Current Events > Existence of aliens does not actually make sense since abiogenesis is NOT proven

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Mackorov 09/24/23 6:28:19 AM #1:	I was never a believer in alien life out there and it's so incredibly stupid the scientific community and the general public alike are so harped on believing this possibility when the ENTIRE possibility actually rests solely on given presumption of abiogenesis in the first place. For those that dont know, abiogenesis is basically the totally unproven, untested and unverified hypothesis that life can be formed from inorganic matter. This is the main basis scientists rest their case on the beginning of life because if it's true, that means life could be formed in the same way in other planets. Well, except for one fact they are conveniently choosing to ignore: Abiogensis CANNOT be proven at all. This means there's the very much equal possibility that life does NOT arise from inorganic matter. So then, you may ask... wouldn't that mean the only other alternative is intelligent design, that some 'creator' created living beings? Yes, but why not?? Given both cases are equally unproven, why does the scientific community shun the intelligent design possibility and choose to succumb to their bias on abiogenesis only? <cite>Mackorov posted [p:976272387] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>I was never a believer in alien life out there and it's so incredibly stupid the scientific community and the general public alike are so harped on believing this possibility when the ENTIRE possibility actually rests solely on given presumption of abiogenesis in the first place.For those that dont know, abiogenesis is basically the totally unproven, untested and unverified hypothesis that life can be formed from inorganic matter. This is the main basis scientists rest their case on the beginning of life because if it's true, that means life could be formed in the same way in other planets. Well, except for one fact they are conveniently choosing to ignore:Abiogensis CANNOT be proven at all.This means there's the very much equal possibility that life does NOT arise from inorganic matter. So then, you may ask... wouldn't that mean the only other alternative is intelligent design, that some 'creator' created living beings? Yes, but why not?? Given both cases are equally unproven, why does the scientific community shun the intelligent design possibility and choose to succumb to their bias on abiogenesis only? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 09/24/23 6:29:43 AM #2:	And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe. Is it that hard to accept? <cite>Mackorov posted [p:976272399] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe.Is it that hard to accept? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 09/24/23 6:30:23 AM #3:	I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:976272402] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 09/24/23 6:31:10 AM #4:	pegusus123456 posted... I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss. still waiting for you to give a coherent argument back. Oh wait, yeah you cant <cite>Mackorov posted [p:976272410] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss.</quote>still waiting for you to give a coherent argument back. Oh wait, yeah you cant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 09/24/23 6:31:31 AM #5:	Mackorov posted... still waiting for you to give a coherent argument back. Oh wait, yeah you cant Take a shower --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:976272412] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>still waiting for you to give a coherent argument back. Oh wait, yeah you cant</quote>Take a shower </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rai_Jin 09/24/23 6:41:36 AM #7:	God is everywhere. <cite>Rai_Jin posted [p:976272480] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>God is everywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FF_Redux 09/24/23 6:42:29 AM #8:	Why cant other galaxies have their own gods create life? --- http://i.imgur.com/hRsG4.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/zZQ38Hb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Z4cir.gif http://i.imgur.com/qEyGS.gif https://imgur.com/37KDT <cite>FF_Redux posted [p:976272489] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Why cant other galaxies have their own gods create life? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 09/24/23 6:47:54 AM #9:	CANNOT Citation needed --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976272523] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote><quote>CANNOT</quote>Citation needed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ooooooranges 09/24/23 6:49:39 AM #10:	Then where did the creator come from? --- http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/2011/10/10/pujols_85507.jpg <cite>Ooooooranges posted [p:976272536] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Then where did the creator come from? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mew 09/24/23 6:53:38 AM #11:	Rai_Jin posted... God is everywhere. --- https://gfycat.com/tensescarygermanshepherd <cite>Mew posted [p:976272567] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Rai_Jin posted... </cite><quote>God is everywhere.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/24/23 6:56:49 AM #12:	Mackorov posted... And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe. Is it that hard to accept? Life on earth could really be it. Or it may not The universe is so vastly huge and so vastly old that any incidences of life are statistically never going to know another existed. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976272584] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe.Is it that hard to accept?