Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Update Thread (Invasion)

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Questionmarktarius posted...

...i see what you did there.

Israel likes to skip a few steps, and go right to the bulldozers.

Israel has there own Gitmo. They will/do hold prisoners without trial and have human rights abuse allegations at secret prisons. These don't equal extermination camps though.

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Weird ad tbh

HHH_is_the_game posted...

But comparing these things to the Holocaust without the context of the fact that Israel is trying to defend themselves from terrorists who have constantly been attacking their civilians, and also with the context that the Jews were the victims of the Holocaust, it really does seem sort of antisemitic to accuse the jews of being equivalent of the nazis (they are not)

Israel is not 'all jews'

Condemning Israel for their barbaric actions and attempts to genocide a minority they have abused for decades is not antisemitic.

People mention the holocaust as Israel is now becoming the thing they were created to prevent and in response to.

It seems like some people who were very pro Israel are starting to understand what path this could take. The Israeli government/military may not subjectively have the intent to commit genocide, but their actions are gearing up to be identical to someone who does. I think their actions are what count here.

Righteous anger or even just anger that feels righteous is a dangerous thing and is the second biggest cause of atrocities, behind outright hatred. Unfortunately, we have both flowing in both directions here. Only one has the power to actually carry out genocide though, and they're speeding in that direction.

Funkydog posted...

Israel is not 'all jews'

Condemning Israel for their barbaric actions and attempts to genocide a minority they have abused for decades is not antisemitic.

People mention the holocaust as Israel is now becoming the thing they were created to prevent and in response to.

Problem is that people who conflated HAMAS to be all Palestinians can't seem to fathom that when people say Israel they don't mean all Jews.

Funkydog posted...

Israel is not 'all jews'

Condemning Israel for their barbaric actions and attempts to genocide a minority they have abused for decades is not antisemitic.

People mention the holocaust as Israel is now becoming the thing they were created to prevent and in response to.

Not to mention, there are literal Jews in Israel (and around the world) that have been pointing out that violent retailiation was inevitable in the face of the apartheid state, and they have been pointing that out for years.

Israel gave Gaza hospital 2 hours to evacuate with patients still being treated, medical aid group says
From CNN's Dan Wright and Lauren Kent in London
Israel has given Al Awda Hospital in Gaza just two hours to evacuate, according to Doctors Without Borders, also known as Mdecins Sans Frontires (MSF).
The hospital, which is one of several that MSF supports in Gaza, was "still treating patients," the medical aid group said.

Hamas "will not surrender our legitimate fight for freedom and self-determination," senior official says
From CNN's Mohammed Tawfeeq
A senior Hamas official said Friday that the current situation in Gaza represents "an extraordinarily audacious and brutal endeavor to forcibly remove the Palestinian indigenous people from their land."
Izzat al-Risheq, a member of the political bureau of Hamas, noted in a statement Friday that Israel struck Gaza with 6,000 bombs within the past week, which is also a number provided by the Israeli Air Force.
Hamas is rejecting Israel's call "to be expelled from our homes once again" and will "resist Israels attempt to ethnically cleanse Gaza," al-Risheq added.
This comes after Israels military warned 1.1 million people living in northern Gaza to evacuate their homes, amid signs Israel is set to ramp up its retaliatory offensive against Hamas after the militant group, in a bloody attack last weekend, killed over 1,200 people in Israel. Since the attack, Hamas fighters are also said to be holding as many as 150 people hostage in locations across Gaza.
The senior Hamas official called Israel's actions in Gaza "inhumane" and "barbaric," and said they violate "all the laws and treaties that the so-called free and democratic countries claim they believe in."
Hamas "will not surrender our legitimate fight for freedom and self-determination. We will either live standing tall or we will die fighting," al-Risheq said.

Smashingpmkns posted...

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Weird ad tbh

I saw this outright dystopic one recently

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1712446982403342616?t=ciOIqOMgx3jhkMjGKj0JXA&s=19

name_unknown posted...

