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OudeGeuze
08/28/23 10:46:24 PM
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I stg I see dog owners try to forcibly take their dog to every space they go in and lie about their dog being a service animal. It happens at my taproom all the time and you can't say anything about it because service animal laws are so unfavorably unfair to anyone but the dog owner. You can just lie and say it's a service animal and the businesses have no choice to believe you because of how fucking tilted the scales are (almost as tilted as me making this post).

Things cat owners never do

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VampireCoyote
08/28/23 10:47:31 PM
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Around here it is so bad a lot of people bring them into stores with no leash and they are spreading fleas everywhere

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OudeGeuze
08/28/23 10:48:10 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
Around here it is so bad a lot of people bring them into stores with no leash and they are spreading fleas everywhere
Yup. We have mandatory leash laws here that nobody abides

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Questionmarktarius
08/28/23 10:48:18 PM
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OudeGeuze posted...
Things cat owners never do
No person actually owns a cat. It's the other way around.
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OudeGeuze
08/28/23 10:50:52 PM
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Also while I'm mad fuck cyclists here too. Our laws say that if you're riding a bicycle you have to treat yourself as if you're driving a car (no lane splitting, cycling on the wrong side of the road, have to be obey all traffic lights and signs). Every fucking day I see a cyclist nearly cause an accident and get pissed off at motorists for something that wouod have 100% been their fault.

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Robot2600
08/28/23 10:51:56 PM
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at the airport youll see so many "service dogs" now. usually their owner is decked out in designer clothes.

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MICHALECOLE
08/28/23 10:52:37 PM
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Im on the dogs side
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party_animal07
08/28/23 10:55:15 PM
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Can't relate to any of this.

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Lukey_Bug
08/28/23 10:56:27 PM
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OudeGeuze posted...
I stg I see dog owners try to forcibly take their dog to every space they go in and lie about their dog being a service animal. It happens at my taproom all the time and you can't say anything about it because service animal laws are so unfavorably unfair to anyone but the dog owner. You can just lie and say it's a service animal and the businesses have no choice to believe you because of how fucking tilted the scales are (almost as tilted as me making this post).

Things cat owners never do

Thats not true. You have every right to request papers that state it is a service animal. I've kicked people out for this before. Normally if the dog isnt a nuisance I don't care but if its barking or annoying other guests I tell them to get the hell out.

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Tenlaar
08/28/23 11:01:05 PM
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A couple of weeks ago a woman in front of me at UPS had an emotional support dog. She asked if I was single and said Im her type. In my head I was like you need emotional support to drop a package off at UPS, hard pass.

Dog was nice but it was an abomination of a corgi/bulldog mix with fucked up legs that never should have been bred.
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Questionmarktarius
08/28/23 11:02:03 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
Dog was nice but it was an abomination of a corgi/bulldog mix with fucked up legs that never should have been bred.
That's just corgis, tho.
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Tenlaar
08/28/23 11:04:36 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
That's just corgis, tho.
No, this wasnt normal corgi legs. Its feet were facing straight 90 degrees out from its body, like a ballet dancer doing a pli.
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OudeGeuze
08/29/23 12:16:31 AM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
You have every right to request papers that state it is a service animal
no you dont, the ADA literally says you cant do that

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xGhostchantx
08/29/23 12:19:02 AM
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Many dogs owners are absolutely insufferable. "Dog person" becomes their entire personality.

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Priere
08/29/23 12:20:06 AM
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If that thing comes around you without a leash and it starts acting funny, just call the cops and report an unleashed, aggressive dog that is causing a disruption in the store.

Service animal or not, if they are causing trouble they gotta go.

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StealThisSheen
08/29/23 12:22:43 AM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
Thats not true. You have every right to request papers that state it is a service animal. I've kicked people out for this before. Normally if the dog isnt a nuisance I don't care but if its barking or annoying other guests I tell them to get the hell out.

Uh, what you did is illegal, if you kicked people out for not showing papers.

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Compsognathus
08/29/23 12:24:30 AM
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I don't get why dogs being allowed in breweries seems to be the default.

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OudeGeuze
08/29/23 12:26:06 AM
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Compsognathus posted...
I don't get why dogs being allowed in breweries seems to be the default.
its a health code violation practically everywhere that nobody actually seems to care about

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xGhostchantx
08/29/23 12:30:27 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Uh, what you did is illegal, if you kicked people out for not showing papers.

It's not actually; it's like asking someone who doesn't have a visible parking permit while parked in a disabled parking spot if they have a disabled permit.

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cjsdowg
08/29/23 12:34:58 AM
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Because they cat wouldn't allow it. If the could would, they would.

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VampireCoyote
08/29/23 12:40:51 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Uh, what you did is illegal, if you kicked people out for not showing papers.

what are you a hall monitor?

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Questionmarktarius
08/29/23 12:41:07 AM
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There is no such thing as an "emotional support" cat. There's a bare minimum of twelve for that.
Toxoplasmosis is always involved.
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OudeGeuze
08/29/23 12:41:09 AM
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xGhostchantx posted...
It's not actually

yes it is lol, yall need to stop speaking out your ass

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/6/1/AAet7JAAEyxx.png


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Questionmarktarius
08/29/23 12:42:08 AM
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OudeGeuze posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/6/1/AAet7JAAEyxx.png
95% this
the last 5% is a horse, somehow.
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Dark_Arbron
08/29/23 12:42:32 AM
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Seems kinda silly to be illegal to request to see documentation proving that someone employing a special status actually has that status. Thus there's nothing stopping them from simply lying. Though service dogs are usually clearly marked as such (high visibility vest) and their behavior is very controlled.

