Poll of the Day > I am getting leg lengthening surgery, and going from 5'9 to 6'1.5

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09/07/23 10:01:57 PM
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MabinogiFan
09/07/23 10:02:39 PM
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chelsea___wtf posted...
height dysphoria
I'm sorry, this made me chuckle a little.
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Muscles
09/07/23 10:08:39 PM
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adjl posted...
If they were okay with themselves, they wouldn't need to transition. Not being okay with yourself is what it means to be dysphoric (at least as regards a personal trait, since the term does more generally refer to any pervasive sense of unease, but we'll stick with the colloquial use).
If they get to the point where they like themselves and still want to transition then yeah, let them transition, but there's a reason that the first step in transitioning is talking to a professional. Some of the people that think they want to transition don't actually want to transition, and it's better to figure that out if they want to actually transition or if they just have hangups about their body/have an illness/disease that could be worked out with a therapist before they go about transitioning. So yeah, I think it's perfectly fine to say the way you were born is the way you were meant to be but with some exceptions.

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BlackScythe0
09/07/23 10:46:03 PM
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I don't know how exactly what was obviously a low effort troll post went this direction but this is probably the first time in my life I've ever seen cosmetic surgery be defended this way. While there are definitely a variety of legitimate cosmetic surgeries (like dealing with excess skin after weight loss) I view the "non-legitimate" ones as predatory.

Wishing you were taller is not the same as a persons gender identity and I consider it to be transphobia that people are attempting to make this argument.
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ReturnOfFa
09/07/23 11:21:47 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
I don't know how exactly what was obviously a low effort troll post went this direction but this is probably the first time in my life I've ever seen cosmetic surgery be defended this way. While there are definitely a variety of legitimate cosmetic surgeries (like dealing with excess skin after weight loss) I view the "non-legitimate" ones as predatory.

Wishing you were taller is not the same as a persons gender identity and I consider it to be transphobia that people are attempting to make this argument.
I sway the other way as you, but your argument would've been a lot more potent without that last bit where ya blew it!

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Nade_Duck
09/07/23 11:27:18 PM
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so is being ugly or short (not dwarfism) going to be a disability in a few years now cause i'm down for a little special treatment

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BlackScythe0
09/07/23 11:34:41 PM
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Feel better about yourself or something?
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ReturnOfFa
09/07/23 11:34:58 PM
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Nade_Duck posted...
so is being ugly or short (not dwarfism) going to be a disability in a few years now cause i'm down for a little special treatment
i don't think anyone's getting funded for this, so if you're ugly you're free to go fix that up

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DirtBasedSoap
09/07/23 11:48:40 PM
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chelsea___wtf posted...


can you give me uppies
my legs will be for show and completely unstable

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chelsea___wtf
09/08/23 12:36:07 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Wishing you were taller is not the same as a persons gender identity and I consider it to be transphobia that people are attempting to make this argument.
i think i know more about transphobia than you

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chelsea___wtf
09/08/23 12:37:09 AM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
my legs will be for show and completely unstable


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Cacciato
09/08/23 12:52:00 AM
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Dont listen to the naysayers, brand-new-user-with-made-up-story! I believe in you!
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captpackrat
09/08/23 7:57:39 AM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
my legs will be for show and completely unstable
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/8/AAQwHjAAE0lC.jpg

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adjl
09/08/23 3:13:28 PM
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Muscles posted...
So yeah, I think it's perfectly fine to say the way you were born is the way you were meant to be but with some exceptions.

Not really. Starting from the basic premise of "accept people for who they are unless that hurts other people" means not gatekeeping cases in which you're okay with people wanting to change the natural state of their bodies. Your perspective is one of "they have to earn my acceptance and support by falling into a category that I've been convinced deserves special treatment," which is not a perspective that somebody who wants to be a tolerant and accepting person should hold.

Muscles posted...
but there's a reason that the first step in transitioning is talking to a professional

I don't disagree. Pretty much any surgery should be preceded by consultations with appropriate professionals to rule out less invasive alternatives for solving the problem. But, again, there's an important difference between expressing supportive concern that somebody might not have properly considered their decision, and a blanket statement of "however you turned out is how you should be and you're wrong to want to change that." The former accepts that they have a problem they want to solve, and is trying to provide alternatives that might be safer, which is accepting and supportive. The latter starts from the premise that they are wrong to want to change themselves and need to justify the decision to you, which is neither accepting nor supportive.

BlackScythe0 posted...
I don't know how exactly what was obviously a low effort troll post went this direction

Because it's an interesting discussion with differing viewpoints. Low-effort troll posts can sometimes lead to meaningful debate, even if the low-effort troll doesn't end up being a part of it.

BlackScythe0 posted...
this is probably the first time in my life I've ever seen cosmetic surgery be defended this way.

