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I have been binge watching the More Trek channel on Pluto TV since last October. For those of you who arent familiar, on said channel they play a trek series 24/7 in sequence. Now they are playing DS9, but before they were doing Voyager. I have always considered DS9 to be the superior show, but I am sitting here wishing they were still playing Voyager. Its if I have gotten over DS9, or maybe it is something else.

Watching dis episode right now, always loved dis scene.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UtelJn2SLhw&si=XUbPvoQJ8HUrOczt

Especially the Lies

https://youtu.be/4n8j6z8fQ_c?si=zNR7pCfd0JlSp0_P

Easily DS9. Voyager has its moments for sure, but overall it abandoned the premise of the show by its second episode.

https://youtu.be/PIGxMENwq1k?si=2RrOrkvE9rn_Tyu8

Voyager is better if you just want to jump in watch an episode and go. It has an over arching plot but every episode is more less self contained.

DS9 is better if you want a long epic with branching stories that reward paying attention to early episodes.

DS9 also has what I would consider the best episode of television

I agree with what yall are saying wholeheartedly. But for some reason, I am sitting here watching a really good episode of DS9, and der is part of me dat wishes dey were still playing Voyager.

DS9, easily.

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Personally, I rate The Visitor as the best DS9 episode.

DS9 is vastly superior to Voyager honestly.

Its in an entirely different league.

TomClark posted...

Personally, I rate The Visitor as the best DS9 episode.

Your both wrong!
Duet is the best episode!

On my pluto they have 2 star trek channels. They rotate between the 4 major shows. Ds9 all the way.

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

DS9 is vastly superior to Voyager honestly.

Its in an entirely different league.

I agree with you, but binging Voyager for months must have given me an all new appreciation for it. DS9 has been playing for 2 months, and part of me is already getting tired of watching it.

my vote's for voyager, mostly because I just prefer the characters

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Assuming you are into women, imagine da scenes with TPol in decontamination. Dat will give you da motivation to plod through da crap.

Dey are playing some self congratulating crap hosted by Jerry OConnell, dat is probably designed to get people like me into da Paramount+ Trek series.

DS9... Voyager was good but just never lived up to the potential it had

Also.. Dont Fuck with the Sisko

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Funny thing, when da series first aired, she did nothing for me. But, when I streamed da series a couple years ago, I was wondering how I didnt notice how hot she was den.

Out of nowhere, Lower Decks is on Funny AF.

K181 posted...

Easily DS9. Voyager has its moments for sure, but overall it abandoned the premise of the show by its second episode.

I won't forgive Berman for denying Voyager of its potential. Ronald Moore was brought over from DS9 to help improve Voyager's writing. Berman resented Moore's involvement and made the work environment so miserable for Moore that he left Voyager after only one season.

DS9 has a fantastic plot, but bad episodes with some weak acting. You really need to binge it (and maybe skip some episodes) to appreciate it.

Voyager is kinda Star Trek junk food. Turn your brain off and have fun. People shit on it because it's super inconsistent, but it was made to be serialized. The Doctor is fantastic and some of the 7o9 episodes are amazing.

Voyager is better then DS9 in literally every aspect. Would have been better if Sisko wasn't in it though. The only episode of voyager anyone should have a problem with is the Tuvix episode because he was literally murdered and everyone just stood around and let Janeway do it even as he was pleading to literally everyone to let him live.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Voyager is better then DS9 in literally every aspect. Would have been better if Sisko wasn't in it though. The only episode of voyager anyone should have a problem with is the Tuvix episode because he was literally murdered and everyone just stood around and let Janeway do it even as he was pleading to literally everyone to let him live.

what about the racist as fuck episode tattoo

AceMos posted...

what about the racist as fuck episode tattoo

Oooh forgot about that episode. Include that one too.

DS9 loses by default because a space station cannot warp 10

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Voyager is better then DS9 in literally every aspect. Would have been better if Sisko wasn't in it though

Close your account and exile yourself to a remote island nation

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/0/AAcZIZAAE0wy.jpg

DS9 is great. I like the premise of Voyager more than I like the show. If that makes sense.

punkfanalways posted...

DS9 is great. I like the premise of Voyager more than I like the show. If that makes sense.

It absolutely makes sense. They wasted the premise.

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I appreciate the reason quark tells sisko rule of acquisition 98
every man has his price

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That is not how you spell Sacrifice Of Angels. The greatest episode of Trek ever.

Give me this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbGs93JFfb0

Anyday over some piss poor episode called In The Pale Moonlight.

Also give me these episodes:

Nor The Battle To The Strong
All Mirror Universe episodes (except the crap Emperors New Cloak)
The Siege Of Ar-558
Strange Bedfellows
Trials And Tribble-Ations
Civil Defense
Starship Down

Anyday over In The Pale Moonlight.

Oh and anyone who thinks that plagiarism of Babylon 5 is the best Trek series I cannot take seriously.

Voyager rips the ever loving Targ manure out of Deep Snorefest 9.

pegusus123456 posted...

It absolutely makes sense. They wasted the premise.

Oh god yes. Not just the "stranded and trying to get home" aspect, or the "half the crew are terrorists" aspect, but also everything that made the characters interesting got jettisoned by episode two.

Like, Neelix in episode one basically manipulates the crew into helping rescue Kes, then worms his way into the crew by convincing them that they can't get through the Delta Quadrant without him - it's pretty clear that he's using a faux-affable persona to ingratiate himself for his own protection, while belying a more calculating streak. "Brilliant," you think, "this guy is Star Trek's own Doctor Smith! I can't wait to see how far he's willing to go or what happens when the faade inevitably slips and the conflicts arise!" Then, from episode 2 onwards, his defining characteristic is that "Haha, Space Hedgehog can't cook!"

