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ZMythos 09/25/23 10:10:09 PM #151:	Expulsions can also affect families in significant ways. Siblings of the expelled may not be able to change schools for various reasons, impacting the ways said siblings and parents may interact with the old school and the new one for the expelled. Shared lunch accounts, transportation, extracurricular participation, and childcare can all be affected in negative ways. So, I assert that in this case, an expulsion is too severe a punishment for the perpetrators. There are ways to reestablish the physical and mental safety of the victims, teach the perpetrators a lesson about cyberbullying and sexual harassment, and mitigate the negative externalities by choosing a more appropriate punishment. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:976307271] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Expulsions can also affect families in significant ways. Siblings of the expelled may not be able to change schools for various reasons, impacting the ways said siblings and parents may interact with the old school and the new one for the expelled. Shared lunch accounts, transportation, extracurricular participation, and childcare can all be affected in negative ways. So, I assert that in this case, an expulsion is too severe a punishment for the perpetrators. There are ways to reestablish the physical and mental safety of the victims, teach the perpetrators a lesson about cyberbullying and sexual harassment, and mitigate the negative externalities by choosing a more appropriate punishment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gritty 09/25/23 10:11:38 PM #152:	These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists. <cite>Gritty posted [p:976307290] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/25/23 10:15:30 PM #153:	Gritty posted... These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists. Wew. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:976307359] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Gritty posted... </cite><quote>These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists.</quote>Wew. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/25/23 10:23:12 PM #154:	Huh. Like halfway through that article it says "we're not actually sure of anything we said". Fuckin', sensationalist headlines. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:976307490] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Huh. Like halfway through that article it says "we're not actually sure of anything we said". Fuckin', sensationalist headlines. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 09/25/23 10:37:39 PM #155:	Gritty posted... These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/9/AALk4HAAE35F.jpg --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:976307722] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Gritty posted... </cite><quote>These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists.</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/9/AALk4HAAE35F.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/25/23 11:03:59 PM #156:	Gritty posted... These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists. Its been insinuated the entire topic, but someone finally said it. Wow. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976308133] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Gritty posted... </cite><quote>These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists.</quote>Its been insinuated the entire topic, but someone finally said it. Wow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 09/25/23 11:42:02 PM #157:	PraetorXyn posted... Its been insinuated the entire topic, but someone finally said it. Wow. Some people really can't tell the difference between expelled and 20 to life in prison. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:976308641] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Its been insinuated the entire topic, but someone finally said it. Wow.</quote>Some people really can't tell the difference between expelled and 20 to life in prison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mazingetter 09/26/23 12:28:17 AM #158:	Gritty posted... These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists. Was there sexual intercourse/penetration involved? <cite>mazingetter posted [p:976309192] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Gritty posted... </cite><quote>These kids took pictures of these girls bodies without their consent. They absolutely 100% deserve to be expelled. Theyre basically rapists.</quote>Was there sexual intercourse/penetration involved?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 09/26/23 12:37:03 AM #159:	The kids need to be expelled not because it's the most appropriate punishment for them, but so the can create a safe environment for their victims. Like I don't know how you can expect the students who were photographed to be able to be comfortable in an environment where they have to continually interact with their photographer. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:976309304] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>The kids need to be expelled not because it's the most appropriate punishment for them, but so the can create a safe environment for their victims. Like I don't know how you can expect the students who were photographed to be able to be comfortable in an environment where they have to continually interact with their photographer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoBlazer 09/26/23 12:51:05 AM #160:	I've already brought this up, but what about bullied students who are also uncomfortable being around their bullies? Should all bullies be expelled? --- Burnin, Blazin <cite>YoBlazer posted [p:976309431] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>I've already brought this up, but what about bullied students who are also uncomfortable being around their bullies? Should all bullies be expelled? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/26/23 12:51:40 AM #161:	to all the ppl saying how this could effect the poor boys WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS you know these girls are going to get bullied over this you know right wing news media is going to slander them for daring to speak out imagine how hard it will be for them to even get a simple part time job where ppl will harass them at work which could lead to them getting fired for causing problems when they did nothing oh does this sound to fantastical for ya well you sure dont have a problem thinking of the ways the boys futures could be effected --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:976309437] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>to all the ppl saying how this could effect the poor boysWHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMSyou know these girls are going to get bullied over this you know right wing news media is going to slander them for daring to speak outimagine how hard it will be for them to even get a simple part time jobwhere ppl will harass them at work which could lead to them getting fired for causing problems when they did nothingoh does this sound to fantastical for ya well you sure dont have a problem thinking of the ways the boys futures could be effected </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Daffadilio 09/26/23 1:32:01 AM #162:	Link_of_time posted... Sure, but at no point in that scenario should the school enact disciplinary actions as no violations happened on school grounds. At best, that would necessitate the boys and victims be separated from any shared classes. Your actions outside of school and school functions, are beyond the purview of the school. I agree that this is a good teaching moment for all involved. I'm just baffled by the idea that a school should have any authority to enact punishment over activities outside of their domain. Discipline should be at the parents discretion. The possibility of no punishment is not a reason for the school to intervene in a parents authority. so if this were a boys went to one school, girls to another, even though it was severe enough that the school caught wind of it- there should be no intervention, save for from the parents? Are you serious? If you make racist comments as an adult and it gets back to your employer, they have every right to fire you. If you go to college and are arrested- on or off grounds, there is the possibility of expulsion. while I understand these are kids, that doesnt excuse them from being bound by a code of conduct, which is VERY real, even outside school hours. --- You remind me of the times when I knew who I was... <cite>Daffadilio posted [p:976309795] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Link_of_time posted... </cite><quote>Sure, but at no point in that scenario should the school enact disciplinary actions as no violations happened on school grounds. At best, that would necessitate the boys and victims be separated from any shared classes. Your actions outside of school and school functions, are beyond the purview of the school. I agree that this is a good teaching moment for all involved. I'm just baffled by the idea that a school should have any authority to enact punishment over activities outside of their domain. Discipline should be at the parents discretion. The possibility of no punishment is not a reason for the school to intervene in a parents authority.</quote>so if this were a boys went to one school, girls to another, even though it was severe enough that the school caught wind of it- there should be no intervention, save for from the parents? Are you serious?If you make racist comments as an adult and it gets back to your employer, they have every right to fire you. If you go to college and are arrested- on or off grounds, there is the possibility of expulsion.while I understand these are kids, that doesnt excuse them from being bound by a code of conduct, which is VERY real, even outside school hours. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 09/26/23 2:16:57 AM #163:	AceMos posted... imagine how hard it will be for them to even get a simple part time job what --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976310095] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>imagine how hard it will be for them to even get a simple part time job</quote>what </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/26/23 2:31:14 AM #164:	Gobstoppers12 posted... what its almost as if i described what i ment but you decided to cut that part out to remove the context of my statement but gob gona gob --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:976310192] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>what</quote> its almost as if i described what i ment but you decided to cut that part out to remove the context of my statement but gob gona gob </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
