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JoCrazy
08/09/23 7:28:54 PM
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Mandela Effect, when a bunch of people remember something happening that didnt. Nelson Mandela dying in prison and his wife becoming President of South Africa is what a bunch of people remember.

I think about those stories plus people gettin dj vu. Could they be examples of possible our reality crossing into another? In another universe Mandela died in prison and that got into some peoples memories here somehow?

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MICHALECOLE
08/09/23 7:29:40 PM
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I personally dont even think Nelson Mandela even existed
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AceMos
08/09/23 7:31:03 PM
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no if this was really ppl slipping into alt universes we would have cases of large groups of ppl thinking some big major thing was different


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UnsteadyOwl
08/09/23 7:31:55 PM
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Probably not even though I could swear when I was a kid I was told Nelson Mandela died in prison and it was spelled Berenstein Bears.

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ForsakenHermit
08/09/23 7:32:22 PM
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No because I've experienced false memories that I've recognized the same day.

Namely in the Sopranos where A.J. says "...no fucking ziti now? I instantly remembered it was a little kid yelling it way louder.

I think the Mandela effect is just powerful moments that get captured into false memories.

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Ratchetrockon
08/09/23 7:32:50 PM
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Yeah that make sense to me

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Skankhair
08/09/23 7:33:21 PM
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People just have bad memory and misremember stuff. Thats all it is.
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MrMallard
08/09/23 7:49:39 PM
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At best, I think the Mandela Effect is a fancy way of trying to legitimise ignorance, made in good faith but having a negative effect. Like hey, here's a thought experiment, a room full of people didn't know that Nelson Mandela was the president of South Africa - were they simply misinformed/subject to a fit of group hysteria, or did they come from an alternate fucking universe where their version of reality was actually true? Let's give both options equal weight and explore the metaphysics that would render the latter interpretation possible.

At worst, I think the Mandela Effect is a deliberate move to destabilise truth and facts in favour of pushing misinformation and "alternative facts". The Berenstain Bears thing was an internet trend and a real social thing where people genuinely thought it was pronounced Berenstein. It happens. People later claiming that the Mandela Effect was actually always called the MANDALA Effect and redefining what it means is a blatant attempt to manipulate the truth.

Consider the mental gymnastics you've seen from Trumpers and qanon supporters and TERFs and shit, the way they willingly bend the truth to serve a version of reality that makes them a good guy fighting some latent evil because they "connected the dots" right, even if what they're saying is patently untrue or doesn't make sense. I think that has roots in the Mandela Effect.

It's an anti-intellectual viewpoint that legitimises ignorance and encourages conspiratorial thinking, no matter how ridiculous the outcome is - like coming from an alternate universe where a Nobel Prize winner whose struggle helped to end apartheid actually died in prison, and his lasting legacy was mostly posthumous. It's okay to have been misinformed of the truth - it happens every day. But instead of going "well fuck, that's news to me, I suppose I had it all wrong from the start" and researching fucking history, people decided to turn it into a thought exercise where they were from another reality where they were, in fact, right all along. It's a massive crock of shit.
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JoCrazy
08/09/23 7:49:43 PM
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Skankhair posted...
People just have bad memory and misremember stuff. Thats all it is.

A bunch of people remember the Sam thing though?


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AnsestralRecall
08/09/23 7:51:51 PM
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no
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Hayame_Zero
08/09/23 7:55:17 PM
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No, because every one I've seen is easily explainable.

The reason people think the Monopoly guy had a monocle is because it's associated with the other industrial businessman caricature items he has.

The reason people think it's Berenstein is because the surname "Stein" is more common and recognizable.

The reason people think Sinbad was in a genie movie called Shazaam is because his name stage name sounds like something associated with Arabian Nights...also from racists who mistake it for Kazaam.

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Serious_Cat
08/09/23 7:56:29 PM
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JoCrazy posted...
A bunch of people remember the Sam thing though?
Is that the one where a bunch of people who haven't seen Casablanca think Bogart says "Play it again, Sam?"

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DrizztLink
08/09/23 7:57:01 PM
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"could I be remembering this incorrectly"

"no, it is the universe that is wrong "

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AceMos
08/09/23 7:57:11 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
The reason people think the Monopoly guy had a monocle is because it's associated with the other industrial businessman caricature items he has.
wait what *googles* well ill be damned

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Jx1010
08/09/23 7:57:27 PM
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Theres proof for this, people who deny it just cant accept reality

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AceMos
08/09/23 7:58:15 PM
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Jx1010 posted...
Theres proof for this,
ok show this proof

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Gobstoppers12
08/09/23 7:58:31 PM
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The Mandela Effect is just humanity trying to gaslight itself.

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Skankhair
08/09/23 7:59:16 PM
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JoCrazy posted...
A bunch of people remember the Sam thing though?

And? Lots of people are wrong. So what?
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ForsakenHermit
08/09/23 7:59:58 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
No, because every one I've seen is easily explainable.

The reason people think the Monopoly guy had a monocle is because it's associated with the other industrial businessman caricature items he has.

