Current Events > Nazis on the march in Florida again

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In Crane's Roost park and then outside Disney World again.
https://twitter.com/AnnaForFlorida/status/1698065815826772326
https://twitter.com/lesleyabravanel/status/1698055105113661558

Two different groups. The red shirt dudes are the blood tribe. Not sure who the 2nd group is.
I'll refrain from commenting on how this should be dealt with. I'd hate to upset the mods with my comments on how to best deal with people who want to commit genocide.

AKA the DeSantis fan club.

Maybe Kyle Rittenhouse can go there and fund-raise for his cancel culture grift and legal defense fund?

Thought this was going to be a video of Desantis campaign rally. I suppose it still is.

Only a matter of time until we get another Charlottesville incident. I cannot stand how this s*** is tolerated. Even more so...I cannot fathom how one looks at the history of this...ideology and then thinks it is a good move to adopt it.

The Nazis lost, the Confederates lost. There are crystal clear reasons for it.

Should be legal to assault nazis tbh

Nazis should not be legally protected. We need to learn from Germany. You do nazi shit there and you get handcuffed and thrown in prison immediately

Oh what a well placed satellite crash could do

littlebro07 posted...

Should be legal to assault nazis tbh

I'd acquit you

Near unconditional free speech has always been an awful idea.

littlebro07 posted...

Should be legal to assault nazis tbh

No.

The tag I have on you makes me a little suspicious of your intent here.
Hope this is just being passionate and not an attempt to make "look! violent left!" bait.

few months back i got suspended for pointing out this very problem

I just can't believe that being edgy has gotten so extreme that even Nazis, the enemy of the PATRIOTIC World War 2, are now the "cool hipster" angle to take for these fucks.

Any violence against nazis is self-defense.

Torgo posted...

No.

The tag I have on you makes me a little suspicious of your intent here.
Hope this is just being passionate and not an attempt to make "look! violent left!" bait.

Curious on what Im tagged as lol

These people want my family dead just because we exist so yes, I believe assaulting them should come with no punishment.

just make it illegal for them to hide their identity.

But if they march then there's the potential for their identity to be revealed and their life ruined, like when they were fighting with those proud boys.

You can't just label everyone who marches with Nazi flags and fights for Nazi ideals a Nazi.

AnsestralRecall posted...

Near unconditional free speech has always been an awful idea.

Hard disagree. Everyone deserves the right to civilly express their ideas no matter how completely shitty they are.

littlebro07 posted...

Curious on what Im tagged as lol

These people want my family dead just because we exist so yes, I believe assaulting them should come with no punishment.

I don't believe in violence because people have disgusting, backwards beliefs.

That's the tough reality of living in a country with relative freedom of speech. Things would break down really fast if we allowed violence against people with beliefs you think are dangerous. Imagine if sincere believers in Christianity or Islam were convinced an atheist like myself, or a gay person were offending their God and needed to be violently dealt with. Who decides?

indica posted...

Hard disagree. Everyone deserves the right to civilly express their ideas no matter how completely shitty they are.

says the person whos life is not threatened by those ideas

Torgo posted...

I don't believe in violence because people have disgusting, backwards beliefs.

That's the tough reality of living in a country with relative freedom of speech. Things would break down really fast if we allowed violence against people with beliefs you think are dangerous. Imagine if sincere believers in Christianity or Islam were convinced an atheist like myself, or a gay person were offending their God and needed to be violently dealt with. Who decides?

Oh man, won't someone please think of the well being of literal street corner fucking nazis.

AceMos posted...

says the person whos life is not threatened by those ideas

The other problem, is that when free speech is limited, or violence is allowed against groups that hold unpopular or controversial opinions, historically that always comes back to hurt marginalized communities and minorities a lot more than hate groups and white supremacy.

littlebro07 posted...

Should be legal to assault nazis tbh

And this will raise wages, improve quality of life and prevent global warming. ( I am being sarcastic)

A_Good_Boy posted...