X8Azazel8X 09/26/23 2:44:29 AM #165:	Hell no they shouldn't be expelled. Its the fault of the school as much as the students for not knowing that was wrong. Are there any guidlines spelled out about this in the school rules of conduct? if not then that should be added. Cell phones should be banned. Anyone caught with one should be suspended on the spot. The kids should all made to do community service along with what ever punishment they have available. Suspension I guess is okay but I think should be held in reserve for any further offense against the preventative measures made. --- No matter how gaudy you make your appearance...it is only a facade.. Obama/Biden/Harris Elected Hopes Rise..Fears Shatter <cite>X8Azazel8X posted [p:976310284] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Hell no they shouldn't be expelled. Its the fault of the school as much as the students for not knowing that was wrong. Are there any guidlines spelled out about this in the school rules of conduct? if not then that should be added.Cell phones should be banned. Anyone caught with one should be suspended on the spot. The kids should all made to do community service along with what ever punishment they have available. Suspension I guess is okay but I think should be held in reserve for any further offense against the preventative measures made. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 09/26/23 2:52:35 AM #166:	AceMos posted... its almost as if i described what i ment So I guess the part I'm wondering about is...if the boys get expelled, does the imaginary problem you stated somehow become solved? --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976310339] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>its almost as if i described what i ment</quote>So I guess the part I'm wondering about is...if the boys get expelled, does the imaginary problem you stated somehow become solved? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 09/26/23 3:19:02 AM #167:	The only bodies you should grade are the governing ones. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976310494] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>The only bodies you should grade are the governing ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 09/26/23 3:20:51 AM #168:	YoBlazer posted... I've already brought this up, but what about bullied students who are also uncomfortable being around their bullies? Should all bullies be expelled? I may have had a pleasant time in middle school if my bullies got the boot. But the realist in me realizes that's impractical. Even over 20 years later it boggles my mind that despite the best efforts of my mother almost none of them were kept off my team. /rant --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:976310509] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>YoBlazer posted... </cite><quote>I've already brought this up, but what about bullied students who are also uncomfortable being around their bullies? Should all bullies be expelled?</quote>I may have had a pleasant time in middle school if my bullies got the boot. But the realist in me realizes that's impractical. Even over 20 years later it boggles my mind that despite the best efforts of my mother almost none of them were kept off my team. /rant </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CobraGT 09/26/23 3:24:55 AM #169:	I see that the need for school to be a safe place . Expelling them does not bother me. I am deeply disturbed that these girls feel "they must be punished and made an example of and there is no other option". A petition and demanding expulsion seems like rote thinking where innovation is needed. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 <cite>CobraGT posted [p:976310545] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>I see that the need for school to be a safe place . Expelling them does not bother me.I am deeply disturbed that these girls feel "they must be punished and made an example of and there is no other option". A petition and demanding expulsion seems like rote thinking where innovation is needed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 09/26/23 3:27:01 AM #170:	CobraGT posted... A petition and demanding expulsion seems like rote thinking where innovation is needed. Petitions that work is quite innovative as far as the US is concerned. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976310559] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>CobraGT posted... </cite><quote>A petition and demanding expulsion seems like rote thinking where innovation is needed.</quote>Petitions that work is quite innovative as far as the US is concerned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 09/26/23 3:32:42 AM #171:	CobraGT posted... I see that the need for school to be a safe place . Expelling them does not bother me. I am deeply disturbed that these girls feel "they must be punished and made an example of and there is no other option". A petition and demanding expulsion seems like rote thinking where innovation is needed. Note that the petition did not come from any of the victims. It's an uninvolved classmate outraged on their behalf. X8Azazel8X posted... Hell no they shouldn't be expelled. Its the fault of the school as much as the students for not knowing that was wrong. Are there any guidlines spelled out about this in the school rules of conduct? if not then that should be added. Cell phones should be banned. Anyone caught with one should be suspended on the spot. The kids should all made to do community service along with what ever punishment they have available. Suspension I guess is okay but I think should be held in reserve for any further offense against the preventative measures made. Don't see how this would help, as apparently none of the pictures were taken on school grounds. How does banning phones at school prevent a girl's butt being photographed (to pick one possible scenario) while in line at Starbucks? --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:976310607] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>CobraGT posted... </cite><quote>I see that the need for school to be a safe place . Expelling them does not bother me.I am deeply disturbed that these girls feel "they must be punished and made an example of and there is no other option".A petition and demanding expulsion seems like rote thinking where innovation is needed.