</quote>Life on earth could really be it. Or it may notThe universe is so vastly huge and so vastly old that any incidences of life are statistically never going to know another existed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 09/24/23 6:58:05 AM #13:	Just because it's "not proven" doesn't mean the theory is false. It might be. Maybe there is some extra dimensional shenanigans going on. Either way, even if it isn't true, that doesn't preclude aliens from existing. They could have come about the same way humans did.. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:976272596] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Just because it's "not proven" doesn't mean the theory is false. It might be. Maybe there is some extra dimensional shenanigans going on. Either way, even if it isn't true, that doesn't preclude aliens from existing. They could have come about the same way humans did.. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/24/23 6:59:08 AM #14:	Mackorov posted... And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe. Is it that hard to accept? its a statistical improbability is it hard for you to accept that the chance of the sun going supernova tomorrow is quite low as well? <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976272601] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe.Is it that hard to accept?</quote>its a statistical improbability is it hard for you to accept that the chance of the sun going supernova tomorrow is quite low as well? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/24/23 6:59:33 AM #15:	Just because you have two different hypotheses, neither of which has been proven, it does not mean that they are both equally likely. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976272606] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Just because you have two different hypotheses, neither of which has been proven, it does not mean that they are both equally likely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nukazie 09/24/23 7:01:21 AM #16:	Mackorov posted... And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe. Is it that hard to accept? yeah, the other smaller creatures we consume aint living beings --- We suffer from the delusion that the entire universe is held in order by the categories of human thought. <cite>Nukazie posted [p:976272615] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>And this means humans could really be the only living beings in the entire universe.Is it that hard to accept?</quote>yeah, the other smaller creatures we consume aint living beings </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/24/23 7:01:41 AM #17:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/1/AAdkcxAAE3ll.jpg --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976272617] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/1/AAdkcxAAE3ll.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 09/24/23 7:03:55 AM #18:	Didn't they already say they found fossils or whatever of microscopic organisms on Mars. So not intelligent life but still life that surely over time coulda evolved into bigger things. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976272632] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Didn't they already say they found fossils or whatever of microscopic organisms on Mars. So not intelligent life but still life that surely over time coulda evolved into bigger things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/24/23 7:04:04 AM #19:	Life could exist anywhere three or four amino acids and ribonucleic acid (a phosphate sugar) just happen, and that's basically anywhere. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976272633] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Life could exist anywhere three or four amino acids and ribonucleic acid (a phosphate sugar) just happen, and that's basically anywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 09/24/23 7:05:14 AM #20:	K --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:976272640] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>K </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 09/24/23 7:10:00 AM #21:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:976272672] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarcyWarcy 09/24/23 7:17:11 AM #22:	pegusus123456 posted... I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss. lmao --- Looks like this gamer's paradise has turned into a gamer's hell............................................... <cite>MarcyWarcy posted [p:976272726] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss.</quote>lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
npiguitar 09/24/23 7:18:02 AM #23:	Mackorov posted... wouldn't that mean the only other alternative is intelligent design, that some 'creator' created living beings? Yes, but why not?? Given both cases are equally unproven, why does the scientific community shun the intelligent design possibility and choose to succumb to their bias on abiogenesis only? Are they equally unproven? Yes. Are they equally likely? No. If we were to assume for a moment that there is some intelligent creator of life out there, we're basically talking about a deity at this point. Something supernatural, at least. Is abiogenesis proven? No. Not yet, at least. But matter and energy do exist. We can observe them. We know they're real. Where is a deity? Something supernatural? We've never found good evidence to support the supernatural. Saying that intelligent design is a possibility requires you to make another entire illogical leap into accepting the existence of the supernatural and then assuming it acted a certain way. Abiogenesis only requires you to think that things we know to exist (matter and energy) may act in certain ways we haven't yet observed. Also, you've set up a false dichotomy. It's not abiogenesis vs intelligent design. It's abiogenesis vs intelligent design vs any number of other possibilities we may not have even thought of yet. Imagine, 600 years ago, two people discussing sickness. A: Sickness is a result of ghosts in your blood. B: Here's why that's dumb. Having refuted your "ghosts in the blood idea," that leaves us with the only other possibility: My god makes people sick when they make him mad. What other option is there? Of course, neither one of these guys would conceive of the idea of germs. --- SMM2 Maker ID: BKN-DYW-VWG <cite>npiguitar posted [p:976272730] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>wouldn't that mean the only other alternative is intelligent design, that some 'creator' created living beings? Yes, but why not?? Given both cases are equally unproven, why does the scientific community shun the intelligent design possibility and choose to succumb to their bias on abiogenesis only?