Oh man, won't someone please think of the well being of literal street corner fucking nazis.

You actually want the laws changed to specifically allow violence against people holding that ideology?

How will you stop those laws from being manipulated in favor of allowing violence against ideology or groups and communities you belong to?

Also, aside from that - Historically, people like these Nazis do their best work as martyrs and provocateurs.

AceMos posted...

says the person whos life is not threatened by those ideas

Making wrongful assumptions about others just makes you look even more ignorant and prejudiced >_>

Torgo posted...

when free speech is limited, or violence is allowed against groups that hold unpopular or controversial opinions, historically that always comes back to hurt marginalized communities and minorities a lot more than hate groups and white supremacy.

This

Torgo posted...

or violence is allowed against groups that hold unpopular or controversial opinions

Pineapples on pizza is an "unpopular or controversial opinion.

Liking the DCEU is an "unpopular or controversial opinion"

Nazi ideology is genocide. Full stop.

Torgo posted...

You actually want the laws changed to specifically allow violence against people holding that ideology?

How will you stop those laws from being manipulated in favor of allowing violence against ideology or groups and communities you belong to?

Also, aside from that - Historically, people like these Nazis do their best work as martyrs and provocateurs.

Read the room dude. You're concern trolling over the well being of flag waving nazis cause you think you have some sanctimonious point that nobody has ever heard before, all while having the audacity to mock another user because of the tag you've placed on them. I don't see that user going to bat for the free speech of nazis, but I see you doing it.

indica posted...

Hard disagree. Everyone deserves the right to civilly express their ideas no matter how completely shitty they are.

bOtH sIdEs sHouLd gEt hEaRD

No. There is literally no such thing as civil expression of Nazi ideology. It is inherently violent, it is inherently oppressive. It needs to be stamped out the moment its noticed, ideally before we reach the point we're at, or it will spread and infect more and more people.

Nazism is not compatible with Western ideals of free speech, but go ahead and be the Enlightened One by saying we should protect fucking Nazis.

"We are everywhere."

We will defeat you everywhere.

indica posted...

Hard disagree. Everyone deserves the right to civilly express their ideas no matter how completely shitty they are.

Tagged

Torgo posted...

The other problem, is that when free speech is limited, or violence is allowed against groups that hold unpopular or controversial opinions, historically that always comes back to hurt marginalized communities and minorities a lot more than hate groups and white supremacy.

Except, we have countries like Canada and Germany that do just fine saying, yeah, we don't allow literal fucking nazism. Its an ideology centered around murdering other people. Its literally just having ISIS able to march around on our street corners. Fuck Nazis. They deserve a lot worse than just being told to shut the fuck up or go to jail.

The Nazis do have the freedom of speech rights to march around chanting their genocidal hate speech without getting into any legal trouble.

But that freedom of speech doesnt protect them from the consequences of getting smacked in the face with a baseball bat

https://youtu.be/a3uqv0eP7Tg?si=FAoDsWU-YqjLLHK1

Torgo posted...
Also, aside from that - Historically, people like these Nazis do their best work as martyrs and provocateurs.

Ah yes, that time that they famously murdered 7 million people while being martyrs. Shut the fuck up.
Leave it to CE to have people here who want to defend the right of Nazis to preach violent genocide. Defending or protecting them is enabling them.
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Nazism should not be protected under the banner of free speech.

It is not a difference of opinion. It is not an opposing political ideology. It is a call to eliminate certain groups from existence. Last time I checked, it's illegal to call for people to murder Jews, Black people, LGBTQ individuals, people with disabilities, and anyone else whom Nazis would like to have murdered. This is as much "free speech" as giving orders shoot somebody.

A Nazi is always at war. There can be no peace with an individual who actively tries to wipe people from this Earth for what they were born. There isn't any "hearing their side of it."

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

Except, we have countries like Canada and Germany that do just fine saying, yeah, we don't allow literal fucking nazism.

