Current Events > Lol, a daycare is cancelled because 9 people whined about it.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/port-coquitlam-bc-child-care-centre-rejected-1.7000188

Stories like this for daycares, apartment complexes and other multifamily housing, etc. are why building things can be so expensive and take so long to build.

Local neighborhoods have way too much veto power to stop things from being built.

"When you see this many people come out and they're this passionate and their concerns are so loud, it's hard to just blow past them," said Coun. Paige Petriw, as she voted against rezoning 1948 Grant Ave.

"We have not had that many people out at a public hearing for quite a long time and I think that says a lot about what is taking place," said Coun. Darrell Penner.

Coun. Nancy McCurrach was even more emphatic.

"When that many people come together, I'm going to listen to them. So I won't be supporting this," she said.

In total, nine members of the public showed up to speak before the Oct. 10 vote. None were in support.

The concerns from residents who showed up generally centred around parking and noise for a residential three-block street in the middle of Port Coquitlam that has no sidewalks.

"Imagine 65 parents dropping off and picking up their kids with their cars throughout the day. It's just going to be complete chaos," said Manraj Buller, who lives a few houses down from the property.

"Zoning bylaws exist so residents can be protected from institutions such as these intruding into our residential neighbourhoods."

Several people also argued it was a poor fit because the nearest playground was a few blocks away and required crossing a busy street.

But four of the nine people who spoke against the project explicitly brought up the potential of decreased property values as a reason for their opposition.

Another person brought up wildlife in the area as a concern.

"There are bears scavenging for food," said the speaker, who did not provide his name. He described it as "a safety issue."

While he voted no, Penner said some of the concerns were unfounded.

"I don't believe property values are going to drop. I don't believe the bears are going to eat the children," he said.

This is why we can't have nice things.

I bought my house specifically because it's in a quiet area. If they wanted to build a daycare or school or whatever in my back yard, which was a large factor in why I purchased said house, you can bet your bottom I'd be out there yelling with these people.

It's not just the buses and excessive traffic either. I assume there are also playgrounds and things, so daytime noise pollution of kids screaming and playing would be a massive negative to the neighborhood.

I'm with em. I spent nearly half a million on my house largely because of the quiet, low-traffic neighborhood. You write about how neighborhoods have too much power, but I promise you, anyone spending that much money would expect to have a say in what happens with the neighborhood.

Nimbys are the worst

MatzoTov posted...

I bought my house specifically because it's in a quiet area. If they wanted to build a daycare or school or whatever in my back yard, which was a large factor in why I purchased said house, you can bet your bottom I'd be out there yelling with these people.

I'm sure you and many others would do the same. Many people incorrectly think they have the right to control what's built outside of their property, and it's bad that they think that way and it sadly leads to increased expenses of public goods and private goods.

MatzoTov posted...

I'm with em. I spent nearly half a million on my house largely because of the quiet, low-traffic neighborhood. You write about how neighborhoods have too much power, but I promise you, anyone spending that much money would expect to have a say in what happens with the neighborhood.

Yep, and as we all know, if you have money, you have the right to dictate what does and doesn't get built.
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These the same kind of people who complain about babies on airplanes or just kids being out in public in general? Seems like kinda the same vibes to me.

Ar0ge posted...

These the same kind of people who complain about babies on airplanes or just kids being out in public in general? Seems like kinda the same vibes to me.

Pretty much.

Guess they'll have to put the daycare in the polluted industrial district.

I live next to a daycare which probably has about that number of cars coming to pick up kids daily as well. Traffic concerns are overblown as those 65 cars picking up children are not all doing it at the same time. Noise may be a justified concern, it doesn't bother me much now but children are noisy, and it certainly sucks being unable to sleep in with a window open. As far a property values go, I think the daycare actually improves the aesthetics of the neighbourhood, its certainly more beutified and maintained than a lot of the houses around.

nimbys fucking suck

Just from watching Parks and Recs i see you cant win.
Even something like building a public park in the show took forever lol

KanWan posted...

Err.. whats a nimby? >_>

Not In My BackYard

Someone who is fine with building stuff...as long as it's not anywhere close to them and won't impact them. Issue is...if everyone is a NIMBY, where will things get built?

YIMBY is Yes In My BackYard

KanWan posted...

Err.. whats a nimby? >_>

Not in my back yard

FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER posted...

Just from watching Parks and Recs i see you cant win.
Even something like building a public park in the show took forever lol

Yep.

I understand where the initial motivation comes from and why at one point, having these local vetoes was good. Think about decades ago when companies might have been trying to do shady shit and neighborhoods wanted power to restrict shady corporations.

Issue is..it's very very easy to abuse this privilege. And it's used to stop the building of schools, public transportation, etc.

Maybe if these complainers worked, they would be too busy/not at home during daycare hours.

We dont have to make shit up about bears being attracted to justify being an asshole.

emblem-man posted...

I'm sure you and many others would do the same. Many people incorrectly think they have the right to control what's built outside of their property, and it's bad that they think that way and it sadly leads to increased expenses of public goods and private goods.