The reason people think it's Berenstein is because the surname "Stein" is more common and recognizable.

The reason people think Sinbad was in a genie movie called Shazaam is because his name stage name sounds like something associated with Arabian Nights...also from racists who mistake it for Kazaam.
What's your explanation for the Vader reveal in ESB?

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Euripides
08/09/23 8:00:25 PM
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They are just conflating the monopoly guy with Mr Peanut

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Skankhair
08/09/23 8:01:36 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
What's your explanation for the Vader reveal in ESB.

Because the line out of context no, I am your father is generic and you need to add the Luke to give it context. So it got repeated this way a lot in casual conversation and other media.
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Atralis
08/09/23 8:02:35 PM
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I think it comes from people having a tendency to misremember things in similar ways.

Think about Mandela. He peaked in the consciousness of most Americans in the 80's when he was in prison so in the minds of someone that doesn't really follow the world news or politics that's where he remained.

The same people that believe that Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 80's also can't tell you when the Berlin wall fell, or what the Berlin wall was, or what the cold war was about. Hell they can't tell you much about anything related to history. But they are sure about this thing.

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Gobstoppers12
08/09/23 8:03:10 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
What's your explanation for the Vader reveal in ESB?
Because he says Luke a bunch of times in other lines, and people add context in their brains to make the quote make sense in isolation.

So... "No...I am your father..."

Becomes either: "No, Luke. I am your father." Or just "Luke...I am your father."

That's literally all it is.

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Gobstoppers12
08/09/23 8:04:46 PM
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Euripides posted...
They are just conflating the monopoly guy with Mr Peanut
Ace Ventura didn't help matters either:

https://youtu.be/Cj1wcs7SZj0

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Jx1010
08/09/23 8:05:37 PM
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AceMos posted...
ok show this proof
Only to people that are nice

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ForsakenHermit
08/09/23 8:05:42 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Because he says Luke a bunch of times in other lines, and people add context in their brains to make the quote make sense in isolation.

So... "No...I am your father..."

Becomes either: "No, Luke. I am your father." Or just "Luke...I am your father."

That's literally all it is.
Why does it go from x to y is the question I'm asking? I get the how.

Edit-sorry didn't see the top paragraph.

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Anteaterking
08/09/23 8:05:49 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
No, because every one I've seen is easily explainable.

The reason people think the Monopoly guy had a monocle is because it's associated with the other industrial businessman caricature items he has.

The reason people think it's Berenstein is because the surname "Stein" is more common and recognizable.

The reason people think Sinbad was in a genie movie called Shazaam is because his name stage name sounds like something associated with Arabian Nights...also from racists who mistake it for Kazaam.

Yeah, this. If the Mandela effect was real, you would expect to see more examples where the parallel reality is orthogonal to "easily explained misconception".

Like "I remember Martha Stewart dying in prison".


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Gobstoppers12
08/09/23 8:06:02 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
Why does it go from x to y is the question I'm asking? I get the how.
It doesn't. It's been the same forever.

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Skankhair
08/09/23 11:19:37 PM
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Jx1010 posted...
Theres proof for this, people who deny it just cant accept reality

Do you enjoy falling for stupid bullshit or is it a rightfully painful burden?
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MICHALECOLE
08/09/23 11:21:45 PM
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Can we talk about the racists who mistake it for kazaam
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ArchNemo
08/09/23 11:25:36 PM
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It's weird, but I don't think it's parallel universes. It is kind of funny how many people can misremember the exact same thing though. Berenstain/stein in a lot of ways makes sense because stein is a much more common thing to see as a surname.

One of the less obvious ones I've seen people bring up is old Disney movies where Tinkerbell flies around the Disney logo then dots the "i" with her dust, which apparently never existed.

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Dark_Arbron
08/09/23 11:30:31 PM
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ArchNemo posted...
It's weird, but I don't think it's parallel universes. It is kind of funny how many people can misremember the exact same thing though. Berenstain/stein in a lot of ways makes sense because stein is a much more common thing to see as a surname.

One of the less obvious ones I've seen people bring up is old Disney movies where Tinkerbell flies around the Disney logo then dots the "i" with her dust, which apparently never existed.

I wonder if in some cases it's also a matter of something being so obvious to us (in hindsight) that we assume it must have happened. I didn't even know about this Tinkerbell dotting the "i" thing, but just reading it made me almost invent a memory of it. Because it would've been a nice touch.

Remember Dolly? Jaws' girlfriend in Moonraker? She never had braces. Lots of people remember her as having braces because it would've been a damn good joke. It's almost like we're retroactively correcting a mistake via false memory.

As for Mandela himself, well... that might be different.

