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Cocytus
09/20/23 12:27:22 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/20/tech/musk-neuralink-human-trials/index.html

You ready for your brain implant bros?

Elon Musks controversial biotechnology startup Neuralink opened up recruitment for its first human clinical trial Tuesday, according to a company blog.

After receiving approval from an independent review board, Neuralink is set to begin offering brain implants to paralysis patients as part of the PRIME Study, the company said. PRIME, short for Precise Robotically Implanted Brain-Computer Interface, is being carried out to evaluate both the safety and functionality of the implant.

Trial patients will have a chip surgically placed in the part of the brain that controls the intention to move. The chip, installed by a robot, will then record and send brain signals to an app, with the initial goal being to grant people the ability to control a computer cursor or keyboard using their thoughts alone, the company wrote.

Those with quadriplegia due to cervical spinal cord injury or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) may qualify for the six-year-long study 18 months of at-home and clinic visits followed by follow-up visits over five years.

Interested people can sign up in the patient registry on Neuralinks website.
Musk has been working on Neuralinks goal of using implants to connect the human brain to a computer for five years, but the company so far has only tested on animals.

The company also faced scrutiny after a monkey died in project testing in 2022 as part of efforts to get the animal to play Pong, one of the first video games.

In May, Neuralink tweeted that it had received FDA clearance for human clinical trials, with the approval acknowledged by the agency in a statement. The opening of human trials also comes over a month after the brain chip startup raised $280 million in a fundraising round led by Founders Fund, a San Francisco-based VC firm established by Peter Thiel, the controversial billionaire who was also a co-founder at PayPal.
Were extremely excited about this next chapter at Neuralink, the company wrote at the time on X, the Musk-owned social media platform formerly known as Twitter.

Musk has forecast human trials at the startup at least four times since 2019, yet the company didnt seek FDA approval until 2022. At that time, the agency rejected the bid, according to a March Reuters report, citing safety concerns about parts of the implant migrating to other parts of the brain and possible brain tissue damage when the devices are removed.

Musk said at a December recruiting event that Neuralink has submitted most of its paperwork to the US Food and Drug Administration and could begin testing on humans within six months.

But employees told Reuters in December that the company is rushing to market, resulting in careless animal deaths and a federal investigation.

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Solar_Crimson
09/20/23 12:28:51 PM
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Anyone who agrees to this is an idiot.

So, par for the course for the Musketeers.

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scar_the_1
09/20/23 12:28:53 PM
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Cocytus posted...
Musk has been working
No he hasn't

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TMOG
09/20/23 12:29:57 PM
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Cocytus posted...
PRIME, short for Precise Robotically Implanted Brain-Computer Interface
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Rharyx211
09/20/23 12:30:23 PM
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The people who sign up for testing are as dumb as the people who signed up for the trip to the Titanic.

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Vokrent
09/20/23 12:31:43 PM
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"BILL GATES IS GONNA IMPLANT CHIPS IN YOU VIA THE VACCINE! EVIL!"

"Oh hell yeah, i'll let Musk put a chip in my head!"

the same person

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Nirvanas_Nox
09/20/23 12:32:09 PM
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scar_the_1 posted...
No he hasn't

Agreed. All he does is have others do the work for him then he claims credit. Musk is a total Edison.

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GrandConjuraton
09/20/23 12:34:12 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Anyone who agrees to this is an idiot.

So, par for the course for the Musketeers.


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DarkChozoGhost
09/20/23 12:37:02 PM
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It's only available to quadriplegics. I can sympathize that some of them might sign up for this. They may consider life worth living at all in their current state, and therefore even an incredibly stupid and dangerous thing to do might be worth a shot.

It's still an incredibly stupid thing to do considering who's behind it and how monkey tests went, but I get it.

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ProfessorKukui
09/20/23 12:37:48 PM
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So they are just gonna let them go ahead, huh

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Prismsblade
09/20/23 12:41:57 PM
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Being more optimistic about this I really hope it succeeds and this research helps fight paralysis down the line.

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Toonstrack
09/20/23 12:42:54 PM
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You couldn't pay me a million dollars to out that thing on

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divot1338
09/20/23 12:43:27 PM
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Elon Musk is the last person who should be entrusted with researching much less providing brain implants.

How could he be trusted to not implement a subscription service to allow it to continue running?

