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ablegator posted...

This might be true, but I get the itch to rewatch the Nolan movies more often. I love them all for different reasons, with Rises having enough going on that Im just in and can ignore all the nonsense.

I have all the Bond Hot Takes.

Octopussy is the best Moore movie

Goldfinger is the worst thing that could have happened. Dr. No and From Russia With Love were mostly heightened spy movies, after Goldfinger hit the movies were off to the circus.

The Pierce Brosnan films are action films, not spy movies. And they wasted Michelle Yeoh.

The films should have limited continuity and just be episodic. The attempt at an arch through the Craig films is off putting, to me.

license to kill is a Miami vice episode only uglier and more cheaply made than 80s TV. But what a cast!

My favorite Bond movie is The Spy Who Loved Me, so Im curious where you rank that.

PraetorXyn posted...

My favorite Bond movie is The Spy Who Loved Me, so Im curious where you rank that.

Honestly that movie has fallen off quite a bit for me. It really drags in the last act, XXX runs out of things to do after she gets the microfilm, Stromburgh is kind of boring, Jaws biting the shark is kind of gross. Of the movies that use the YOLT, TND false flag world destruction plots its the best but thats a low bar.

The first half of the movie is great though, it moves quickly, there are some surprises, the rooftop bit with Sandor is one of the few great hard edged Moore scenes. The helicopter chase and wink perfectly hits the tone of what is enjoyable about this era.The pre title stunt and cut to theme is outstanding. I totally see how its a favorite. Falls bottom third for me, dont hate it but there are others I like better.

PraetorXyn posted...

I love that adaptation. It obviously couldnt do all the twists and turns of the book in an hour and a half (or even three hours), and basically every change they made, U thought it made the central revenge plot better.

:/

Interesting question. Id have to think about it, but I can come up with some.

Demolition Man is one of the best movies ever made, and Wesley Snipess best performance.

Face/Off is likewise one of the best movies ever made, and one of if not the best performances by Travolta and Cage.

Grown Ups is a comfort movie for me. I could just throw it on anytime I cant decide what to watch and it will always make me laugh.

There are lots of movies that havent aged well at all I watch every time I catch them on something, like Hackers.

Highlander: The Series > Highlander

The Godfather is overrated.

LOTR (both books and movies) is overrated.

Probably loads more I could post later.

ablegator posted...

Honestly that movie has fallen off quite a bit for me. It really drags in the last act, XXX runs out of things to do after she gets the microfilm, Stromburgh is kind of boring, Jaws biting the shark is kind of gross. Of the movies that use the YOLT, TND false flag world destruction plots its the best but thats a low bar.

The first half of the movie is great though, it moves quickly, there are some surprises, the rooftop bit with Sandor is one of the few great hard edged Moore scenes. The helicopter chase and wink perfectly hits the tone of what is enjoyable about this era.The pre title stunt and cut to theme is outstanding. I totally see how its a favorite. Falls bottom third for me, dont hate it but there are others I like better.

I just loved the femme fatale female spy to give 007 a run for his money angle. I cant really disagree with any of the criticisms.

If you eliminate the beginning in Egypt and changed the ending to a big space battle, The Fifth Element would have been the greatest movie of all time.

the MCU shared universe thing is a boring, arbitrary gimmick, that can rob its filmmakers of any meaningful freedom.

like, individual movies in the franchise can be good, but the shared universe only goes as far as the plot demands, which feels inorganic. let's say a character is dealing with a major threat, and none of the other heroes show up - what's the point of things being connected, then?

or let's say a director/writer wants to kill off a character or have them change allegiances in a way that would add some extra oomph to the story - can't have that because they have to be in Avengers 12.

Resident Evil films are not that bad and good popcorn movies.

boxoto posted...

or let's say a director/writer wants to kill off a character or have them change allegiances in a way that would add some extra oomph to the story - can't have that because they have to be in Avengers 12.

This clearly isn't the case. So many characters have died in MCU movies.

If Tupac Shakur hadn't died in 1996 he should have gotten the Denzel Washington role in Training Day, and would have done much better than Denzel.

Robert_T_Pooner posted...

If Tupac Shakur hadn't died in 1996 he should have gotten the Denzel Washington role in Training Day, and would have done much better than Denzel.

While we're on the subject of Tupac; Poetic Justice is not a good movie.

Tyranthraxus posted...

This clearly isn't the case. So many characters have died in MCU movies.

I meant that, they can't die unless if it's something that fits with the overall franchise.

Robert_T_Pooner posted...

If Tupac Shakur hadn't died in 1996 he should have gotten the Denzel Washington role in Training Day, and would have done much better than Denzel.

I agree. I have never really liked Denzel as an actor.

Also Evil Dead 1 was the only good one in the trilogy. I like the 2 and AoD but they just devolved into Naked Gun silliness.

