Board 8 > Most Evil Fictional Character: Griffith vs. Albert Wesker

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Welcome to the 2023 edition of Most Evil Fictional Character, a single-elimination tournament to determine the most evil fictional character of all time!

Here's the bracket:

https://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=477621&tclass=

And here's the discussion topic:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80568652

And here are the rules:

-First and foremost, YOU MUST BOLD YOUR VOTE FOR IT TO COUNT. The reason for this is that these topics encourage a lot of discussion and debate, and it helps me to distinguish a vote from simple discussion if all votes are bolded. So, I state again, ALL VOTES MUST BE BOLDED FOR THEM TO COUNT. I reserve the right to be lenient in early topics if people just aren't getting it, but for the most part, IF YOUR VOTE ISN'T BOLDED, IT WON'T COUNT.

-You must vote for which of the two characters you honestly believe to be the more evil of the two. You can determine this via any method you like, use your own morals and judgement, read all the arguments made to determine your choice, or however you choose to make your pick, but you must only vote for the one you truly believe is the most evil. This isn't a death battle, or a popularity contest. You're voting ONLY for the most evil character out of the two choices presented.

-While on that subject, remember that because this isn't a death battle or a fighting tournament, do your absolute best to consider the two characters as if their power levels were equal (either the weaker character brought up to the level of the strongest, or vice versa, or both if you want to consider both possibilities). Therefore, just because, for example, one of the characters blew up a planet and the other one merely kicked a puppy, doesn't necessarily mean the planet killer is more evil than the puppy kicker. Consider the characters as if they have the exact same capabilities and what they might do in that scenario.

-You can make any arguments, debates, etc. you want in this topic. Discussion is STRONGLY encouraged, a fun debate about which of the two characters is most evil is exactly what these topics are for. Just don't make it personal, no insults or flaming, keep things civil even if you disagree. Also, no vote rallying, if you want to encourage people to vote for your character you need to at least make some semblance of an argument as to why, even if it's just "Character X did (really dastardly thing), I can't believe no one's voting for them!"

-Voting will continue for exactly 24 hours after the post is made. If there's a tie, there will be a new 24 hour topic. This will continue indefinitely until a winner is determined.

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The following write-ups will contain untagged SPOILERS for the Berserk anime and manga and the Resident Evil series. Proceed at your own risk!

GRIFFITH

Griffith is a major antagonist in the anime and manga series Berserk.

As a mercenary, Griffith fought in the Hundred Year War and restored peace to the war-torn kingdom of Midland and was once a close friend and ally of Guts. After being tortured, however, he used the eclipse to sacrifice his entire army and later was reborn as Femto, the fifth, newest, and final member of the God Hand. He is the arch-nemesis of Guts. Griffith was willing to sacrifice everything for the dream of his own kingdom, believing that he is destined for things greater than the average man. After winning the war for Midland, Griffith loses to Guts in a duel which stipulates that Guts remain in his service should he lose and freed if he wins. This loss results in Guts' desertion from the Falcons. Seeing Guts and Casca loving each other finally drove him insane (in his final moments before the Eclipse, he dreamed of a normal life, with children and Casca as his wife). Despairing the loss of his dream at Guts' influence, his state of madness that coincided with both the reappearance of his lost Behelit and a solar eclipse. It was during this event that Griffith gave into his despair and submitted himself to become the fifth member of the God Hand, sacrificing the Band of the Falcon in order to be reborn as Femto. His first act upon his transformation was to rape Casca before Guts' eyes. Griffith was once a fair, honorable and straightforward man. However, as a mercenary, he is also extremely opportunistic, ambitious and power-hungry. Still, when not on the job, he does have a less serious, more playful and joking side. This side of him is usually reserved for Casca or Guts, especially the latter. However, Griffith is also quite sociopathic, narcissistic, manipulative, vicious, and obsessive to the point that he was willing to strike Guts down than to let him go when the larger man muses about leaving. After being reborn as Femto, all traces of his morality, emotions, and conscience have been completely erased. Griffith has now become a full-blown psychopath: extremely callous, pitiless, remorseless, uncaring, and sadistic monster, as he sees Guts and the Falcons as nothing, but tools and he discards them like garbage when they are no longer useful.

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ALBERT WESKER

Albert Wesker is a major antagonist in the Resident Evil series.

Wesker has been one of the series' main antagonists as a member of Umbrella Corporation, manipulating story events behind-the-scenes. Wesker first appears as a non-playable character in the original Resident Evil game, where he is the commanding officer for the Alpha team of the Special Tactics And Rescue Service (S.T.A.R.S.). He is also secretly a double agent for the Umbrella Corporation, where he is employed as a researcher to develop mutagenic viruses and bio-organic weapons (BOWs). Wesker lures the S.T.A.R.S. teams to a mansion overrun with zombies and other deadly BOWs to study the combat effectiveness of Umbrella's creations. He initially helps the player by providing supplies and useful information, but his true motives are discovered by surviving S.T.A.R.S. members Chris Redfield and Jill Valentine. He survives his apparent demise due to an experimental virus which grants him superhuman speed, strength, and regeneration. Wesker then begins to work for an unnamed rival to the Umbrella Corporation and conducts a raid on a secret research facility in Antarctica in Resident Evil Code: Veronica. Wesker is defeated by Chris Redfield, who arrives at the facility while searching for his missing sister Claire. Afterwards, Wesker continues to sell viral agents and BOWs on the black market. Wesker makes a cameo in Resident Evil 4 and its 2023 remake, where he is revealed to be working with Ada Wong to obtain a specimen sample for further BOW research. In Resident Evil 5, Wesker conspires to release the Uroboros virus across the world.To further his own plans, Wesker betrays his allies, fakes his death, gains superhuman abilities, and works with both Umbrella's mysterious rival company and their successors in the field of biological weapons development until his ultimate defeat by Chris Redfield in Resident Evil 5. He believed that he was chosen to achieve the ultimate goal of causing the mass extinction of humanity in favor of evolution. Albert Wesker is a very power-hungry, traitorous, manipulative, ruthless, misanthropic, sadistic, and calculating individual who seeks power and dominance over everything. Wesker works constantly behind the scenes, often using others to do his dirty work for him. He maintains a calm, collected, and enthusiastic manner most of the time and is always looking to bring payback to anyone who wrongs him. Wesker can manipulate others to work for him, but he doesn't care for anyone except himself, as noted by his betrayal of his S.T.A.R.S. Unit and Excella. He believes that he is destined to be the god of a new world, one that he would create by "purifying" the current one.