Homeowners, myself included, do not have the right to control what exists outside their lot. We have zero control over what actually happens. That doesn't mean we are forbidden from voicing our opinions.

emblem-man posted...

Yep, and as we all know, if you have money, you have the right to dictate what does and doesn't get built.
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Like it or not, in America, that's reality. Money rules all. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not. But like I said, the flip side of being in America is, I can voice my opinion with zero fear of criminal retribution.

Money, in fact, does dictate what can and cannot get built. Granted, it's not directly applicable to my specific situation, but generally speaking, it's the truth in this country.

I grew up in non-zoned, unincorporated land. My father swore he would not live any other sort of place. I thought it was weird as a kid, but the older I get, the more I agree with him. Get yourself some land and privacy and then proceede live the way you want.

I grew up in the USA and east of the Mississippi. There is absolutely places you can live without HOA and zoning laws. You just have to live in the country. Most people just want the benefits of population density more than they want the benefits of non-zoned rural life.

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Nine people showed up (one of them talking about bears looking for food) and THAT'S what made them vote no?

I live in an area where about 10 daycares popped up after the pandemic. They bought out the buildings of businesses that folded.

It fucking sucks. Mostly due to the dumb ass, rude, waste of breath parents that dont know how to do things like drive, park and have basic decency.

Ive seen these fuckers park in front of the day care in front of hydrants, no parking signs, halfway in the intersection, on the wrong side of the road, sideways on street (like they pulled into a parking spot in the middle of the street), other peoples driveways, and straight up blocking the road entirely.

They also have a strange habit of letting their kids dart from one side of the road to the other without looking. More than 1 have been flattened so far, buy they still refuse to tell them to take caution apparently.

They need to get some damn cops out there handing out citations. They could issue 100 a day, easy.

AAAAH.. I hate these people, Seriously NIMBY's are a massive pain in the ass, the hate almost anything being built near them and will scream "My property Values" over everything, 90% of the time they need to be ignored or just told to piss off

I'd be okay with this because I have two young kids and I like kids and want them to have support.

But property values are a valid concern. I track my wealth closely, and I would not want to see one of my most valuable assets take a hit. It impacts your future and ability to retire if you plan to downsize.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I'd be okay with this because I have two young kids and I like kids and want them to have support.

But property values are a valid concern. I track my wealth closely, and I would not want to see one of my most valuable assets take a hit. It impacts your future and ability to retire if you plan to downsize.

Truly one of the reasons why housing in the US sucks so much. We have a lack of housing (partly due to NIMBYs) , which causes house price to increase, which causes it to be a source of wealth for the common person. And once it's someone's main wealth and essentially a retirement vehicle, any change to increase housing supply fails.

Remember everyone, housing can't both be affordable and be a top tier financial investment

Unless its a 24hr daycare. Between the hours or drop off and pick up would be noisy say 6am to 6pm.

People have a problem with that? Most homes are issued a license for daycare that is limited on the size of your home.

Again, most homes can house eight children max (depends on state) Anything bigger requires a larger facility. All of this is up to licensing. If the state sends someone to the home to inspect its safe these people complaining dont have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

Noise violation is laughable.

WalkingPlague posted...

Unless its a 24hr daycare. Between the hours or drop off and pick up would be noisy say 6am to 6pm.

People have a problem with that? Most homes are issued a license for daycare that is limited on the size of your home.

Again, most homes can house eight children max (depends on state) Anything bigger requires a larger facility. All of this is up to licensing. If the state sends someone to the home to inspect its safe these people complaining dont have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

Noise violation is laughable.

This was one of those larger facilities, not someone watching a few kids in their house. That's why they were complaining about 65 parents dropping their kids off every day.

You'd think that having a daycare half a block from your house would be at least break-even in terms of property values, as couples in need of such a service would probably pay a premium to have one in walking distance. Then again, I'm no realtor.

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Kids next door screaming all day while youre trying to work from home does effect you

willythemailboy posted...

This was one of those larger facilities, not someone watching a few kids in their house. That's why they were complaining about 65 parents dropping their kids off every day.

You'd think that having a daycare half a block from your house would be at least break-even in terms of property values, as couples in need of such a service would probably pay a premium to have one in walking distance. Then again, I'm no realtor.

Must be a neighborhood for retirees because youd think families in the area would shit the bed due to a close-by daycare facility.

Some folks complain too much.

MatzoTov posted...

half a million

That wont even get you a camper van in the getto where im from. 1000sqft condos go for 750-900 lol.

Oh no, another multimillion dollar company getting pushed out of residential areas by the affected residents. How tragic.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Oh no, another multimillion dollar company getting pushed out of residential areas by the affected residents. How tragic.

The leftish version of NINBYism, in which it's bad to build items that positively impact society but under the vaneer of anti-capitalism or something

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Oh no, another multimillion dollar company getting pushed out of residential areas by the affected residents. How tragic.

Its a daycare, bro.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Its a daycare, bro.