</quote>Note that the petition did not come from any of the victims. It's an uninvolved classmate outraged on their behalf.X8Azazel8X posted... </cite><quote>Hell no they shouldn't be expelled. Its the fault of the school as much as the students for not knowing that was wrong. Are there any guidlines spelled out about this in the school rules of conduct? if not then that should be added.Cell phones should be banned. Anyone caught with one should be suspended on the spot. The kids should all made to do community service along with what ever punishment they have available. Suspension I guess is okay but I think should be held in reserve for any further offense against the preventative measures made.</quote>Don't see how this would help, as apparently none of the pictures were taken on school grounds. How does banning phones at school prevent a girl's butt being photographed (to pick one possible scenario) while in line at Starbucks? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 09/26/23 3:34:09 AM #172:	Put age limits on phones, problem solved. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976310615] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Put age limits on phones, problem solved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HANGtheDJ_86 09/26/23 5:06:49 AM #173:	Not good for the dudes either being peer pressured onto a judgement counsel None of this sounds healthy --- I feel well put <cite>HANGtheDJ_86 posted [p:976311185] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Not good for the dudes either being peer pressured onto a judgement counselNone of this sounds healthy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 09/26/23 7:36:39 AM #174:	AceMos posted... to all the ppl saying how this could effect the poor boys WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS you know these girls are going to get bullied over this you know right wing news media is going to slander them for daring to speak out imagine how hard it will be for them to even get a simple part time job where ppl will harass them at work which could lead to them getting fired for causing problems when they did nothing oh does this sound to fantastical for ya well you sure dont have a problem thinking of the ways the boys futures could be effected Obviously they should be supported and resources should be made available to help them out. I just don't see how punishing these boys worse will fix anything. It's part of the issue we have in this country generally. Too much focus on retribution and not enough about actually fixing the harm. Also you are stretching about the part time job thing. Can you even show that this had any effect on anyone outside the school itself? And it's not the boys fault for the media slandering the girls. Keep focused on the issue at hand. Help over hurt. I'd rather see them do like 100 hours of community service. Ruin their weekends for the next several months and force them to help others. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:976312243] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>to all the ppl saying how this could effect the poor boysWHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMSyou know these girls are going to get bullied over this you know right wing news media is going to slander them for daring to speak outimagine how hard it will be for them to even get a simple part time jobwhere ppl will harass them at work which could lead to them getting fired for causing problems when they did nothingoh does this sound to fantastical for ya well you sure dont have a problem thinking of the ways the boys futures could be effected</quote>Obviously they should be supported and resources should be made available to help them out. I just don't see how punishing these boys worse will fix anything. It's part of the issue we have in this country generally. Too much focus on retribution and not enough about actually fixing the harm. Also you are stretching about the part time job thing. Can you even show that this had any effect on anyone outside the school itself? And it's not the boys fault for the media slandering the girls. Keep focused on the issue at hand. Help over hurt. I'd rather see them do like 100 hours of community service. Ruin their weekends for the next several months and force them to help others. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 09/26/23 9:22:41 AM #175:	AceMos posted... to all the ppl saying how this could effect the poor boys WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS CE says: fuck them victims. Which makes me curious; if expulsion is too harsh of a punishment, is getting fired also too harsh of a punishment if you were caught sharing and rating pictures of female coworkers off the clock? --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976313385] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>to all the ppl saying how this could effect the poor boysWHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS</quote>CE says: fuck them victims.Which makes me curious; if expulsion is too harsh of a punishment, is getting fired also too harsh of a punishment if you were caught sharing and rating pictures of female coworkers off the clock? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 09/26/23 9:57:55 AM #176:	Goldenguy posted... I think some sort of suspensions would be a good start. Back in the 80s and 90s, dudes used to be at festivals and shit sitting and ratting the girls that went by, on an out of 10 score. --- You're never ever fully dressed without a smile! <cite>Cocytus posted [p:976313861] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Goldenguy posted... </cite><quote>I think some sort of suspensions would be a good start.