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Heineken14
10/01/23 1:58:19 PM
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bfslick50 posted...


Think of how terrible itd be if Biden had to drop out and we lost our incumbent advantage. Thats why we should throw away our incumbent advantage now! Guarantee that we dont get it so GQP has a sporting chance.

My money is on the exercising 80 year old faring better than the obese 78 year old.


"Look, just because there is a very tiny chance a healthy 80 year old could suddenly without question drop dead, I am going to have to side with the right that we should take the unprecedented steps of forcing out an incumbent president a year before the election for no other reason than I am believing right wing talking points. I am very smart!"

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 1:59:10 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
What happened when Trump almost died before the election? Oh, he still ran?


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Republicans tanking their campaign by trotting out an unhealthy geriatric that could die or go to prison at any moment is their own fucking problem. How does that hurt the dems like trotting out literally the only candidate that could rival Trump in that he could have a single health scare and hand the election to fascists?

This isn't hard.


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bfslick50
10/01/23 2:00:39 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Incumbent advantage applies to party btw, not president.

History disagrees with you. H. W. Bush and Herbert Hoover are the only people in the last 100 years to not be an incumbent and keep the presidency for their party.

So you seriously believe having no candidate in the middle of an election is better than putting up a candidate who could win just as easily who won't suddenly not be a candidate anymore?

Not just as easily and any candidate has the potential of dying. Biden dying puts us in the same position that you want to put us in now. If it's so bad, then why are you wanting to make it happen?

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 2:12:14 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
History disagrees with you. H. W. Bush and Herbert Hoover are the only people in the last 100 years to not be an incumbent and keep the presidency for their party.

Not just as easily and any candidate has the potential of dying. Biden dying puts us in the same position that you want to put us in now. If it's so bad, then why are you wanting to make it happen?

Well this is definitely the most disinginuous accusation of the topic. I surely will be responding to this good faith poster.


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Heineken14
10/01/23 2:13:42 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...


Well this is definitely the most disinginuous accusation of the topic. I surely will be responding to this good faith poster.



You've been arguing in multiple topics now that you want to force Biden out and have "other candidate" run.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 2:16:06 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
You've been arguing in multiple topics now that you want to force Biden out and have "other candidate" run.

Because I don't want the country's future against fascism hinging on a geriatric center right candidate making it until election day without a single health hiccup. Especially when his literal VP would win.

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bfslick50
10/01/23 2:19:20 PM
#207:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Because I don't want the country's future against fascism hinging on a geriatric center right candidate making it until election day without a single health hiccup. Especially when his literal VP would win.

If his VP would win then whats the issue with his VP taking over if something happens to him?

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 2:20:41 PM
#208:


bfslick50 posted...
If his VP would win then whats the issue with his VP taking over if something happens to him?

Nothing after the election. During the election? That's a complete clusterfuck.

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bfslick50
10/01/23 2:29:49 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Nothing after the election. During the election? That's a complete clusterfuck.

If it happened now theres still time to run a primary. If it happens late the DNC will pick someone and according to you theres lots of options for who could win instead.

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ClayGuida
10/01/23 2:30:06 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Nothing after the election. During the election? That's a complete clusterfuck.
Who should they run that could win a national election?

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 2:31:58 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
If it happened now theres still time to run a primary. If it happens late the DNC will pick someone and according to you theres lots of options for who could win instead.

You don't see how the DNC scrambling to find a replacement midway to the latter end of the election would make moderates lose confidence?

Come on now

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 2:33:30 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Who should they run that could win a national election?

Kamala. Gavin. AOC. Literally anybody.

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bfslick50
10/01/23 2:35:29 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
You don't see how the DNC scrambling to find a replacement midway to the latter end of the election would make moderates lose confidence?

Come on now

Scramble? It could easily be a quick process that they prepared for and the new candidate can restore confidence if theyre any good. If they arent good enough to instill confidence then starting the process now isnt going to make them better.

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ClayGuida
10/01/23 2:48:17 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Kamala. Gavin. AOC. Literally anybody.
So if Biden dies before the election, it'll be Kamala. What's your issue?

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asdf8562
10/01/23 2:48:53 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Kamala. Gavin. AOC. Literally anybody.
This post is why people call you a disingenuous right winger.
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Smackems
10/01/23 2:50:25 PM
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Biden is so far my favorite president behind Bush and I hope they make him immortal and emperor for life

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 2:56:03 PM
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Because if something happens to Joe Biden towards the end of the election, there's not enough time to campaign and debate. Moderates are going to go with the candidate that's left.

By your logic, if something happens to Biden in August and they replaced him with a plumber, the dems should still win right?

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ClayGuida
10/01/23 2:59:31 PM
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If Biden died in August, your choice Kamala would be the incumbent and sitting POTUS.