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bfslick50
08/09/23 11:33:49 PM
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The Star Wars one is definitely because of Tommy Boy. Chris Farley in a highly watched, highly memorable, highly quoted movie says, "Luke, I am your father." It used to be really inconveinent to look up a movie quote, so you would just assume modern popular culture reference is saying it correctly because you don't actually remember. "Yea that sounds right" and then bam that's the memory. Your memory of the recent pop cultural reference edits the older memory because human memory is actually kind of sucky and nothing like a computer memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3lFHkU_s

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ArchNemo
08/10/23 12:07:13 AM
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bfslick50 posted...
The Star Wars one is definitely because of Tommy Boy. Chris Farley in a highly watched, highly memorable, highly quoted movie says, "Luke, I am your father." It used to be really inconveinent to look up a movie quote, so you would just assume modern popular culture reference is saying it correctly because you don't actually remember. "Yea that sounds right" and then bam that's the memory. Your memory of the recent pop cultural reference edits the older memory because human memory is actually kind of sucky and nothing like a computer memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3lFHkU_s

I think the fact that the quote is wrong in Tommy Boy is because it was already known as "Luke, I am your father" through cultural osmosis, not the other way around. I like Tommy Boy but the movie wasn't that popular.

I think the quote changing has more to do with the fact that "No, I am your father" doesn't have the same punch without being part of the whole dialogue. "Luke, I am your father" sums up the whole scene in one punchy quote.

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hockeybub89
08/10/23 12:08:48 AM
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Skankhair posted...
People just have bad memory and misremember stuff. Thats all it is.


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ZMythos
08/10/23 12:10:46 AM
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That goddamn Mandela trying to confuse us all with his multidimensional moon beams. Why I remember when it was Bearenstein Beers and the daddy came home every night drunk and beat the shit out of that mama bear because he was working a dead end job and they were living paycheck to paycheck. Now Mandela made it all woke in this universe and they teach lessons about responsibility and fairness and understanding. DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

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wanderingshade
08/10/23 12:16:33 AM
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JoCrazy posted...
A bunch of people remember the Sam thing though?

A bunch of people "think" The Queen in Snow White says "Mirror, Mirror on the wall."

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Dark_Arbron
08/10/23 12:21:35 AM
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Anyone remember that user on 261 who swore they remembered Nixon was a Democrat and chalked it up to the Mandela effect?

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Torgo
08/10/23 12:21:50 AM
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Nope.

Most Mandela effects can be described by simple psychology and understanding culture.

One of the most famous: The end of Empire Strikes Back where Darth Vader says: "I am your father" and not "Luke, I am your father"...

Super simple explanation:

For many years Star Wars films were not readily available to own or view and TV stations would rarely play big blockbusters like they regularly now, it was an event! - But on top of that the phrase "I am your father" is just too vague on it's own. So adding "Luke, I am your father" made it immediately recognizable as the dynamic from the Empire twist.

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Chrknu
08/10/23 12:42:06 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
I personally dont even think Nelson Mandela even existed

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/7/AAfDdOAAEvV3.jpg

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cjsdowg
08/10/23 12:53:14 AM
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The Mandela Effect is faulty on its face. Why would many Americans even know about Mandela if he died in jail. You lot are not really one to care about the freedom fighters from Africa.


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indica
08/10/23 12:55:39 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
The Mandela Effect is faulty on its face. Why would many Americans even know about Mandela if he died in jail. You lot are not really one to care about the freedom fighters from Africa.
Are you having a bad day?

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DarkBuster22904
08/10/23 12:58:21 AM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
The reason people think the Monopoly guy had a monocle is because it's associated with the other industrial businessman caricature items he has
Plus I feel like the scene in Ace Ventura 2 helped solidify it, culturally. Had a monocle, there.

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cjsdowg
08/10/23 12:58:28 AM
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indica posted...
Are you having a bad day?

I am really having a bad day, thanks for asking. But even on good day I think that stands.

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Foppe
08/10/23 1:02:52 AM
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Torgo posted...
For many years Star Wars films were not readily available to own or view and TV stations would rarely play big blockbusters like they regularly now, it was an event! - But on top of that the phrase "I am your father" is just too vague on it's own. So adding "Luke, I am your father" made it immediately recognizable as the dynamic from the Empire twist.
When was that?
CBS/FOX released Star Wars: Episode V The Empire Strikes Back on VHS, Betamax, LaserDisc, CED VideoDisc, and V2000 tape cassettes in November 1984.

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ai123
08/10/23 1:28:35 AM
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Please explain how this information from separate, but almost identical, universes can somehow 'bleed' into ours.

And how the most plausible explanation for false memory isn't, say, people getting confused (mistaking Mandela for Steve Biko), but some mysterious leak from otherwise inaccessible universes.

I'm not necessarily opposed to Many Worlds theories, but this isn't proof of their existence. It's an indication of how unreliable memory can be, and how easily false notions can spread to suggestible humans.

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2001mark
08/10/23 1:37:37 AM
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Apples & oranges - our memories eventually become memories of our memories... thereby, inevitably, skewing our perceptions of past circumstance.
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Booglee
08/10/23 1:45:18 AM
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No. People have bad memories. The end
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OriginalPlain2
08/10/23 1:54:15 AM
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I dont quite believe in multiverses
and Mandela effect is only a theory
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DeadBankerDream
08/10/23 1:55:41 AM
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The Mandela Effect is most accurately described as narcissists having a poor memory.

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