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Dark_Arbron
09/20/23 12:44:04 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Being more optimistic about this I really hope it succeeds and this research helps fight paralysis down the line.

It would be great if so. It's just hard to be optimistic given the kind of person Musk has shown himself to be these past few years.

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Fin_Dawg_004
09/20/23 12:47:10 PM
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Hopefully it goes well

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ProfessorKukui
09/20/23 1:23:58 PM
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Imagine beign in your first hike, deep in bear country, with your child after years of being unable to walk & you hear a "Beep bep, your subscription to MuskWalk has ended. Shutting down, good bye."

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CE_gonna_CE
09/20/23 1:24:54 PM
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No thanks, Im good

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Dreepapult
09/20/23 1:25:16 PM
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TMOG posted...
Anybody else not surprised that Elon doesn't understand how acronyms work?
Lol wtf

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Mew
09/20/23 1:25:49 PM
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Did a single monkey even survive?

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Cocytus
09/20/23 1:36:45 PM
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Mew posted...
Did a single monkey even survive?
Pray for Mojo.

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BewmHedshot
09/20/23 1:45:43 PM
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I hope this technology advances but there's no chance I'm ever putting a Musk chip in my brain.
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Starks
09/20/23 1:49:10 PM
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The end game is a surgery that only requires doctors for the skull cut. Everything after, including inserting the electrodes THROUGH THE DURA, would be revolutionary.

Could probably extend this to making completely flush cochlear implants.

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Enclave
09/20/23 1:51:02 PM
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scar_the_1 posted...
No he hasn't

Shit posting on X is working, apparently. So yes, he's been working.

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Voidgolem
09/20/23 1:52:25 PM
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Personal dislike of musk aside, this is tech we already have. Like "quadrapalegic operates a computer via implant" has made headlines like once a year since ~2017, I think.

So pretty par the course for sir "fuck up a good idea with his personal branding" to stumble into and subsequently fuck up somehow

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Starks
09/20/23 1:56:36 PM
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Calling it tech we already have is a little misleading. The proposal is an almost completely automated insertion of dozens of electrodes far more accurately and faster than any human surgeon.

The goal is a completely generalized machine whole-brain interface. And you probably need a ghost in the shell style brain case to do that, but that's down the road.

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the_rowan
09/20/23 1:57:34 PM
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Realistically speaking, as long as there are other minds working on this who have safety as their priority rather than rushing something out, this sort of technology has the potential for an extraordinary amount of good for disabled people. This is the sort of thing we want to succeed for the sake of humanity's welfare more than we want it to fail because Musk is an asshole.

For those crying about "subscription service" woes... you're kind of missing the point from every angle. Having anything available is better than nothing. And the cost isn't going to be a sneaky subscription, it's going to be staggering, insurmountable upfront money, plus mandatory ongoing costs for maintenance care. Costs will eventually go down if the technology works, but it will take until the patent expires plus another decade or two, at the least.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
09/20/23 1:59:30 PM
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https://m.soundcloud.com/gamequotes/cave-johnson-now-if-youre-part

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Pikachuchupika
09/20/23 2:01:16 PM
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One day we will be able to increase our abilities with implants. Intelligence, dex, strength, constitution, etc. It's going to be great.
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thronedfire2
09/20/23 2:04:39 PM
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What could possibly go wrong with the richest man on the planet having control of peoples brains?

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the_rowan
09/20/23 2:13:20 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
What could possibly go wrong with the richest man on the planet having control of peoples brains?

Well, that would require Neuralink to have functionality allowing it to do something which it would not be tested for in trials, which is orders of magnitude more complicated. It's an interface designed to allow the brain to control a computer; allowing the reverse is something we are not even close to doing. I could see a dystopia where, some day in the near future, an interface like this could be used to provide hormonal encouragement for certain behaviors in a way that benefitted a party's interests, but just casually controlling someone's body, speech, or thoughts is not even remotely close to possible right now.

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WingsOfGood
09/20/23 2:30:24 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
I hope this technology advances but there's no chance I'm ever putting a Musk chip in my brain.

What is the worst that could happen?