Izzat al-Risheq, a member of the political bureau of Hamas, noted in a statement Friday that Israel struck Gaza with 6,000 bombs within the past week, which is also a number provided by the Israeli Air Force.

Oh shit, guys, Hamas and Israel actually agreed on something.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

I saw this outright dystopic one recently

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1712446982403342616?t=ciOIqOMgx3jhkMjGKj0JXA&s=19

Jesus. This should straight up be removed.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Oh shit, guys, Hamas and Israel actually agreed on something.

Lol

24 hours for a million plus people to move out of a bombed road in the dark, most of them children.

2 hour warning for hospital and medical staff.

Just open genocide at this point.

Israeli PM Netanyahu says its only the beginning after nearly a week of strikes on Gaza
From CNN's Zahid Mahmood
After nearly a week of deadly airstrikes on Gaza, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Friday: "It's only the beginning."

"Today we all understand that we fight for our house, our house for all of us and we are fighting like lions," Netanyahu said. "We will never forget the atrocities of our enemies we are not going to forgive and not going to let the world forget or anyone else of what happened to the Jewish people in the past."
"And in the last dozens of years, we are fighting our enemies forcefully and its only the beginning our enemies have only just going to start the pay the price."
"Im telling you its only the beginning, Im not going to give you additional details, but it is only the beginning," Netanyahu added.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken defended Israels military actions Friday, saying they were not retaliatory but rather defensive.

No county can tolerate having a terrorist group come in, slaughter its people in the most unconscionable way, and live like that," Blinken said at a news conference. "What Israel's doing is not retaliation. What Israel is doing is defending the lives of its people and, as I said, trying to make sure that this cannot happen again."

I think any country faced with what Israel has suffered would likely do the same thing, he added.
Israeli forces appear to be poised to launch a ground incursion into Gaza and have bombarded the Hamas-run enclave with air strikes in the wake of the brutal attacks last weekend.
The US, Israel, and many other countries in the region are also thinking about the day after and where this goes, the top US diplomat said.

One thing is for sure: We can't go back to the status quo that allowed this to happen in the first place. So that has to be part of the thinking, and it is, Blinken said.

US preps rapid reaction Marine unit for potential deployment toward Israel
From CNN's Natasha Bertrand and Oren Liebermann
The 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, a rapid reaction force capable of conducting special operations, is making preparations in case it is ordered closer to Israel to bolster the US force posture there, multiple US officials tell CNN.
The unit, which is currently on board the USS Bataan amphibious assault ship, is comprised of over 2,000 Marines and sailors and would be capable of supporting a large-scale evacuation. Among the mission essential tasks for a Marine Expeditionary Unit are evacuation operations and humanitarian assistance.
No such order has been given yet to the unit, the officials said. But defense officials have said repeatedly in recent days that the Pentagon will be able to flow in additional forces and assets to the region quickly as needed, as Israel continues to fight a war against the terrorist group Hamas.

What has been very clear, especially in the past year from our US military, is that we remain able and capable and willing to dynamically and expeditiously flow force into the region, a senior defense official said Thursday.

The 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit and the USS Bataan are part of amphibious ready group that deployed to the region in July in response to increased Iranian aggression in the Gulf of Oman and surrounding waters.
In recent days, it has been stationed near Kuwait as part of a scheduled exercise there, but it departed early as a result of emerging events, Capt. Angelica White, a spokeswoman for the unit, told the Marine Corps Times on Wednesday.
The US deployed the Ford carrier strike group to the eastern Mediterranean earlier this week as a show of deterrence against any groups or nations who may be tempted to enter the conflict.
Asked for comment, the Navy referred CNNs questions to the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

Wasn't a blank check enough?

What is happening to Palestine is Globally Approved Genocide, Horrific
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What is happening to Palestine is Globally Approved Genocide, Abhorrent

" What Israel is doing is defending the lives of its people and, as I said, trying to make sure that this cannot happen again"

Well, that's certainly one way to try and justify genocide

We can't go back to the status quo that allowed this to happen in the first place

The status quo being Israel's ststus as a colonial apartheid state? Or status quo or Palestinians existing? What a disgusting statement.