</quote>Back in the 80s and 90s, dudes used to be at festivals and shit sitting and ratting the girls that went by, on an out of 10 score. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimberly 09/26/23 10:20:52 AM #177:	It's natural for people to talk about the appearances of their fellow students. This behavior isn't inherently a problem. It becomes a problem when other, more harmful patterns of behavior are the norm - taking photos without consent, harvesting social media pictures to turn into literal objects they can pass around, and other toxic expressions likely to cultivate dangerous environments for more than just the direct victims of that behavior. Schools are heavily incentivized to intervene in these situations. The problem is that most remediation tools available to schools - detention, suspension - doesn't really do jack shit for these situations. Even if the boys responsible were perfect pictures of contrite rehabilitation, it doesn't stop the stigma that will follow these 8th and 9th graders will face for the rest of their time in schooling. If the concern is that expulsion will prevent the boy's opportunity to rehabilitate and reintegrate, then I would imagine people should be pushing for tools which properly afford that opportunity to the students while also respecting the victim's needs for being protected from the perpetrators. You can't adequately achieve this just by shuffling some schedules around, sticking them in ISS for a month or two, and hoping for the best. There doesn't have to be a perfect solution here, but there should at least be a solution that isn't woefully inadequate at achieving the things we agree to be important. (Protect the victims, ensure the kids can rehabilitate, and above all preserve the right to everyone's education in a safe environment) --- I'll be your guide when you wanna get lost I'll be the sword at your side at all cost <cite>Kimberly posted [p:976314174] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>It's natural for people to talk about the appearances of their fellow students. This behavior isn't inherently a problem. It becomes a problem when other, more harmful patterns of behavior are the norm - taking photos without consent, harvesting social media pictures to turn into literal objects they can pass around, and other toxic expressions likely to cultivate dangerous environments for more than just the direct victims of that behavior. Schools are heavily incentivized to intervene in these situations. The problem is that most remediation tools available to schools - detention, suspension - doesn't really do jack shit for these situations. Even if the boys responsible were perfect pictures of contrite rehabilitation, it doesn't stop the stigma that will follow these 8th and 9th graders will face for the rest of their time in schooling. If the concern is that expulsion will prevent the boy's opportunity to rehabilitate and reintegrate, then I would imagine people should be pushing for tools which properly afford that opportunity to the students while also respecting the victim's needs for being protected from the perpetrators. You can't adequately achieve this just by shuffling some schedules around, sticking them in ISS for a month or two, and hoping for the best. There doesn't have to be a perfect solution here, but there should at least be a solution that isn't woefully inadequate at achieving the things we agree to be important. (Protect the victims, ensure the kids can rehabilitate, and above all preserve the right to everyone's education in a safe environment) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 09/26/23 10:35:58 AM #179:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Because of "but think of his future/boys will be boys/maybe she shouldn't have worn that/etc." reasoning. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:976314466] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Because of "but think of his future/boys will be boys/maybe she shouldn't have worn that/etc." reasoning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FuriousFox 09/26/23 10:45:53 AM #180:	I wonder if some of the disagreement in these threads is due to some people being from cities with multiple high schools, while others are from places that only have one high school. Expulsion was usually reserved for repeat serious offenders in my old high school, likely because it was the only high school in town. If you got expelled, you couldn't just go to another school, you were basically forced to drop out. --- What the hell, when did GameFAQs clear my signature and quote? <cite>FuriousFox posted [p:976314669] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if some of the disagreement in these threads is due to some people being from cities with multiple high schools, while others are from places that only have one high school. Expulsion was usually reserved for repeat serious offenders in my old high school, likely because it was the only high school in town. If you got expelled, you couldn't just go to another school, you were basically forced to drop out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimberly 09/26/23 10:49:24 AM #181:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That's ultimately what I'm driving at, yes. Though in absolute fairness, I don't think that charter schools or online classes are a good solution given the massive amount of problems with how they're run. But to dive into that is really getting into the weeds, when the core question at hand is first protecting the victims and second affording the kids to reintegrate and rehabilitate. In that order. --- I'll be your guide when you wanna get lost I'll be the sword at your side at all cost <cite>Kimberly posted [p:976314739] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> That's ultimately what I'm driving at, yes. Though in absolute fairness, I don't think that charter schools or online classes are a good solution given the massive amount of problems with how they're run. But to dive into that is really getting into the weeds, when the core question at hand is first protecting the victims and second affording the kids to reintegrate and rehabilitate. In that order. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/26/23 11:10:31 AM #182:	FuriousFox posted... I wonder if some of the disagreement in these threads is due to some people being from cities with multiple high schools, while others are from places that only have one high school. Expulsion was usually reserved for repeat serious offenders in my old high school, likely because it was the only high school in town. If you got expelled, you couldn't just go to another school, you were basically forced to drop out. On top of that, in some districts, expulsions are district wide by law, so you cant go to another school, you have to go to a school in another district entirely. Whether thats the case or not, if the expelled student has siblings thats an extra burden on the parents, as are they going to move the other kids too, or have to take their kids to two different schools, etc. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976315149] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>FuriousFox posted... </cite><quote>I wonder if some of the disagreement in these threads is due to some people being from cities with multiple high schools, while others are from places that only have one high school. Expulsion was usually reserved for repeat serious offenders in my old high school, likely because it was the only high school in town. If you got expelled, you couldn't just go to another school, you were basically forced to drop out.</quote>On top of that, in some districts, expulsions are district wide by law, so you cant go to another school, you have to go to a school in another district entirely.Whether thats the case or not, if the expelled student has siblings thats an extra burden on the parents, as are they going to move the other kids too, or have to take their kids to two different schools, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 09/26/23 11:18:20 AM #183:	Expulsion then placement in a different school, perhaps a school specifically for behaviorally problematic students. <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976315309] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Expulsion then placement in a different school, perhaps a school specifically for behaviorally problematic students.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 09/26/23 11:36:13 AM #186:	Gwynevere posted... CE says: fuck them victims. Which makes me curious; if expulsion is too harsh of a punishment, is getting fired also too harsh of a punishment if you were caught sharing and rating pictures of female coworkers off the clock? Are we holding 9th and 10th graders to the same standards as adults? Should we send kids to prison then? [LFAQs-redacted-quote] You can chop off the hand(s) of a thief and be sure they won't steal again. Is that an appropriate consequence? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:976315667] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>CE says: fuck them victims.Which makes me curious; if expulsion is too harsh of a punishment, is getting fired also too harsh of a punishment if you were caught sharing and rating pictures of female coworkers off the clock?</quote>Are we holding 9th and 10th graders to the same standards as adults? Should we send kids to prison then?<cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> You can chop off the hand(s) of a thief and be sure they won't steal again. Is that an appropriate consequence? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forest_Temple 09/26/23 11:37:13 AM #187:	Eh. They're just kids. --- Gamefaqs internal affairs chief and commander. Keeping the mods in line and fighting corruption. <cite>Forest_Temple posted [p:976315693] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Eh. They're just kids. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimberly 09/26/23 11:39:08 AM #188:	ZMythos posted... Should we send kids to prison then? With all due respect, what exactly to you fix your framework on if you equate losing your job to being sent to prison...? All offenders should be in most cases afforded the opportunity to offer restitution for their crimes and reintegrate into society. Your response would only make sense if they were somehow barred from ever seeking employment ever again, or that expulsion will mean these kids are denied their legal right to an education. This is a bizarre way to engage with the comparison. --- I'll be your guide when you wanna get lost I'll be the sword at your side at all cost <cite>Kimberly posted [p:976315721] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>Should we send kids to prison then?</quote>With all due respect, what exactly to you fix your framework on if you equate losing your job to being sent to prison...? All offenders should be in most cases afforded the opportunity to offer restitution for their crimes and reintegrate into society. Your response would only make sense if they were somehow barred from ever seeking employment ever again, or that expulsion will mean these kids are denied their legal right to an education. This is a bizarre way to engage with the comparison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/26/23 11:39:37 AM #189:	ZMythos posted... Are we holding 9th and 10th graders to the same standards as adults? Should we send kids to prison then? Clearly not. People are suggesting expulsion, not incarceration. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976315728] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>Are we holding 9th and 10th graders to the same standards as adults? Should we send kids to prison then?</quote>Clearly not. People are suggesting expulsion, not incarceration. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 09/26/23 11:46:32 AM #191:	Kimberly posted... With all due respect, what exactly to you fix your framework on if you equate losing your job to being sent to prison...? All offenders should be in most cases afforded the opportunity to offer restitution for their crimes and reintegrate into society. Your response would only make sense if they were somehow barred from ever seeking employment ever again, or that expulsion will mean these kids are denied their legal right to an education. This is a bizarre way to engage with the comparison. I didn't mean to directly compare expulsion to prison. I was comparing expulsion to being fired, not being hyperbolic. We don't send kids to prisons for any reason. My point was that there are different standards of consequences for adults versus adolescents. I made an earlier point that expulsion has effects outside of just relocating a student to a new school, and these effects can be a huge financial and logistical burden for families and should be considered when deciding a punishment. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:976315866] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Kimberly posted... </cite><quote>With all due respect, what exactly to you fix your framework on if you equate losing your job to being sent to prison...? All offenders should be in most cases afforded the opportunity to offer restitution for their crimes and reintegrate into society. Your response would only make sense if they were somehow barred from ever seeking employment ever again, or that expulsion will mean these kids are denied their legal right to an education. This is a bizarre way to engage with the comparison.</quote>I didn't mean to directly compare expulsion to prison. I was comparing expulsion to being fired, not being hyperbolic. We don't send kids to prisons for any reason. My point was that there are different standards of consequences for adults versus adolescents. I made an earlier point that expulsion has effects outside of just relocating a student to a new school, and these effects can be a huge financial and logistical burden for families and should be considered when deciding a punishment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 09/26/23 11:48:51 AM #192:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] And I don't understand the reasoning that the victims will be unsafe if these boys are still around. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:976315913] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> And I don't understand the reasoning that the victims will be unsafe if these boys are still around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 09/26/23 11:49:10 AM #193:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] My argument is not in bad faith, bro. I'm a teacher. I've witnessed these situations firsthand, and we don't expel kids over pictures. Suspensions, police involvement, and removal from shared classrooms are all on the table, but expulsion is not an appropriate consequence. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:976315919] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> My argument is not in bad faith, bro. I'm a teacher. I've witnessed these situations firsthand, and we don't expel kids over pictures. Suspensions, police involvement, and removal from shared classrooms are all on the table, but expulsion is not an appropriate consequence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoBlazer 09/26/23 11:50:03 AM #194:	I don't think suspending the boys and supporting the girls equates to "ignoring the victims." Other failsafes can also be implemented, like ensuring the perpetrators and victims aren't in the same classes (since they are apparently in different grades, this shouldn't be difficult to accomplish). Expulsion isn't the only way to support the girls here. --- Burnin, Blazin <cite>YoBlazer posted [p:976315935] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>I don't think suspending the boys and supporting the girls equates to "ignoring the victims." Other failsafes can also be implemented, like ensuring the perpetrators and victims aren't in the same classes (since they are apparently in different grades, this shouldn't be difficult to accomplish). Expulsion isn't the only way to support the girls here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 09/26/23 11:57:48 AM #195:	ZMythos posted... Are we holding 9th and 10th graders to the same standards as adults? Should we send kids to prison then? If I was suggesting they be held to the same standards as adults, then I would have suggested they face charges. Because adults doing this should definitely face legal consequences. You can just stop the ridiculous line comparing prisons to expulsion right here though. It hasn't been a good or well thought out argument earlier in the topic, and it's not any better when you choose to do it --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976316075] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>Are we holding 9th and 10th graders to the same standards as adults? Should we send kids to prison then?