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Ryangrad
10/01/23 3:06:28 PM
#220:


Not surprised the guy who blocked me after he said he wasn't about to block me is shitting up this topic.

More "I'm totally not a right-wing troll" shit while pushing right-wing troll shit. And then trying to argue that anyone who is against his right-wing trolling tactics is actually against leftist.

There is no reason to replace Biden if he is still alive and well. If he randomly dies, which can happen to anyone, then Kamala Harris because President, so that doesn't even matter.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 3:06:37 PM
#221:


asdf8562 posted...
This post is why people call you a disingenuous right winger.

Yep, I'm a pro LGBT, universal health care supporting, anti fascist and socialist leaning, police defunding advocating, climate change believing, pro choice alt righter!

You got me!

ClayGuida posted...
If Biden died in August, your choice Kamala would be the incumbent and sitting POTUS.

Actually the issue isn't if he dies. It's if his health is in question. Kamala would not be the candidate or incumbent at that point. It would be a disaster.

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Bandit_Keith
10/01/23 3:11:29 PM
#222:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Actually the issue isn't if he dies. It's if his health is in question. Kamala would not be the candidate or incumbent at that point. It would be a disaster.
That doesn't make any sense. Why would his health be in question, but only his health and no one else's? And why would someone who would vote for Biden/Harris, knowing that Harris would take over as President if anything happened, not still vote for them anyway? Biden/Harris or Harris/Newsom. It doesn't really matter.

There is nothing Biden can do that wouldn't have the Right-wing media attack them over baseless claims. And you can put anybody else in that spot and the right would still attack them with random baseless garbage. If he needs removal, only then should it happen. Not beforehand. No need to make things worse.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 3:16:29 PM
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If Biden, god forbid, has a stroke in August, is said to be recovering in September, and in October the dems still can't decide if they should go full speed with him or Kamala, then that is a major issue and there is essentially no candidate.

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ClayGuida
10/01/23 3:18:02 PM
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The concern trolling is strong.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 3:18:57 PM
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Wanting to make sure Trump isn't elected isn't concern trolling, no matter how much you'd rather risk it because you support Biden more than you support antifascism.

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Bandit_Keith
10/01/23 3:18:59 PM
#226:


There's no reason to worry about the scenario that you just made up any more than there is to worry about a candidate having a random aneurysm. And even in your scenario, they do have a candidate.

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Intro2Logic
10/01/23 3:20:02 PM
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What I would say is: the Democratic Party is ordinarily concerned with polling and "elect ability." It's glaring that the response from party officials towards polls suggesting most people, even most Democrats, have concerns with Biden's age is "ignore it."

People are pitching Biden as the guy with the best chance to win, but his age does carry a big risk towards that, imo.

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hockeybub89
10/01/23 3:23:30 PM
#228:


Bandit_Keith posted...
There's no reason to worry about the scenario that you just made up any more than there is to worry about a candidate having a random aneurysm. And even in your scenario, they do have a candidate.
Biden dropping dead would be bad, since I have heard he is the only person we could find since Trump won in 2016 who can save us from the total destruction of American society and the eradication of millions of LGBTQ people. And he is in his 80s, so the risk of death is a lot more present than some younger person randomly having an aneurysm. It should be illegal for people like Biden, Trump, Bernie, etc to run for office.

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ClayGuida
10/01/23 3:24:06 PM
#229:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Wanting to make sure Trump isn't elected isn't concern trolling, no matter how much you'd rather risk it because you support Biden more than you support antifascism.
Your concern is noted.

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asdf8562
10/01/23 3:34:17 PM
#230:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Yep, I'm a pro LGBT, universal health care supporting, anti fascist and socialist leaning, police defunding advocating, climate change believing, pro choice alt righter!

You got me!
Tell you what, if some regulars here can vouch for you in advocating for those things outside your concern topics about Bidens age, I might believe you. Keyword here is outside.

In which case that just makes you an ignorant progressive who's clueless and not serious about an alternative. You listed 3 people that either can't win or don't wish to run.
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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 3:34:59 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
Tell you what, if some regulars here can vouch for you in advocating for those things outside your concern topics about Bidens age, I might believe you.

In which case that just makes you an ignorant progressive who's clueless and not serious about an alternative. You listed 3 people that either can't win or don't wish to run.

Nobody wishes to run. Come on.

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asdf8562
10/01/23 3:35:32 PM
#232:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Nobody wishes to run. Come on.
You are only helping my case here.
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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 3:37:49 PM
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Absolutely bullshit. Shock with the projection again, his gimmick today is gaslighting.

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Because when I call out conservatives 99% of the time, nobody argues with me because the mods thankfully banned all of them. But when I argue with people who defend establishment dems over progressives or leftists, suddenly I'm an alt righter.

It's because 261 was closed down. That was a centrist hellhole.