Even if Hamas released the hostages at this stage an invasion would not be stopped.

Learned that in 2014 conflict IDF hardliners wanted an invasion into Gaza then. Bibi was worried about casualties but you can assume for which side.

name_unknown posted...

The unit, which is currently on board the USS Bataan amphibious assault ship, is comprised of over 2,000 Marines and sailors and would be capable of supporting a large-scale evacuation. Among the mission essential tasks for a Marine Expeditionary Unit are evacuation operations and humanitarian assistance.

Evacuating Gaza?

in before this is "supporting Israel's apartheid" somehow.

https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1712874826199978448

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1712863526665003266

The west is now complicit in genocide and hopefully history condemns the leaders and children condemn their elders for it.

Those journalists will be found dead before long.

name_unknown posted...

US preps rapid reaction Marine unit for potential deployment toward Israel
From CNN's Natasha Bertrand and Oren Liebermann
The 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, a rapid reaction force capable of conducting special operations, is making preparations in case it is ordered closer to Israel to bolster the US force posture there, multiple US officials tell CNN.

FFS I thought US boots were supposed to stay out of this. It's like they're desperately trying to get back into the middle east again

Unfortunately many of them, yes. The IDF purposely kills journalists in case someone didn't know

VFalcone posted...

FFS I thought US boots were supposed to stay out of this. It's like they're desperately trying to get back into the middle east again

Right now the cover looks to be used as an evac but... things can change in the heat of war

VFalcone posted...

FFS I thought US boots were supposed to stay out of this. It's like they're desperately trying to get back into the middle east again

Oh we have to make an offering to Moloch now, lest Joe looks bad for not paying full attention to Israel previously.

CommonStar posted...

https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1712874826199978448

That's just F'd up. I heard comments saying they were attacking civilians on the safe route but never video evidence.

ZaruenKosai posted...

What is happening to Palestine is Globally Approved Genocide, Horrific

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Well, that's certainly one way to try and justify genocide

The status quo being Israel's ststus as a colonial apartheid state? Or status quo or Palestinians existing? What a disgusting statement.

Funkydog posted...

The west is now complicit in genocide and hopefully history condemns the leaders and children condemn their elders for it.

These

President Biden says he's working urgently to address humanitarian crisis in Gaza
From CNN's Kevin Liptak
US President Joe Biden called Hamas pure evil but said the majority of Palestinians were suffering as a result of the militant groups terror at a Friday speech in Philadelphia.
The president, in some of his most direct public comments about the suffering inside Gaza, said he was working urgently to address the humanitarian crisis in the coastal Palestinian enclave.

We can't lose sight of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians had nothing to do with Hamas, Biden said.
Theyre suffering as a result as well, Biden said.

He also recounted his conversation with the families of Americans missing after the Hamas attacks.
They're going through agony not knowing what the status of their sons, daughters, husbands, wives, children are, he said. You know, it's gut wrenching. I assured them my personal commitment to do everything possible, everything possible to ensure their return.
Biden emphasized that he was working to ensure Israel has what it needs to defend itself.
Fourteen Americans remain unaccounted for, and the White House believes less than a handful are being held hostage by Hamas following the October 7 attacks, National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby has said.

Believe Biden's first words for Palestine's collective punishment.

CommonStar posted...

https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1712874826199978448

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1712863526665003266

I expected this, it's really fucked up. They have no where to go and if they try to leave they will be killed.

God I hope those tweets are not true :(

HHH_is_the_game posted...

God I hope those tweets are not true :(

No dude, you should keep your whole shtick about how Israel is totally not genociding the Palestinians up when you very obviously have not read a single piece of information before this week on the matter.

Ulfar posted...

Those journalists will be found dead before long.

They have already killed journalists that were "at the wrong place at the wrong time" in Lebanon.

CommonStar posted...

https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1712874826199978448

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1712863526665003266

Fuck

butchers

VFalcone posted...