It's just one location, bro. What a shame they aren't constructing this building in this one place. That was their destiny, and now it's ruined because they aren't opening a business in this particular residential zone.

Ways to fix it: take it out of neighborhood control and just have the city allow it from a zoning perspective

https://twitter.com/cityjane/status/1713927500651217098?t=vUPTFT3yNxMM2q6RLSh48Q&s=19

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

It's just one location, bro. What a shame they aren't constructing this building in this one place. That was their destiny, and now it's ruined because they aren't opening a business in this particular residential zone

Rika_Furude posted...

Kids next door screaming all day while youre trying to work from home does effect you

Can confirm firsthand. My rental before my purchase was across from a day care. I didn't think it'd bother me, but I was mistaken. Granted, it wasn't all day, but they would come out for recess in shifts, so they were out a lot.

__starsnostars posted...

it certainly sucks being unable to sleep in with a window open

This too. I deliberately moved to where I am because I can sleep with the window open and not worry about too much noise. And this is less about the kids too - it's more about the big ass SUVs and noisy cars. In the morning, those make a lot more noise than the kids do, because they're at least inside.

Bloody fucking NIMBYS!

emblem-man posted...

The leftish version of NINBYism, in which it's bad to build items that positively impact society but under the vaneer of anti-capitalism or something

You're being dishonest acting like I'm against a daycare anywhere. Then you follow it up with that same stupid "you're actually secretly a villain being bad for no reason" response, like I'm against the idea of childcare.

Businesses can stay the fuck out of residential areas.

emblem-man posted...

Ways to fix it: take it out of neighborhood control and just have the city allow it from a zoning perspective

The OP article was rejected at the city council level because of the nimby complaints. The decision was not at the neighborhood level.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

You're being dishonest acting like I'm against a daycare anywhere. Then you follow it up with that same stupid "you're actually secretly a villain being bad for no reason" response, like I'm against the idea of childcare.

Businesses can stay the fuck out of residential areas.

Counterpoint: it's good to have mixed zoning which includes residential homes with businesses such as daycares, groceries,shopping areas, etc. Because segregated zoning ultimately leads to bad land usage and sprawl which are bad

willythemailboy posted...

The OP article was rejected at the city council level because of the nimby complaints. The decision was not at the neighborhood level.

True, you're correct. I will say, I'm not sure how municipalities work in BC, which is where the OP happened. But yes, in this case, the city zoning failed and the council members put too much weight on the few people who showed up.

emblem-man posted...

What? Theres green everywhere. Is there a relevant statistic Im missing there besides "less than half of the city is zoned for childcare facilities"?

MatzoTov posted...

I'm with em.

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Of course you are.

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Sure you did.

Plot twist: All the supporters in here are actually NIMBYs afraid they'll move the daycare to their street

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

What? Theres green everywhere. Is there a relevant statistic Im missing there besides "less than half of the city is zoned for childcare facilities"?

Unless I'm mistaken, it shifted from majority yellow to majority green due to the city wide allowable zoning.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Plot twist: All the supporters in here are actually NIMBYs afraid they'll move the daycare to their street

I wish the one we have 5 minutes from our home was even closer so we could walk to it

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Plot twist: All the supporters in here are actually NIMBYs afraid they'll move the daycare to their street

I couldn't care less. I'm not worried the sound of kids playing is somehow going to interrupt my "sleeping in" or anything because I have an actual job instead of just being grumpy on the internet all day long. I'm actually more concerned how long people are sleeping until if kids at a daycare can interrupt that, since your typical recess isn't going to start until like, 11-12.

EDIT: And before anybody tries to counter with "What about people who sleep through the day for night jobs," the wording used was, specifically, "sleeping in."

StealThisSheen posted...

I couldn't care less. I'm not worried the sound of kids playing is somehow going to interrupt my "sleeping in" or anything because I have an actual job instead of just being grumpy on the internet all day long. I'm actually more concerned how long people are sleeping until if kids at a daycare can interrupt that, since your typical recess isn't going to start until like, 11-12.

EDIT: And before anybody tries to counter with "What about people who sleep through the day for night jobs," the wording used was, specifically, "sleeping in."

I'm sure these people going to council meetings are TOTAL INTERNET DWEEBS WHO SUCK AND ARE MEAN AND LAZY AND SLEEP IN TO BE MEAN AND BRAG ABOUT IT.

You're being grumpy online about a company not building in a residential area due to complaints from residents.

StealThisSheen posted...

Sure you did.

...It's really not that much for a house in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure why you think that would be worth lying about...

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

I'm sure these people going to council meetings are TOTAL INTERNET DWEEBS WHO SUCK AND ARE MEAN AND LAZY AND SLEEP IN TO BE MEAN AND BRAG ABOUT IT.

You're being grumpy online about a company not building in a residential area due to complaints from residents.

I like how you had to deflect because you couldn't respond to the fact that I was, specifically, referring to people in this very topic.

I clearly wasn't talking about the whiners going to meetings, who... Let's be honest, aren't even worth getting in to. We've seen the kinds of people who go to city council and school board meetings.