</quote>Are they equally unproven? Yes. Are they equally likely? No. If we were to assume for a moment that there is some intelligent creator of life out there, we're basically talking about a deity at this point. Something supernatural, at least. Is abiogenesis proven? No. Not yet, at least. But matter and energy do exist. We can observe them. We know they're real. Where is a deity? Something supernatural? We've never found good evidence to support the supernatural. Saying that intelligent design is a possibility requires you to make another entire illogical leap into accepting the existence of the supernatural and then assuming it acted a certain way. Abiogenesis only requires you to think that things we know to exist (matter and energy) may act in certain ways we haven't yet observed. Also, you've set up a false dichotomy. It's not abiogenesis vs intelligent design. It's abiogenesis vs intelligent design vs any number of other possibilities we may not have even thought of yet. Imagine, 600 years ago, two people discussing sickness. A: Sickness is a result of ghosts in your blood.B: Here's why that's dumb. Having refuted your "ghosts in the blood idea," that leaves us with the only other possibility: My god makes people sick when they make him mad. What other option is there? Of course, neither one of these guys would conceive of the idea of germs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ratchetrockon 09/24/23 7:20:46 AM #24:	Maybe there is life on europa --- I'm a Taurus. Currently playing: Baldurs Gate 3, Carol Reed Mysteries series, DMC 3:SE (Modded), & Spyro 3.5: Return to the Forgotten Realms He/Him <cite>Ratchetrockon posted [p:976272748] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Maybe there is life on europa </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/24/23 7:29:58 AM #25:	Ratchetrockon posted... Maybe there is life on europa That's a "probably" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976272806] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Ratchetrockon posted... </cite><quote>Maybe there is life on europa </quote>That's a "probably"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 09/24/23 7:33:25 AM #26:	Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976272822] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 09/24/23 7:39:42 AM #28:	DnDer posted... Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for. Used to get it on 261 from that TaskmasterX guy. He used very similar arguments, come to think of it. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976272870] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for.</quote>Used to get it on 261 from that TaskmasterX guy.He used very similar arguments, come to think of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 09/24/23 7:44:32 AM #29:	ai123 posted... Used to get it on 261 from that TaskmasterX guy. He used very similar arguments, come to think of it. Been a while since I've heard that name. Wow. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976272910] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>Used to get it on 261 from that TaskmasterX guy.He used very similar arguments, come to think of it.</quote>Been a while since I've heard that name. Wow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LazyLounge 09/24/23 7:46:10 AM #30:	pegusus123456 posted... I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss. lol --- The only user brave enough to turn into a skeleton while being electrocuted. <cite>LazyLounge posted [p:976272926] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss.</quote>lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giacomo_Hawkins 09/24/23 7:46:32 AM #31:	DnDer posted... Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for. Did Fandom delete that board too? --- Will the little voice in the back of my mind screaming "This is a bad idea" please yield the floor. --Mikey Chivalry be hanged, and so will you. <cite>Giacomo_Hawkins posted [p:976272928] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for.</quote>Did Fandom delete that board too? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 09/24/23 7:53:04 AM #33:	Kloe_Rinz posted... its a statistical improbability is it hard for you to accept that the chance of the sun going supernova tomorrow is quite low as well? Go read up the Fermi Paradox. Scientists realized they were contradicting themselves because given the vast scale and age of the universe, Earth likewise would've encountered intelligent life by now <cite>Mackorov posted [p:976272972] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>its a statistical improbability is it hard for you to accept that the chance of the sun going supernova tomorrow is quite low as well?</quote>Go read up the Fermi Paradox.Scientists realized they were contradicting themselves because given the vast scale and age of the universe, Earth likewise would've encountered intelligent life by now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 09/24/23 7:54:17 AM #34:	DnDer posted... Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for. Having to associate intelligent design with religion is exactly the kind of ignorance i'd expect. And exactly why the scientific community fail to see their own bias. You can believe in a 'creator' without believing in any religion. Never thought of that did you??? <cite>Mackorov posted [p:976272987] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Didn't expect to find creationist nonsense on this board. I thought that's what the religion board was for.