FFS I thought US boots were supposed to stay out of this. It's like they're desperately trying to get back into the middle east again

In fairness, it did say it was for supporting evacuation, but the skeptic in me leads me to believe that's probably only partially true.

EDIT: Didn't see the bolster force part, just the one before it (The unit, which is currently on board the USS Bataan amphibious assault ship, is comprised of over 2,000 Marines and sailors and would be capable of supporting a large-scale evacuation. Among the mission essential tasks for a Marine Expeditionary Unit are evacuation operations and humanitarian assistance.)

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if US soldiers got involved in combat.

NoMeLx22x posted...

No dude, you should keep your whole shtick about how Israel is totally not genociding the Palestinians up when you very obviously have not read a single piece of information before this week on the matter.

Up until now they have not been. But that could change....

I hope those tweets are misleading. I don't see what reason Israel would have to attack civilians evacuating. I wouldn't think they would do that. I hope there is another explanation, that it was Hamas who got attacked or it was not Israel, etc. There is just no good reason for them to do that as it serves no purpose but making things worse for themselves.

legendary_zell posted...

The Israeli government/military may not subjectively have the intent to commit genocide,

The Israeli government and military absolutely do have the intent to commit genocide, and enough of the Israeli population support it to keep people with that intent in power. Never forget that Israel is a democracy; the people comitting these heinous acts were elected by people who are completely aware of the nature of the people they voted for. The people of Gaza had no say in Hamas's actions; the people of Israel had opportunities to have their say on Israel's actions and chose to say they support it.

If Trump won in the US and started actually exterminating the groups the alt-right hates, you'd consider alt-right supporters liable for it. Israel is no different.

I still think the "Israel wants to genocide" everybody thing screams of anti-semitist propaganda because if thats what they wanted things in the past would have looked very differently. I really really hope that the events of this week have not changed that. US honestly should step in

HHH_is_the_game posted...

God I hope those tweets are not true :(

I mean... the truck didn't blow itself up. The citizens are aware of this too. Last night when I was watching the stream, a woman made a stop at some kind of store and her car had like 4 or 5 mattresses stacked on top of it. No doubt she was worried about being struck by a missile.

Some mattresses probably wouldn't stop a damn missile but I commend her for her foresight

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I still think the "Israel wants to genocide" everybody thing screams of anti-semitist propaganda because if thats what they wanted things in the past would have looked very differently. I really really hope that the events of this week have not changed that. US honestly should step in

They want to do it with plausible deniability, at least until it's too late to be stopped.

And once again, Israel is not Judaism. Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic; that's a bullshit narrative created by the pro-Israel crowd to dismiss criticism, and you should give some serious thought as to why you're trying to use irrelevant excuses to shut down criticism of vile terrorists.

VFalcone posted...

I mean... the truck didn't blow itself up. The citizens are aware of this too. Last night when I was watching the stream, a woman made a stop at some kind of store and her car had like 4 or 5 mattresses stacked on top of it. No doubt she was worried about being struck by a missile.

Some mattresses probably wouldn't stop a damn missile but I commend her foresight

Yeah but I don't know the context. Was there Hamas there? Did it have weapons? Was it an accident? Was it even Israel who blew it up? Is that footage actually an escape route? Im not denying its possible like it very well could be I am suspicious/questioning because it would be a very stupid move on their part and I don't completely buy the bloodthirsty genocidal israeli narrative that is going around and so I just would like to know if there is any chance it is not accurate.

If it is real though, it is awful. And scares me about what will happen going forward

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I still think the "Israel wants to genocide" everybody thing screams of anti-semitist propaganda because if thats what they wanted things in the past would have looked very differently. I really really hope that the events of this week have not changed that. US honestly should step in

You know most other genocides around the world were also slow processes as well, right?

Heck, the Nazi's didnt jump straight to the holocaust either. It is all a process of making them suffer and trying to force them to leave, before eradicating those that remain and doing it under the pretence of 'defending yourself'. You demonize them and make excuses in order to get 'the bad ones'

Trumble posted...