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Nirvanas_Nox
09/20/23 2:33:31 PM
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the_rowan posted...
Realistically speaking, as long as there are other minds working on this who have safety as their priority rather than rushing something out, this sort of technology has the potential for an extraordinary amount of good for disabled people. This is the sort of thing we want to succeed for the sake of humanity's welfare more than we want it to fail because Musk is an asshole.

For those crying about "subscription service" woes... you're kind of missing the point from every angle. Having anything available is better than nothing. And the cost isn't going to be a sneaky subscription, it's going to be staggering, insurmountable upfront money, plus mandatory ongoing costs for maintenance care. Costs will eventually go down if the technology works, but it will take until the patent expires plus another decade or two, at the least.

Musk does not have any incentive to try to turn this into anything less than the product that was advertised. This isn't a product that needs to eke out every dollar, it's a product that will generate billions of dollars if it passes government oversight and never make it to market it if doesn't.

Yeah and knowing musk it'll probably be half assed and unfinished like his hyperloop.

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NES4EVER
09/20/23 2:35:11 PM
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Absolutely not.

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A_Good_Boy
09/20/23 2:35:45 PM
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The dude can't even run a websight yet people are lining up to allow the guy to perform surgery on their brain. Make it make fucking sense.

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MTRodaba2468
09/20/23 2:57:58 PM
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This COULD lead to good things, however, I don't trust Musk to pull it off.

His involvement just makes me think of the movie Upgrade coming to fruition.

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zado19
09/20/23 3:16:29 PM
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Amazing how there were apparently 5G(??????) Microchips in covid vaccines, but this is just totally fine and dandy
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Vyrulisse
09/20/23 3:17:00 PM
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You never sign up for the first wave.

Also CE, remember that when sex androids become available: Let other people beta test first

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WingsOfGood
09/20/23 3:24:01 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
You never sign up for the first wave.

Also CE, remember that when sex androids become available: Let other people beta test first

The prototype will be worth alot of money on ebay
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voldothegr8
09/20/23 3:32:16 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Anyone who agrees to this is an idiot.
I don't know about you, but if I were paralyzed and this were a chance to move again I would be all over it, as much as I distrust Musk. Won't catch me dead in a Tesla.

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the_rowan
09/20/23 3:53:43 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
I don't know about you, but if I were paralyzed and this were a chance to move again I would be all over it, as much as I distrust Musk. Won't catch me dead in a Tesla.

There's certainly considerations for "robotic brain surgery into previously untested implant" vs "get chip that may allow me to do things normally for free instead of for amount of money I can literally never afford".

You do have to worry about stuff like this, though:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-faces-federal-probe-employee-backlash-over-animal-tests-2022-12-05/

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NatsuSama
09/20/23 3:56:17 PM
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Tyranthraxus
09/20/23 3:56:23 PM
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the_rowan posted...
There's certainly considerations for "robotic brain surgery into previously untested implant" vs "get chip that may allow me to do things normally for free instead of for amount of money I can literally never afford".
Or you could just be quadriplegic + crippling migraines for the rest of your life instead of just quadriplegic.

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Purple_Cheetah
09/20/23 3:58:27 PM
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Originally I thought this could be interesting, though highly questionable, if done correctly. This was before his brilliance with Twitter and Tesla, so now my thoughts have changed.

All I can say is good luck to those that sign up...
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Cocytus
09/21/23 10:40:40 AM
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Vyrulisse posted...
You never sign up for the first wave.

Also CE, remember that when sex androids become available: Let other people beta test first
You want a beta-tested one of those?

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Irony
09/21/23 10:41:22 AM
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Vyrulisse posted...
You never sign up for the first wave.

Also CE, remember that when sex androids become available: Let other people beta test first
No shut up I want to be that guy from Leprechaun 3

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Lil_Bit83
09/21/23 10:42:26 AM
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Uh yeah this sounds dumb.

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DementedDurian
09/21/23 10:48:45 AM
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Given how I just one of Neuralink's test subjects had a brain bleed that lasted months...

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divot1338
09/21/23 11:10:24 AM
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the_rowan posted...
Musk does not have any incentive to try to turn this into anything less than the product that was advertised. This isn't a product that needs to eke out every dollar, it's a product that will generate billions of dollars if it passes government oversight and never make it to market it if doesn't.
I do not for a second believe his only reason for doing this is what they advertise. There is literally no way Musk doesnt have some ridiculously insane idea of what hell secretly be able to do to someones brain.

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