</quote>Having to associate intelligent design with religion is exactly the kind of ignorance i'd expect. And exactly why the scientific community fail to see their own bias.You can believe in a 'creator' without believing in any religion. Never thought of that did you???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 09/24/23 7:57:03 AM #35:	npiguitar posted... Are they equally unproven? Yes. Are they equally likely? No. If we were to assume for a moment that there is some intelligent creator of life out there, we're basically talking about a deity at this point. Something supernatural, at least. Is abiogenesis proven? No. Not yet, at least. But matter and energy do exist. We can observe them. We know they're real. Where is a deity? Something supernatural? We've never found good evidence to support the supernatural. Saying that intelligent design is a possibility requires you to make another entire illogical leap into accepting the existence of the supernatural and then assuming it acted a certain way. Abiogenesis only requires you to think that things we know to exist (matter and energy) may act in certain ways we haven't yet observed. The level of evidence for abiogenesis is about as absurd as the level of evidence for intelligent design. None is better than the other. We need look no further of evidence for intelligent design than ourselves. Go see how DNA is coded in and the core mechanism of genetics. Our cells are literally cities perfectly designed to govern, regulate and replicate themselves. Such a well-engineered thing is likely no damn result of sheer inorganic randomness. Also, you've set up a false dichotomy. It's not abiogenesis vs intelligent design. It's abiogenesis vs intelligent design vs any number of other possibilities we may not have even thought of yet. Imagine, 600 years ago, two people discussing sickness. Except as I said, any other possibility has no basis to them at all to begin with, unlike how abiogensis and intelligent design do. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:976273012] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>npiguitar posted... </cite><quote>Are they equally unproven? Yes. Are they equally likely? No. If we were to assume for a moment that there is some intelligent creator of life out there, we're basically talking about a deity at this point. Something supernatural, at least. Is abiogenesis proven? No. Not yet, at least. But matter and energy do exist. We can observe them. We know they're real. Where is a deity? Something supernatural? We've never found good evidence to support the supernatural. Saying that intelligent design is a possibility requires you to make another entire illogical leap into accepting the existence of the supernatural and then assuming it acted a certain way. Abiogenesis only requires you to think that things we know to exist (matter and energy) may act in certain ways we haven't yet observed. </quote>The level of evidence for abiogenesis is about as absurd as the level of evidence for intelligent design. None is better than the other. We need look no further of evidence for intelligent design than ourselves. Go see how DNA is coded in and the core mechanism of genetics. Our cells are literally cities perfectly designed to govern, regulate and replicate themselves.Such a well-engineered thing is likely no damn result of sheer inorganic randomness. <quote>Also, you've set up a false dichotomy. It's not abiogenesis vs intelligent design. It's abiogenesis vs intelligent design vs any number of other possibilities we may not have even thought of yet. Imagine, 600 years ago, two people discussing sickness. </quote>Except as I said, any other possibility has no basis to them at all to begin with, unlike how abiogensis and intelligent design do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mackorov 09/24/23 8:02:03 AM #37:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] If they did, then where's these "others" then? Wouldn't the 'creator' have left life on our nearest planets too like Mars, Saturn etc.? NASA has discovered and scanned thousands of planets as of today and not a single.one.of.them... has ever been found to have life. Not even tiny miniscule molecular life. Nope. Absolutely nothing. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:976273055] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> If they did, then where's these "others" then? Wouldn't the 'creator' have left life on our nearest planets too like Mars, Saturn etc.?NASA has discovered and scanned thousands of planets as of today and not a single.one.of.them... has ever been found to have life. Not even tiny miniscule molecular life.Nope. Absolutely nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/24/23 8:03:30 AM #38:	Mackorov posted... Go read up the Fermi Paradox. Scientists realized they were contradicting themselves because given the vast scale and age of the universe, Earth likewise would've encountered intelligent life by now Life capable of recognising other intelligent life has only existed on Earth for a relatively miniscule amount of time. There are galaxies billions of light years away. It is not at all 'likely' that people on Earth would have 'encountered' any intelligent life that may have existed there. The reverse is also true. A long dead civilization ten billion light years from Earth would not have 'encountered' humans. Does that mean humans don't exist? --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976273065] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>Go read up the Fermi Paradox.Scientists realized they were contradicting themselves because given the vast scale and age of the universe, Earth likewise would've encountered intelligent life by now</quote>Life capable of recognising other intelligent life has only existed on Earth for a relatively miniscule amount of time.There are galaxies billions of light years away. It is not at all 'likely' that people on Earth would have 'encountered' any intelligent life that may have existed there.The reverse is also true. A long dead civilization ten billion light years from Earth would not have 'encountered' humans. Does that mean humans don't exist? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 09/24/23 8:05:23 AM #39:	A) It's incorrect to say that abiogenesis cannot be proven. Don't conflate that fact that it hasn't been proven with permanent inprovability. B) Even if we're too dumb to prove it, or the conditions for life are too narrow and specific to prove, thay doesn't remotely preclude life from forming elsewhere. Even if the mere formation of life is a one in a billion thing, that means there are likely dozens of circumstances of life in the Milky Way alone and untold trillions of circumstances in the universe. C) Abiogenesis is not evolution. Evolution, which is extremely well-documented and understood, is what happened after life formed in the first place. There's admittedly a gap in our knowledge one what existed that caused the catalyst from before life to life, but science is about unraveling our ignorances with further study. Even if the root cause of life is ultimately some out of left field thing that hasn't dawned on us, that'd still be abiogensis as the term is really nothing more than a blanket term for studying how life formed. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:976273077] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>A) It's incorrect to say that abiogenesis cannot be proven. Don't conflate that fact that it hasn't been proven with permanent inprovability.B) Even if we're too dumb to prove it, or the conditions for life are too narrow and specific to prove, thay doesn't remotely preclude life from forming elsewhere. Even if the mere formation of life is a one in a billion thing, that means there are likely dozens of circumstances of life in the Milky Way alone and untold trillions of circumstances in the universe. C) Abiogenesis is not evolution. Evolution, which is extremely well-documented and understood, is what happened after life formed in the first place. There's admittedly a gap in our knowledge one what existed that caused the catalyst from before life to life, but science is about unraveling our ignorances with further study. Even if the root cause of life is ultimately some out of left field thing that hasn't dawned on us, that'd still be abiogensis as the term is really nothing more than a blanket term for studying how life formed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 09/24/23 8:06:55 AM #41:	Mackorov posted... If they did, then where's these "others" then? Wouldn't the 'creator' have left life on our nearest planets too like Mars, Saturn etc.? NASA has discovered and scanned thousands of planets as of today and not a single.one.of.them... has ever been found to have life. Not even tiny miniscule molecular life. Nope. Absolutely nothing. Thousands of planets? Do you know how many planets there are in the observable universe? They haven't even really begun to look. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976273099] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>If they did, then where's these "others" then? Wouldn't the 'creator' have left life on our nearest planets too like Mars, Saturn etc.?NASA has discovered and scanned thousands of planets as of today and not a single.one.of.them... has ever been found to have life. Not even tiny miniscule molecular life.Nope. Absolutely nothing.</quote>Thousands of planets? Do you know how many planets there are in the observable universe? They haven't even really begun to look. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
indica 09/24/23 8:09:32 AM #42:	I'm not sure what scientists you're refering to but most of them are Christian and believe in God. Like Darwin and Einstein and Hawking for famous examples. Mendel who is credited with discovering genes was a monk. Also, abiogenisis and religion are not mutually exclusive. --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. <cite>indica posted [p:976273115] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure what scientists you're refering to but most of them are Christian and believe in God. Like Darwin and Einstein and Hawking for famous examples. Mendel who is credited with discovering genes was a monk. Also, abiogenisis and religion are not mutually exclusive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 09/24/23 8:09:46 AM #43:	Also, the fact that we've looked at thousands of planets and haven't discovered life is akin to looking at a single grove of trees from miles away with the naked eye, not seeing birds or bugs from that distance, and then proclaiming that not only does that grove not have any animal life but that therefore all forests don't have animal life, either. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:976273118] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Also, the fact that we've looked at thousands of planets and haven't discovered life is akin to looking at a single grove of trees from miles away with the naked eye, not seeing birds or bugs from that distance, and then proclaiming that not only does that grove not have any animal life but that therefore all forests don't have animal life, either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 09/24/23 8:11:40 AM #44:	Mackorov posted... You can believe in a 'creator' without believing in any religion. Never thought of that did you??? I've posted a lot in the past about America not being a Christian nation and the Founders being deists. The thought has crossed my mind more than a few times, thanks. But the rub is that the things you're saying are only said by a very small and very specific subset of Christian fundamentalists. Now it looks like you're scrambling for damage control after being called out about it. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976273130] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>You can believe in a 'creator' without believing in any religion. Never thought of that did you???</quote>I've posted a lot in the past about America not being a Christian nation and the Founders being deists. The thought has crossed my mind more than a few times, thanks. But the rub is that the things you're saying are only said by a very small and very specific subset of Christian fundamentalists. Now it looks like you're scrambling for damage control after being called out about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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npiguitar 09/24/23 8:15:25 AM #46:	Mackorov posted... The level of evidence for abiogenesis is about as absurd as the level of evidence for intelligent design. None is better than the other. Except I already demonstrated how intelligent design is far more absurd. Once again: Abiogenesis says "It's possible that these things we KNOW exist act in this way." Intelligent design says "This thing I made up, and have no evidence for, acted this way." Mackorov posted... We need look no further of evidence for intelligent design than ourselves. Go see how DNA is coded in and the core mechanism of genetics. Our cells are literally cities perfectly designed to govern, regulate and replicate themselves. Such a well-engineered thing is likely no damn result of sheer inorganic randomness. My two year old son is currently battling leukemia. That means his own blood producing cells have gone hayware and are making fucked up non-functional blood cells by the masses. If not for modern medical science, he would be dead right now, killed by his own cells. Some great "design." Except as I said, any other possibility has no basis to them at all to begin with, unlike how abiogensis and intelligent design do. Germs had "no basis" 600 years ago. Also, intelligent design has absolutely nothing to support it except scientific illiteracy and religious indoctrination. Abiogenesis has 1. The existence of matter and energy and 2. Some scientific support in the MillerUrey experiments. --- SMM2 Maker ID: BKN-DYW-VWG <cite>npiguitar posted [p:976273160] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>The level of evidence for abiogenesis is about as absurd as the level of evidence for intelligent design. None is better than the other.</quote>Except I already demonstrated how intelligent design is far more absurd. Once again: Abiogenesis says "It's possible that these things we KNOW exist act in this way." Intelligent design says "This thing I made up, and have no evidence for, acted this way."Mackorov posted... </cite><quote>We need look no further of evidence for intelligent design than ourselves. Go see how DNA is coded in and the core mechanism of genetics. Our cells are literally cities perfectly designed to govern, regulate and replicate themselves.Such a well-engineered thing is likely no damn result of sheer inorganic randomness. </quote>My two year old son is currently battling leukemia. That means his own blood producing cells have gone hayware and are making fucked up non-functional blood cells by the masses. If not for modern medical science, he would be dead right now, killed by his own cells. Some great "design."<quote>Except as I said, any other possibility has no basis to them at all to begin with, unlike how abiogensis and intelligent design do.</quote>Germs had "no basis" 600 years ago. Also, intelligent design has absolutely nothing to support it except scientific illiteracy and religious indoctrination. Abiogenesis has 1. The existence of matter and energy and 2. Some scientific support in the MillerUrey experiments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 09/24/23 8:17:33 AM #47:	indica posted... I'm not sure what scientists you're refering to but most of them are Christian and believe in God. Like Darwin and Einstein and Hawking for famous examples. Mendel who is credited with discovering genes was a monk. Also, abiogenisis and religion are not mutually exclusive. "Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn't. I'm an atheist." - Stephen Hawking --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:976273176] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>indica posted... </cite><quote>I'm not sure what scientists you're refering to but most of them are Christian and believe in God. Like Darwin and Einstein and Hawking for famous examples. Mendel who is credited with discovering genes was a monk. Also, abiogenisis and religion are not mutually exclusive.</quote>"Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn't. I'm an atheist." - Stephen Hawking </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FolkenRawr 09/24/23 8:17:57 AM #48:	pegusus123456 posted... I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss. I cackled making a sound I didn't know my body could produce --- Cookin like a chef, I'm a 5 Star Michelin <cite>FolkenRawr posted [p:976273179] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>I don't know how you've managed it through text, but you give off an intense vibe of smelling like cat piss.</quote>I cackled making a sound I didn't know my body could produce </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 09/24/23 8:20:53 AM #50:	It took a billion years for Life to appear on Earth but bc scientists haven't been able to recreate those conditions in the 70 or so years they've been seriously trying, it's impossible. Ok. Good thinking TC. --- Let's all please just get along. <cite>lilORANG posted [p:976273207] in Existence ... [t:80575703]...</cite> <quote>It took a billion years for Life to appear on Earth but bc scientists haven't been able to recreate those conditions in the 70 or so years they've been seriously trying, it's impossible. Ok. Good thinking TC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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