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A_Good_Boy
08/29/23 12:44:47 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
There is no such thing as an "emotional support" cat. There's a bare minimum of twelve for that.
Toxoplasmosis is always involved.
An emotional support cat would turn out to be your biggest bully and trigger while gaslight you to believe it's providing support.

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Questionmarktarius
08/29/23 12:44:48 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Seems kinda silly to be illegal to request to see documentation proving that someone employing a special status actually has that status. Thus there's nothing stopping you from simply lying.
#25 is the legal baseline in the US. No paperwork needed.
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OudeGeuze
08/29/23 12:47:50 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Thus there's nothing stopping them from simply lying.
yup, thats the issue

service animal laws highly disfavor businesses for no real reason

you can just lie and businesses have to believe you until the point your dog isnt housebroken or starts a riot

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DnDer
08/29/23 12:55:35 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Seems kinda silly to be illegal to request to see documentation proving that someone employing a special status actually has that status. Thus there's nothing stopping them from simply lying. Though service dogs are usually clearly marked as such (high visibility vest) and their behavior is very controlled.

Yes, but no. Imagine if any other protected class had to provide documentation to exist in a public space. That's not a place anyone wants to go.

The good news is that you can kick people for "emotional support animals" because that's not a thing, as far as the ADA is concerned. "Service animal or get out," can be a policy of any store. But you only get two questions (as above, per Oude's screenshot) to establish that.

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ragnarokius
08/29/23 12:59:32 AM
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The whole "emotional support animal" as a service animal seems like it's overused.

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Questionmarktarius
08/29/23 1:04:44 AM
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ragnarokius posted...
The whole "emotional support animal" as a service animal seems like it's overused.
Post 25 is the end.
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xGhostchantx
08/29/23 1:50:54 AM
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OudeGeuze posted...
yes it is lol, yall need to stop speaking out your ass

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/6/1/AAet7JAAEyxx.png

wow i was genuinely under the impression it was otherwise. that's lame af, god i hate dogs and dog owners so much.

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StealThisSheen
08/29/23 1:53:25 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
what are you a hall monitor?

I'm not saying it's a good thing, I think it's dumb. It's just literally illegal.

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Torgo
08/29/23 2:04:59 AM
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I like animals, but leave them at home if you're going into indoor places for long periods of time, especially around food and people with allergies.

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Choco
08/29/23 2:26:14 AM
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party_animal07 posted...
Can't relate to any of this.


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Rotterdammerung
08/29/23 2:35:53 AM
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Dark_Arbron
08/29/23 2:36:40 AM
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You can walk a cat but theres no point. One of many reasons Cats Are Better is because they dont need to be walked.

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OudeGeuze
08/29/23 3:05:01 AM
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Cats also don't shit and piss everywhere when left unattended for longer amounts of time

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Glob
08/29/23 3:12:58 AM
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A couple of bars I go to tell other people with dogs that my dog is allowed in because hes a service dog, even though hes not and Ive never said that he is.
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Lukey_Bug
08/29/23 5:24:32 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Uh, what you did is illegal, if you kicked people out for not showing papers.

Maybe where you live. Not in NJ. It was clearly stated in our store policy we had the right to refuse service to people who brought in animals that were not certified service ones.

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skullmagic2
08/29/23 5:27:34 AM
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Emotional support animals do not have the ADA protection that service animals do. If you ask the ADA questions and they respond to the question about which service the animal provides with "emotional support," businesses may legally ask them to leave the establishment. Good luck having them not throw a fit, though.

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Lukey_Bug
08/29/23 5:35:27 AM
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skullmagic2 posted...
Emotional support animals do not have the ADA protection that service animals do. If you ask the ADA questions and they respond to the question about which service the animal provides with "emotional support," businesses may legally ask them to leave the establishment. Good luck having them not throw a fit, though.
Exactly. Like I said if the dog was non-disruptive we would let it slide. The worst was this old lady brought in her chihuahua without a leash and it wouldnt stop barking and snapping at other customers. She threw a hissy fit when I had to ask her to leave.

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Axiom
08/29/23 5:37:52 AM
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OudeGeuze posted...
Cats also don't shit and piss everywhere when left unattended for longer amounts of time
That is literally what they will do and why you have to buy a litterbox for them
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Tenlaar
08/29/23 5:47:48 AM
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Calling it discrimination to ask for proof that a dog is actually a service animal before its allowed somewhere that dogs are otherwise not is ridiculous to me. Requiring a handicap parking permit to park in a handicap space is an apt comparison that isnt considered discrimination.
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OudeGeuze
08/29/23 6:36:32 PM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
Maybe where you live. Not in NJ. It was clearly stated in our store policy we had the right to refuse service to people who brought in animals that were not certified service ones.
It's federally illegal dude lol. You're right that you can refuse non service animals but you can't ask for papers. It's illegal to do that in all 50 states

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Glob
08/29/23 6:39:03 PM
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OudeGeuze posted...
It's federally illegal dude lol

Are you trying to tell me that federal laws are somehow more important than a store policy?
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codey
08/29/23 6:42:42 PM
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Glob posted...
Are you trying to tell me that federal laws are somehow more important than a store policy?
Whoa get outta town!

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StealThisSheen
08/29/23 8:57:25 PM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
Maybe where you live. Not in NJ. It was clearly stated in our store policy we had the right to refuse service to people who brought in animals that were not certified service ones.

It's a federal law. You are not allowed to ask to see papers, period. Your store policy likely means that if you have another way to find out they're not service animals, such as if you ask and they tell you, but you cannot demand they prove it with documentation.

You may ask:
Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability?
What work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
You are not allowed to:
Request any documentation that the dog is registered, licensed, or certified as a service animal
Require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the persons disability


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