Huh this one is actually tough as they are pretty similar (unless I am missing some things that Berserk and Resident Evil buffs can fill in). Both screwed over their allies and tried to change the world to rule over who remained in the aftermath (though in Griffith's case that was more it getting blown up by behelit/eclipse stuff as he just wanted to rule his own kingdom).

On one hand, if I recall right, Griffith's dream was sorta more noble than Wesker's and he got fucked over harder by the jerkass king after his bit with the princess (albeit likely only happening due to his salt over Guts bailing). Griffith's actions fucked up the world but he at least made a utopia for everyone who could get there and he does seem to care about his subjects (even if only in a possessions sorta way). Meanwhile Wesker wanted to mass purge the planet with tentacle virus so only those like him who could handle it would survive, and he likely didn't really care about those people either outside of lording over him as "the most superior". His plan was kind of nuttier compared to Griffith's.

...buuuuuut Wesker didn't go sexually raping Chris' girlfriend right in front of him like Griffith/Femto did with Guts...Though Wesker DID control Jill and had her try to murder Chris...Raping a girl stupid vs turning a girl into slave and make her try killing em...

Plus there is the whole causality/fate bullshit from the god hand which is a big thing in the Berserk setting so Griffith was sorta fucked from the get go with the behelit and by extension everything else. Does that detract from Griffith's overall evilness then?

Waiting on more arguments.

Griffith did everything wrong. He unleashes brutality that is far too much for even Wesker and also does a lot of raping people even before he becomes a demon.

Also the point of the Golden Age arc is that Griffith was always bad from the start. He was never noble he was just using the appearance of a hero.

Wesker

Been a long time since I've read it but I remember Griffith being a completely broken husk of a person who had been tortured to the edge of death for years before he used his demon-egg thing.
He was a person of endless ambition reduced to a shell that could hardly move or talk, he took the path did what he did out of ambition not necessarily out of desire to be evil. (Might apply to Wesker too? Don't follow RE lore too closely. I always remember Wesker just being a moustache twirling villain.)

xenosaga posted...

Wesker

Been a long time since I've read it but I remember Griffith being a completely broken husk of a person who had been tortured to the edge of death for years before he used his demon-egg thing.
He was a person of endless ambition reduced to a shell that could hardly move or talk, he took the path did what he did out of ambition not necessarily out of desire to be evil. (Might apply to Wesker too? Don't follow RE lore too closely. I always remember Wesker just being a moustache twirling villain.)

To be very clear on Griffith: he does a ton of heinous stuff before he gets tortured from cold blooded murder to basically raping someone. He really was always a monster the behelit just gave him the ability to do much more.

Griffith

Despicable person

Wesker seems to lack a key "cruelty" component in his evil that I think the other guy may have from the writeups so I'm leaning the other guy atm

Albert Wesker

Look Griffith sounds like a bad guy but Wesker helped torture and experiment on Lisa Trevor, who was abducted as a mere child, for literal decades. He betrays his mentor Dr. James Marcus, assassinating him in cold-blood and gloating as he died. Wesker threatens to kill Barry's family (including his two young daughters) if Barry doesn't do everything he says during the Mansion Incident (it's ultimately an empty, fake threat but still very cruel to hold over Barry's head). In Resident Evil 4 remake, Wesker wants to kill BILLIONS of people across the planet. To me, it's no question how absolutely vile and evil Wesker is.

(It's non-canon but Wesker is also implied to be a rapist and I think tries to rape Jill in the Perry novels iirc)

wesker since he doesn't mind potentially annihilating all of humanity with different viruses. griffith sounds p evil too but i know wesker is a bad, bad man

griffith, though wesker is posing a mean argument.

I mean, Griffith rapes his best friends girlfriend in front of him, horribly massacres all of his loyal followers, AND unleashes an apocalypse that threatens to wipe out humanity! Very much the worst of both worlds.

Wesker

LightningStrikes posted...

basically raping someone

What is this? I don't remember that as a pre-Eclipse thing.

Wesker but this is a fitting matchup

Can't vote as I never saw Berserk and I don't want to spoil myself

But if this was real-
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyAlbxiuUKp/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D
I would have voted for Griffith easily

total global saturation

wesker

MacArrowny posted...

Wesker

What is this? I don't remember that as a pre-Eclipse thing.

Charlotte. Its not referred to as such after the fact but the way its depicted clearly is and deliberately so I think.