They want to do it with plausible deniability, at least until it's too late to be stopped.

And once again, Israel is not Judaism. Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic; that's a bullshit narrative created by the pro-Israel crowd to dismiss criticism.

Of course criticizing Israel is not anti-semitic, like criticizing BLM is not racist, but that doesn't mean that people with those views don't have harsher or stricter views on the associated agencies. Painting Israel as genocidal nazis could very well be based on anti-semitic views

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Yeah but I don't know the context. Was there Hamas there? Did it have weapons? Was it an accident? Was it even Israel who blew it up? Is that footage actually an escape route? Im not denying its possible like it very well could be I am suspicious/questioning because it would be a very stupid move on their part and I don't completely buy the bloodthirsty genocidal israeli narrative that is going around and so I just would like to know if there is any chance it is not accurate.

If it is real though, it is awful. And scares me about what will happen going forward

I wanna give you the benefit of the doubt that you really are this innocent about this. It's coming off a lot like babbys first genocide. This isn't an unusual way and is more standard. All those mass slaughters you read about took months to years to decades, no different from what is happening here

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I still think the "Israel wants to genocide" everybody thing screams of anti-semitist propaganda because if thats what they wanted things in the past would have looked very differently. I really really hope that the events of this week have not changed that. US honestly should step in

They're happy as long as they can slowly choke them out without backlash. They get the land, the right wing has a boogeyman to run against to keep the left/people of conscience scared and in check, they keep international support that they'd be in trouble without. We have a hard enough time reacting to quick genocide, our international institutions have no way of dealing with slow ethnic cleansing, apartheid, settlement, and apartheid, because no specific incident triggers a genocide alarm, and violent responses by the Palestinians take the form of terrorism because that's literally all they can do.

All of this costs only the occasional flareup of violence and condemnation by irrelevant foreign groups. The calculus has been changed here because Hamas managed to catch Israel off guard, cut through their sophisticated defenses, and then inflict lopsided casualties on Israeli military personnel and civilians. For the first time ever. That's why quick genocide didn't happen until now, but the possibility has been there since the beginning and the will and the international cover has been growing. Now they're both at their maximum, so the indiscriminate killing begins.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Of course criticizing Israel is not anti-semitic, like criticizing BLM is not racist, but that doesn't mean that people with those views don't have harsher or stricter views on the associated agencies. Painting Israel as genocidal nazis could very well be based on anti-semitic views

No, it could not, and you should go think long and hard about why you're trying to argue that it could.

It is different though. The history of the region has Israel as not just oppressor but victim as well. This is not nazi germany. This is a marginalized people surrounded by people that want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. Palestinians are margenalized too. So it's a very messy situation.

I saw something on reddit that really sums up how I feel. If Hamas lays own their arms there would be peace. If Israel lay down their arms, their would be no more Israel or Israelis. Like they are surrounded by genuinely explicitly genocidal forces and numerous times throughout history their people have been attempted to be wiped out.

So this is not some standard oppressive 'genocide' but a country that is fighting for their survival as well and is not willing to let a second Holocaust come their way.

This conflict could very well be what flips them to the other side though and I certainly hope it isnt but it isnt as simple as some people make it out to be.

Dont tell me he seriously believes that Hamas blew it up just to spread some anti-Israel propaganda...

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I saw something on reddit that really sums up how I feel. If Hamas lays own their arms there would be peace. If Israel lay down their arms, their would be no more Israel or Israelis.

What a surprise, the genocide denier pulls out yet another overused soundbite the genocidal regime uses to try and guilt people into supporting it.

Just close your fucking account already.

Foppe posted...

Dont tell me he seriously believes that Hamas blew it up just to spread some anti-Israel propaganda...

Israel supporters will believe anything if it makes Israel look good or the population they're trying to exterminate look bad. Let's keep in mind that for a long time (and still, to some extent), support for Israel was near exclusively the domain of the religious right-wing, and we all know what their relationship with facts is like.