Toonstrack posted...

The movie doesn't try to say batman is perfect or morally right for what he is doing. He lies, he steals, and he ultimately is forced to kill to save people, but it isn't even him who stops the jokers plan, its the will of the very people joker was terrorizing.

Batmans point in that movie is that he does the morally culpable things so no one else has to, and he takes with that the fallout of those decisions, both in his personal life and in his persona. This is the entire point of the monologue at the end of the film and why it's titled the way it is. Hes not a moral upright stalwart beacon of goodness like dent was trying to be, hes the guy in the dark that will do whatever is necessary to save as many as he can.

That he can solve some crime with his money is irrelevant in this film as joker doesn't care about money, can't be bought, can't be bribed. He is an agent of chaos and some men just want to watch the world burn.

That doesn't contradict anything I said. I mean, I didn't even say anything except that it was juvenile and doesn't hold up to a lot of intellectual scrutiny. Which is uhh, yeah, that's about right.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

That doesn't contradict anything I said. I mean, I didn't even say anything except that it was juvenile and doesn't hold up to a lot of intellectual scrutiny. Which is uhh, yeah, that's about right.

Sure it does, as far as a fictional allegorical movie is supposed to. It doesn't have to redefine ethical philosophy; and to call it juvenile is a cynical take if anything.

You and the post you were responding to make the implicit claim that the movie endorses big brother politics by way of having its protagonist break ethical boundaries to defeat the villain, and that it glosses over the impact Bruce Wayne could have by funding other ventures instead of beating up criminals.

Thats incorrect because the movie makes clear the particular villain hesr would be here without regard to money and is exploiting already present police corruption and distrust. Most of those outreach things are corrupt(ironically this is also the case in The Batman, where Thomas Wayne's attempted outreach fund became a money laundering pit for the corrupt elite). Bruce waynes money would never reach the folks its intended to.

As for juvenile? Maybe its not so juvenile to think that some people can be good, and when pushed to the brink can act altruisticslly. Maybe you dont believe in that sort of thing anymore but that doesn't make it juvenile for anyone who does or wants to.

This is gonna earn me a lynching (or at least some negative tags lol)

-The Star Wars sequels arent bad. Most of the whining stems from people who expected the movies to go a certain way and / or put too much stock in behind the scenes drama

-Michael Bays Transformers movies are awesome and shouldnt have gotten as much hate as they did (and this is coming from someone who considers Beast Wars the best Transformers show).

-Theres nothing wrong with Shrek the Third. Its only crime would be not being as good as the first two.

-The Hobbit movies are great and Peter Jackson did a great job of not only adapting the book, but adding in material that Tolkien had written about after he wrote The Hobbit. Sure theres some extra shit in there, but guess what? Theres a ton of made up shit in the LotR movies too.

-Ghostbusters 2016 is a genuinely funny movie. The people who tried to make it out to be some evil feminist movie trying to overshadow the original :c are whacked out of their mind. And this is coming from someone who considers the original Ghostbusters a top 10 movie.

rexcrk posted...

-The Star Wars sequels arent bad. Most of the whining stems from people who expected the movies to go a certain way and / or put too much stock in behind the scenes drama

My brother hasn't even seen the movie, and he hates The Last Jedi for the exact same reasons as everyone else who hasn't gotten over it. And I have a co-worker, who really liked The Last Jedi when I let him borrow a copy, but has seemingly forgotten all about that experience and, again, hates the movie for the same reason as everyone else. I would argue that a significant portion of the hate, even from people who have seen it and sincerely disliked it, is just the results of trapping themselves in some kind of peer pressure vacuum and letting their own individual feelings be overwritten by that of the echo chamber.

I thought it was funny when Chewbacca didn't eat the penguin.

Blade Runner is massively overrated. Nerds on the internet told me it was one of the best must-see sci-fi films. I thought it was pretty underwhelming. 2049 was way better

ffmasterjose posted...

Blade Runner is massively overrated. Nerds on the internet told me it was one of the best must-see sci-fi films. I thought it was pretty underwhelming. 2049 was way better

Tbh thats close to not being a hot take anymore.

But it should be.

ffmasterjose posted...

Blade Runner is massively overrated. Nerds on the internet told me it was one of the best must-see sci-fi films. I thought it was pretty underwhelming. 2049 was way better

I think the set design of the original is a solid 11/10, but other than that, yeah. The pacing in the original movie is trash and the final confrontation was hilariously bad. Felt like you can feel the movie rushing at a certain point because they spent so much time on long, drawn out dialogue scenes beforehand.

And 2049 is, in fact, way better.

Blade Runner is good but I think I like its soundtrack more than the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RScZrvTebeA

Thought of another one while Ive been marathon-ing the Toy Story movies.

