable centrists." Is a centrist not someone who agrees with some left some right things? Even if we just go worst case scenario here and say they are utterly transphobic why would one thing disqualify someone from being a centrist? If they are left leaning when it comes to immigration, economy, education, etc but are right leaning when it comes to one specific social issue Would they not still be a centrist? Maybe I dont understand the definition. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:976850304] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>KI_Simpson posted... </cite><quote>While I don't really care about sports (same as most of the people who won't shut up about paranoid fantasies of ciswomen being prevented from ever playing a sport again), if someone is pushing misinformation about what children transitioning actually is and/or wants trans children to suffer for 18 years then they are not "reasonable centrists."</quote>Is a centrist not someone who agrees with some left some right things?Even if we just go worst case scenario here and say they are utterly transphobic why would one thing disqualify someone from being a centrist? If they are left leaning when it comes to immigration, economy, education, etc but are right leaning when it comes to one specific social issueWould they not still be a centrist? Maybe I dont understand the definition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 9:24:36 AM #48:	cuttin_in_farm posted... disagree about things like trans women in sports or transitioning children. Even if uneducated on certain things, these are not the same folk wanting trans individuals gone. That means they want us gone. <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976850314] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>disagree about things like trans women in sports or transitioning children.Even if uneducated on certain things, these are not the same folk wanting trans individuals gone.</quote>That means they want us gone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/25/23 9:25:51 AM #49:	Naysaspace posted... They aren't centrists they are just saying it to trigger and annoy liberals. And it works. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:976850331] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>Naysaspace posted... </cite><quote>They aren't centrists they are just saying it to trigger and annoy liberals. And it works.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/25/23 9:26:53 AM #50:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Is a centrist not someone who agrees with some left some right things? Even if we just go worst case scenario here and say they are utterly transphobic why would one thing disqualify someone from being a centrist? If they are left leaning when it comes to immigration, economy, education, etc but are right leaning when it comes to one specific social issue Would they not still be a centrist? Maybe I dont understand the definition. That's basically what I was trying to say. You disagree on one thing and suddenly your on the right. The one issue I've seen this not to be true on is guns. Liberals like guns too. Just not as much so they are willing to defend it as hard. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976850345] in How come e... [t:80597803]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>Is a centrist not someone who agrees with some left some right things?Even if we just go worst case scenario here and say they are utterly transphobic why would one thing disqualify someone from being a centrist? If they are left leaning when it comes to immigration, economy, education, etc but are right leaning when it comes to one specific social issueWould they not still be a centrist? Maybe I dont understand the definition.</quote>That's basically what I was trying to say. You disagree on one thing and suddenly your on the right. The one issue I've seen this not to be true on is guns. Liberals like guns too. Just not as much so they are willing to defend it as hard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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