My first reaction was "that's stupid, just accept the height you ended up with instead of resorting to invasive surgery to change it," but then I considered that I'd never say the same thing about gender (since that would make me a transphobic dinglemuffin) and realized that any line I might draw between the two would be completely arbitrary and exist solely for the purpose of letting me ignore my cognitive dissonance. So I changed my mind.

BlackScythe0 posted...
While there are definitely a variety of legitimate cosmetic surgeries (like dealing with excess skin after weight loss) I view the "non-legitimate" ones as predatory.

They can be. Much more so than gender-affirming care, there are absolutely cosmetic procedures out there that exist primarily for the sake of preying on people's insecurities and not to genuinely help. Across the board, I think more people considering cosmetic surgeries should consult a therapist before making that decision to see if they can find a way to feel more comfortable with themselves before taking the plunge on invasive medical interventions (as is typical for dealing with gender dysphoria). Be that as it may, however, virtually all cosmetic procedures can have some therapeutic value, whether we're talking radical skeletal modifications or simply getting your ears pierced. Gatekeeping that is neither helpful nor logically defensible.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Wishing you were taller is not the same as a persons gender identity and I consider it to be transphobia that people are attempting to make this argument.

It's not as big of a deal, I would agree, but they're definitely logically analogous. If you can come up with some way in which they aren't (noting that "height doesn't matter as much as gender" falls into the former category and is also completely subjective), I'm happy to entertain it, but I can't come up with a justifiable way to draw that line. As such, I'm not going to draw it.

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Muscles
09/08/23 3:32:14 PM
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adjl posted...
I don't disagree. Pretty much any surgery should be preceded by consultations with appropriate professionals to rule out less invasive alternatives for solving the problem. But, again, there's an important difference between expressing supportive concern that somebody might not have properly considered their decision, and a blanket statement of "however you turned out is how you should be and you're wrong to want to change that." The former accepts that they have a problem they want to solve, and is trying to provide alternatives that might be safer, which is accepting and supportive. The latter starts from the premise that they are wrong to want to change themselves and need to justify the decision to you, which is neither accepting nor supportive.
I don't think anyone has to justify themselves to me, I don't judge Trans people for being Trans. If that's what you want go ahead and do it. I'm just saying you should at least try to like yourself as you are before you do anything, and that's not just about Trans people. There were plenty things I hated about myself before I started to love myself and got rid of the self loathing.

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adjl
09/08/23 4:36:32 PM
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Muscles posted...
I'm just saying you should at least try to like yourself as you are before you do anything

And in doing so, you create a condition that anyone who wants to change themselves has to meet before you approve of them changing. How hard do they have to try? What do they have to try? What do you think of them if they don't try hard enough?

It's a subtle difference in how you frame it, but it's one you need to be aware of because it completely changes how accepted you make people feel. Be concerned for people's well-being, certainly, but don't frame it as "you should try to like yourself as you are first." I can guarantee that anyone seriously considering invasive cosmetic surgery has already tried liking themselves as they are. It hasn't worked, which is why they're seriously considering invasive cosmetic surgery.

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MightBeOverSoon
09/08/23 4:41:01 PM
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Beautiful things are good

go be beautiful

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shadowsword87
09/08/23 8:59:02 PM
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I don't really get why, but this sounds expensive and painful, so I wish you all the best.
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Muscles
09/08/23 10:39:32 PM
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adjl posted...
And in doing so, you create a condition that anyone who wants to change themselves has to meet before you approve of them changing. How hard do they have to try? What do they have to try? What do you think of them if they don't try hard enough?

It's a subtle difference in how you frame it, but it's one you need to be aware of because it completely changes how accepted you make people feel. Be concerned for people's well-being, certainly, but don't frame it as "you should try to like yourself as you are first." I can guarantee that anyone seriously considering invasive cosmetic surgery has already tried liking themselves as they are. It hasn't worked, which is why they're seriously considering invasive cosmetic surgery.
That's not a condition I'm putting on anyone, if you think I'm wrong and want to go straight into transitioning then I won't think less of you for it. There is no condition for me to accept a Trans person aside from who they are as individuals. If you are cool with me I'll be cool with you. If you are a dick to me (or my friends/family, or innocent people) I won't like you, and it will be for those reasons alone. Again this has less to do with Trans people in general and more to do with people like TC.

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adjl
09/08/23 11:05:38 PM
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Muscles posted...
That's not a condition I'm putting on anyone,

Phrased like that, it is. That's just what words mean. If that's not what you mean, try using different words.

I get that you're not trying to be malicious. I think most people would get that. There's still room to improve the way you're framing the point you're trying to make so it comes across as less of a criticism of their failure to like themselves as they are, which is something you should try to do if you want to be understanding and supportive.

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Malfurio2281
09/09/23 4:27:58 PM
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chelsea___wtf posted...
congrats! hope you enjoy your new height

what's the recovery period like for that surgery?

From my understanding it's one year for each surgery, so two years total
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