Lightyear is a great movie, outside of the complete mishandling of Zurg. The complaints of it reek of angry nerds who have this weird loyalty to the cartoon from years ago and the overall jadedness that affects people these days. Up until the way they handled Zurg, I was really enjoying it. Hell, even despite that, I still really enjoyed the movie. Most fun Ive had watching a Pixar movie in a long time.

rexcrk posted...

Thought of another one while Ive been marathon-ing the Toy Story movies.

Lightyear is a great movie, outside of the complete mishandling of Zurg. The complaints of it reek of angry nerds who have this weird loyalty to the cartoon from years ago and the overall jadedness that affects people these days. Up until the way they handled Zurg, I was really enjoying it. Hell, even despite that, I still really enjoyed the movie. Most fun Ive had watching a Pixar movie in a long time.

I didn't see it but it was the first Pixar that somewhat piqued my interest since the first Incredibles.

I guess that's a hot take in and of itself; outside of the first Incredibles film, and a few others I grew up with like Toy Story 1+2 and A Bug's Life, I generally don't care for Pixar films.

Funkydog posted...

The ending of 'Edge of Tomorrow' is perhaps the worst garbage I have ever seen and ruins a film I otherwise really enjoyed.

Just felt so fucking cheesy and stereotypically American - cheesy grin, hero wins and gets the girl.

I don't know if it's the worst, but definitely agree it wasn't needed

The movie was pretty consistent with it's internal logic except for the end - whatever mechanism resetting time was destroyed by the Cruise at the end, thus time should have just moved forward (with him and the platoon dead)

Tarantino is a competent director and a horrible hack writer. His movies are carried by his style.

Nolan overall makes incredibly boring movies.

The MCU has not dropped in quality since Endgame. Phase 4 is actually consistently the best one so far. People just suddenly got some weird new expectations.

Coppola should not be remembered as one of the greatest directors of all time. You can count the number of movies people love on one hand and everything else he made is steaming crap no one remembers. Kubrick has twice as many classics with half the filmography.

Rob Zombie's Halloween's are both really solid, people just try too hard to compare them to the original. Most of his movies are great. I can completely understand people not being down with his style, but you can't deny that he has the style.

specialkid8 posted...

Most of his movies are great. I can completely understand people not being down with his style, but you can't deny that he has the style.

Speaking of Rob Zombie movies, House of 1000 Corpses really grew on me. I didn't care much for it at first, but my best friend loves it so I've ended up watching it many times and came to liking it. I like the weird music video-esque style it had. Both Bill Mosely and Sid Haig were amazing in it and The Devil's Rejects, which is even better.

Southernfatman posted...

Speaking of Rob Zombie movies, House of 1000 Corpses really grew on me. I didn't care much for it at first, but my best friend loves it so I've ended up watching it many times and came to liking it. I like the weird music video-esque style it had. Both Bill Mosely and Sid Haig were amazing in it and The Devil's Rejects, which is even better.

Yeah, his style is great. His newer movies definitely aren't as good because he's clearly working with a much smaller budget outside the system but they're still a ton of fun. I hate that he basically got blacklisted after Halloween. He's apparently good friends with James Gunn. I'd love to see them team up and make something seriously fucked up and weird

I used to love feature-length comedies as a kid and young adult, but they really fell off hard for me after the first Anchorman. Talladega Nights, Wedding Crashers, Superbad, Step Brothers...didn't care for any of them. Walk Hard was the lone exception, I liked that one.

The only feature-length comedies I've genuinely loved since then - Hot Fuzz, Deadpool, The Nice Guys - drift closer to action-comedy than just straight comedy.

masterpug53 posted...

I used to love feature-length comedies as a kid and young adult, but they really fell off hard for me after the first Anchorman. Talladega Nights, Wedding Crashers, Superbad, Step Brothers...didn't care for any of them. Walk Hard was the lone exception, I liked that one.

The only feature-length comedies I've genuinely loved since then - Hot Fuzz, Deadpool, The Nice Guys - drift closer to action-comedy than just straight comedy.

I recently realized I haven't liked pretty much any straight up comedies that have been made since at least the mid 90's. I don't think I'd even care for Adam Sandler's stuff from then if I rewatched them now. Apatow and his crew completely ruined comedies for over a decade. I think we're just now starting to bounce back from that. The only really funny movies of the past couple decades have been hybrids like action comedies, comedy dramas, or horror comedies.

I basically snored through Iron Man 1.

All this Superbad disrespect itt is hurting my soul.

Kitt posted...

All this Superbad disrespect itt is hurting my soul.

I'll add to it. Superbad is an absolutely awful movie as are the majority of films anyone involved with it touches.

specialkid8 posted...

I'll add to it. Superbad is an absolutely awful movie as are the majority of films anyone involved with it touches.

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