</quote>If I was suggesting they be held to the same standards as adults, then I would have suggested they face charges. Because adults doing this should definitely face legal consequences. You can just stop the ridiculous line comparing prisons to expulsion right here though. It hasn't been a good or well thought out argument earlier in the topic, and it's not any better when you choose to do it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 09/26/23 12:00:57 PM #196:	Gwynevere posted... If I was suggesting they be held to the same standards as adults, then I would have suggested they face charges. Because adults doing this should definitely face legal consequences. You can just stop the ridiculous line comparing prisons to expulsion right here though. It hasn't been a good or well thought out argument earlier in the topic, and it's not any better when you choose to do it Like I said in my other reply it wasn't my intent to use hyperbole and directly compare expulsion to prison. I'll admit to that and even agree that such a comparison is wrong. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:976316131] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>If I was suggesting they be held to the same standards as adults, then I would have suggested they face charges. Because adults doing this should definitely face legal consequences. You can just stop the ridiculous line comparing prisons to expulsion right here though. It hasn't been a good or well thought out argument earlier in the topic, and it's not any better when you choose to do it</quote>Like I said in my other reply it wasn't my intent to use hyperbole and directly compare expulsion to prison. I'll admit to that and even agree that such a comparison is wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 09/26/23 12:15:10 PM #199:	Expulsion might not be unwarranted depending on the specific details, but I wouldn't instantly jump to it. It really depends on history of the students, if it was equal blame for all or if there were specific people in charge, and the exact nature of the pictures. As long as it's within the upper bounds of extremely fucking creepy, sounds more like a massive reeducation, long term punishment kind of thing. <cite>Nemu posted [p:976316411] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote>Expulsion might not be unwarranted depending on the specific details, but I wouldn't instantly jump to it. It really depends on history of the students, if it was equal blame for all or if there were specific people in charge, and the exact nature of the pictures. As long as it's within the upper bounds of extremely fucking creepy, sounds more like a massive reeducation, long term punishment kind of thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 09/26/23 12:38:22 PM #200:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] In-school suspension or out-of-school suspension for anywhere from a week to a month. Police notified, any further incidence leads to expulsion hearing and sexual harassment charges filed. Police talk to students about the severity of their actions. Students involved are removed from sports/extracurriculars and classes relocated where applicable. Students involved are not allowed to have phones on campus, for the rest of the year or even the rest of High School. Parents may be required to moderate/delete student social media accounts as part of deal to stay with school. Retaliation towards victims either at school or on social media will be seen as further harassment and leads to expulsion hearings. These are all examples of actions my district have taken in similar situations. Expulsion is usually the ultimatum and not the first response (unless a student is severely harmed or threatened, which in this case I do not personally think they are since no nudity was involved). These actions from the school include harsh consequences for the perpetrators and create a safer environment for the victims while avoiding negative externalities that can come with expulsion. But expulsion is still on the table if anything else happens (continuation or retaliation). --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:976316825] in Petition d... [t:80576923]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> In-school suspension or out-of-school suspension for anywhere from a week to a month. Police notified, any further incidence leads to expulsion hearing and sexual harassment charges filed. Police talk to students about the severity of their actions. Students involved are removed from sports/extracurriculars and classes relocated where applicable. Students involved are not allowed to have phones on campus, for the rest of the year or even the rest of High School. Parents may be required to moderate/delete student social media accounts as part of deal to stay with school. Retaliation towards victims either at school or on social media will be seen as further harassment and leads to expulsion hearings. These are all examples of actions my district have taken in similar situations. Expulsion is usually the ultimatum and not the first response (unless a student is severely harmed or threatened, which in this case I do not personally think they are since no nudity was involved). These actions from the school include harsh consequences for the perpetrators and create a safer environment for the victims while avoiding negative externalities that can come with expulsion. But expulsion is still on the table if anything else happens (continuation or retaliation). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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