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Shadow_Don
10/01/23 3:38:44 PM
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Not to take a dig at Bernie because he was my preferred choice in 2016 and 2020

But its definitely noticeable that he wasn't getting even 1/10th of the flak Biden is getting for his age

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Evil_Nice_Guy
10/01/23 3:39:27 PM
#236:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Trump will be in prison

God I hope you're right.
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Bandit_Keith
10/01/23 3:51:11 PM
#238:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Absolutely bullshit. Shock with the projection again, his gimmick today is gaslighting.
I don't think you know what projecting is, my guy. And you already admitted before that you were a hardcore conservative years ago before Trump. So instead of trying to hide that, maybe just be honest and say you You've long since swung the other way.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 3:52:43 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...
I don't think you know what projecting is, my guy. And you already admitted before that you were a hardcore conservative years ago before Trump. So instead of trying to hide that, maybe just be honest and say you You've long since swung the other way.

I never said I was a hardcore conservative. I said I was a conservative and this was over 7 years ago. I didn't post about politics back then.

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Heineken14
10/01/23 4:38:37 PM
#240:


SayHeyyShohei posted...


Because I don't want the country's future against fascism hinging on a geriatric center right candidate making it until election day without a single health hiccup. Especially when his literal VP would win.


But you support forcing out an incumbent president for no reason other than you follow along with right wing talking points, which has more of a chance of gifting the right a win. You should make up your mind on whether or not you want the fascists to win.

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Heineken14
10/01/23 4:40:04 PM
#241:


SayHeyyShohei posted...


You don't see how the DNC scrambling to find a replacement midway to the latter end of the election would make moderates lose confidence?

Come on now


You don't see how the DNC forcing out an incumbent president and now they have to scramble to cobble together a primary a year before the election would make moderates lose confidence?

Come on now.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 4:40:44 PM
#242:


Heineken14 posted...
for no reason other than you follow along with right wing talking points

Once again, wanting geriatric politicians out of office is not a right wing talking point. This has been a progressive talking point for decades and I'll be damned if you're going to start calling it a right wing talking point when it's not the age that's the issue for conservatives, it's the "biden man bad" rhetoric.

You don't see how the DNC forcing out an incumbent president and now they have to scramble to cobble together a primary a year before the election would make moderates lose confidence?

Come on now.

In your world, a candidate preparing over a year ahead of time before a single debate or campaign rally would be worse than candidate limbo in the middle of September 2024.

Okay.

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hockeybub89
10/01/23 4:41:21 PM
#243:


Heineken14 posted...
You don't see how the DNC forcing out an incumbent president and now they have to scramble to cobble together a primary a year before the election would make moderates lose confidence?

Come on now.
Do moderates not care if LGBTQ people die en masse?

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Heineken14
10/01/23 4:43:12 PM
#244:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Wanting to make sure Trump isn't elected isn't concern trolling, no matter how much you'd rather risk it because you support Biden more than you support antifascism.


You're the one that wants to risk it by forcing out an incumbent president because you believe right wing talking points.

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10/01/23 5:02:38 PM
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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 5:26:53 PM
#246:


Heineken14 posted...
You're the one that wants to risk it by forcing out an incumbent president because you believe right wing talking points.

Are you caught in a loop? I already addressed why both of these points are wrong. Which is weird, because you talk about right wing talking points but getting caught in a loop is generally what right wingers do...

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SayHeyyShohei
10/01/23 5:28:16 PM
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Who is this addressed at? What right wingers are currently masquerading as progressives? I know Tulsi Gabbard did, but she was outed. Joe Rogan as well. Jimmy Dore is dangerously approaching there.

Not sure what this has to do with anything though.

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Inohira
10/01/23 5:34:09 PM
#248:


Shadow_Don posted...
Not to take a dig at Bernie because he was my preferred choice in 2016 and 2020

But its definitely noticeable that he wasn't getting even 1/10th of the flak Biden is getting for his age

Because Bernie is still a clear talker. Unlike Biden or Trump. Bloomberg, as gross as he is, is another example of an old candidate who's still coherent. You get hit more for your age when you actually sound your age.

Also the media was attacking Bernie for his age plenty in the primary. They just don't do it now since he's out of the presidential picture.

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bfslick50
10/01/23 5:42:20 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
If Biden, god forbid, has a stroke in August, is said to be recovering in September, and in October the dems still can't decide if they should go full speed with him or Kamala, then that is a major issue and there is essentially no candidate.

So your scenario is a 3 month window where Biden has something so serious he cant do his job but not so serious that we keep him in power?

SayHeyyShohei posted...
Are you caught in a loop? I already addressed why both of these points are wrong. Which is weird, because you talk about right wing talking points but getting caught in a loop is generally what right wingers do...

You did not. You claimed incumbency advantage benefitted the party regardless of who was actually running while not addressing why that wasnt the case for H Clinton, McCain, Gore, etc. The last 100 years has 2 examples of what you claim to be common.

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