Ah...let's examine that.

Are you allowed to physically assault them on the street just for holding a swastika sign or marching with their shit-head Nazi buddies?

No... of course not.

That's what I'm specifically talking about here - vigilante violence against a group espousing their ideology publicly. I'm not a free speech absolutist, I'm just against allowing citizens to take matters into their own hands with violence.

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Just be careful and don't go if you aren't prepared to defend yourself. Proud Boys and Patriot Front are one thing, they are mostly pussies who don't have the stomach for a fight. When I was doing security for LGBTQ events anytime they got in my face and I didn't back down like they expected they ran away.

These blood tribe dudes are legit unhinged. I've never scrapped with them, but I know people in other cities who have, and they said these guys are there for the violence.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Ah yes, that time that they famously murdered 7 million people while being martyrs. Shut the fuck up.
Leave it to CE to have people here who want to defend the right of Nazis to preach violent genocide. Defending or protecting them is enabling them.

Dude, you need to calm the fuck down.

Answer me this:

Do you believe we should have the legal right to instigate a physical assault against members of hate groups that are demonstrating?

Torgo posted...

Dude, you need to calm the fuck down.

Answer me this:

Do you believe we should have the legal right to instigate a physical assault against members of hate groups that are demonstrating?

Yes

It's pre-emptive self defense. They'd do worse to me if they lived in your fantasy world.

Torgo posted...

Dude, you need to calm the fuck down.

Answer me this:

Do you believe we should have the legal right to instigate a physical assault against members of hate groups that are demonstrating?

Advocating for such a position here tends to draw the attention of the mods. I'll go so far as to say this: no one advocating an ideology predicated on the idea of the murder or enslavement of every single person who doesn't fit a specific profile is deserving of the protection of society. You don't to be assaulted? All you have to do is not advocate for genocide. That's it. It's not hard.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Yes

It's pre-emptive self defense. They'd do worse to me if they lived in your fantasy world.

I was asking the other dude - but okay.

How far should the violence you are legally allowed to carry out on a hate group member go? Everything up to death? Death? Where is your line or lines?

ScazarMeltex posted...

Advocating for such a position here tends to draw the attention of the mods. I'll go so far as to say this: no one advocating an ideology predicated on the idea of the murder or enslavement of every single person who doesn't fit a specific profile is deserving of the protection of society. You don't to be assaulted? All you have to do is not advocate for genocide. That's it. It's not hard.

Same question: Where is the line drawn?

What is the limit of violence to be enacted against a hate group member?
When does someone become eligible for this open vigilante violence?

I'm honestly just trying to gauge where people are on this, I'm kind of shocked how quickly people are to jump to violence.

Torgo posted...

Do you believe we should have the legal right to instigate a physical assault against members of hate groups that are demonstrating?

It's impossible to instigate a fight against a Nazi. Nazis are already actively trying to wipe people from existence. Biding their time until they think they've amassed enough numbers to do so is not the same as peacefully holding hateful views.

Fighting them is merely fighting back.

Torgo posted...

I was asking the other dude - but okay.

How far should the violence you are legally allowed to carry out on a hate group member go? Everything up to death? Death? Where is your line or lines?

Same question: Where is the line drawn?

What is the limit of violence to be enacted against a hate group member?
When does someone become eligible for this open vigilante violence?

I'm honestly just trying to gauge where people are on this, I'm kind of shocked how quickly people are to jump to violence.

I'm a firm believer in the golden rule.

Torgo posted...

I'm kind of shocked how quickly people are to jump to violence.

Spock is surprised that people don't like nazis?

FortuneCookie posted...

It's impossible to instigate a fight against a Nazi. Nazis are already actively trying to wipe people from existence. Biding their time until they think they've amassed enough numbers to do so is not the same as peacefully holding hateful views.

Fighting them is merely fighting back.

So kill on sight is your proposal?

Lets play: find the nazi ITT