I like both too much to be able to compare.

@ImAMarvel and everyone else who thinks that utter Targ manure in Deepsnorefest 9 is the best.

This is everything wrong with Deepshit 9

1. Oh look lets plagiarize and copy Babylon 5 an idea that we the execs at Paramount originally rejected after J. Michael Straczynski proposed it to us in 1991.
2. Lets set it on a Space Station with the characters not going any bloody where thus alienating all the fans of TOS and TNG who grew up with the idea that Star Trek was about a Captain on a Starship travelling The Galaxy not being stuck on a Space Station not going any bloody where.
3. Quick lets bring in the Defiant to try and win back the fans of TOS and TNG and it worked! Proving yet again a Starship is the way to go over some shit Space Station.
4. Only a Commander can be in charge of a Spacestation! Quick lets make Sisko Captain to again try win over fans of TOS and TNG! Thus changing the original premise of the series.
5. The cast and crew (with the exception of Jadzia, Quark and Garak (OBrien doesnt count as he is a superior TNG crewman)) were so crap and pathetic that the creators freely admit that Worf was brought in to try and win back ratings and viewers.
6. Sisko was so shit as Captain it was unbelievable. Even the creators could see just how crap he was which is why they tried to change him in to Hawk a character Avery Brooks played in the TV shows Spencer: For Hire and A Man Called Hawk.
7. I agree with one commentator when he said that The Dominion story arc killed Star Trek. It made absolutely fantastic TV but then having to see Janeway and Archer go back to the old ways of trying to talk your way out of a fight just seemed dull and boring in comparison.
8. Another way The Dominion Arc almost killed Star Trek was that Seasons 5, 6 and 7 especially Seasons 6 and 7 suffered terribly because of it. Ill explain. take season 6 after the opening 6 parter only 3 episodes dealt with The Dominion War which meant the rest of the season was filled with utter shit, drivel, fluff and filler episodes. Same for Season 7. It is the only way to explain utter gems and Classics(note extreme sarcasm) in You Are Cordially Invited, Far Beyond The Stars (never watched by me never will), Profit And Lace, The Sound Of Her Voice, Times Orphan, Take Me Out To The Holosuite (Never watched by me and never will) (Oh look we are currently in the middle of a war that we are getting our asses kicked in what shall we do? Oh I know lets invite a Vulcan Captain to a game of that Americanized version of Rounders.), Badda-Bing Badda Bang, Prodigal Daughter (Even the creators apologised for that mess) and Chimera.
9. They destroyed Gul Dukat and Kai Winn by turning them into moustache twirling cartoon villains.
10. I hated the Bajorans and all their Prophets and Pah-Wraiths shit and nonsense. The Sisko this and The Sisko that oh shut the fuck up. That got boring after the first two episodes. Also why was Sisko emissary when it was both him and Dax that discovered the wormhole.
11. What You Leave Behind was a terrible way to end the series. They build up the amazing Dominion War Arc then rush through it in less than 20 minutes just so they could put a closure to all that Dukat, Winn Pah-Wraiths shit and nonsense and then the creators realized they had to pad it out to 88 miutes so added all that goodbye to the cast crap. So glad Voyager got it right.
12. Twice Babylon 5 won best Sci-Fi show over DS9 showing once again how crap DS9 was and B5 was a show in constant danger of being axed.

Did you know that DS9 only became a hit AFTER it finished it's run. During it it was flopping badly.

9 + 11) is my main criticism of the show.

CassandraCroft posted...

They destroyed Gul Dukat and Kai Winn by turning them into moustache twirling cartoon villains.

he was ALWAYS pure evil he is a fucking rapist for gods sakes

dukat having some depth does not take away from the millions of bajorans he butchered during the occupation

I like both, but I like Voyager more.

Also, just incase anyone didnt know already, go listen to The Delta Flyers podcast. The actors of Tom and Harry reviewed every episode

Character interactions/behavior as well as plot logic are much better in DS9.

But for exploration and new/interesting stuff, VOY is better. That said, the crew of Voyager had SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES to get home, but were too damn stupid to take them.

Tom_Joad posted...

But for exploration and new/interesting stuff,

they largely interact with the same kinds of things you got in TNG

hell they quickly start just having alpha quadrant aliens show up in the delta quadrant

DS9 is the one that introduces new ideas and actually makes alien cultures feel like a fleshed out culture rather than a planet of hats

i didn't like how many times in VOY the story was basically "hey, we found a gas cloud, let's mine it for resources. Oh no, the gas cloud is alive, whatever shall we do?"

in the early seasons, it happened alot, sometimes several times in a row

I've been rewatching quite a bit of Voyager lately and it is a little better than I remember. It had an excellent cast and the show really did shine when it was doing heavily character focused stories that took advantage of what those actors are capable of. When the show was at its best they were giving us some very thoughtful, engaging stories.

A lot of the weaknesses though have been pointed out in this topic. They often didn't want to commit to their own premise. If the writers mostly wanted to do self contained stories that's fine except for the fact that they chose a premise where the choices the characters make in a given episode should have bigger repercussions down the line than on a show like TNG.

I also think it's kinda inconsistent. I don't think there are many truly bad episodes of the show, but in between the great episodes there are a lot of episodes that have an intriguing premise or good character moments but for one reason or another fall short of what they could have been.