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Westernwolf4 posted...

This. I am as big of an MCU fan/apologist as you will find, but this was not good. I enjoyed some moments from each series, but none has been truly great with the exception of Wanda Vision. Secret Invasion was just bad.

same the MCU overall is something i deeply enjoy im not burnt out at all

but this show was just bad from start to finish

as ive said it is 100% pointless it dont add anything to the narrative ive been following all this time

it dont even set up future plot points

it did not even have a post credits scene

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they should have never done the event at all as it dont fit the MCU take on the skrulls

and a good plot for a fury focused story would be him putting an end to hydra (as that plot line still kinda exists but is unlikely to ever be the focus of a big story)

ya know there are other shape shifting species in marvel

they could have brought those in and have it be fury knows the skrull are innocent but the governments are skeptical and planning something bad so its a race against the clock to prove their innocence

hell could end things with the skrull exposed to the general public

and for now things are ok because they have gotten use to bizare shit

but note paranoid can build slowly

thus you have an option for later stories

or decide naw humans just except skrulls

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Until a few weeks ago I thought Secret Invasion was the introductory chapter for Secret War. That the show would kick things off and then climax in the movie.

Then I learned Secret War is a totally different thing, and the show ran out of steam anyway. A literal hidden worldwide alien invasion was thwarted by 1 guy and 2 helpers. The scale this show should've had could've shaken the entire MCU and had long lasting effects.

But now I'm just left to wonder why Gaia doesn't become entangled in The Marvels.

Idk, I don't mind Secret Invasion being a spy thriller/government conspiracy type thing, but I feel like this show should have been the setup for the "real" Secret Invasion.

Instead of the show just starting off with Gravik being a terrorist, it should have shown the rising tension between Nick Fury and the Skrulls, and the finale should have been the formation of Gravik's Skrull terrorist group. Then every subsequent MCU project would have the lingering question of who is or who isn't a Skrull.

Given the implications of having a shape-shifting alien species on Earth who are hellbent on taking it over, that storyline just feels neutered by the smaller-scale scope of the MCU shows (not including Loki).

Also, count me in as someone who's starting to dislike the trend of unnecessary CGI fights in the finales for these shows, especially when the characters have the exact same powers. The best "fight" that's been in any of these shows is still Vision beating White Vision with the power of philosophy.

Also, the one interesting thing this show could have done was answer the question of exactly how long Rhodey was in a coma, because it's kind of a big deal if he wasn't around for Endgame.

I'm guessing we can go based off of the last time we saw Rhodey with leg braces, but that's just pure speculation.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Idk, I don't mind Secret Invasion being a spy thriller/government conspiracy type thing, but I feel like this show should have been the setup for the "real" Secret Invasion.

Instead of the show just starting off with Gravik being a terrorist, it should have shown the rising tension between Nick Fury and the Skrulls, and the finale should have been the formation of Gravik's Skrull terrorist group. Then every subsequent MCU project would have the lingering question of who is or who isn't a Skrull.

Given the implications of having a shape-shifting alien species on Earth who are hellbent on taking it over, that storyline just feels neutered by the smaller-scale scope of the MCU shows (not including Loki).

Also, count me in as someone who's starting to dislike the trend of unnecessary CGI fights in the finales for these shows, especially when the characters have the exact same powers. The best "fight" that's been in any of these shows is still Visionbeating White Vision with the power of philosophy.

The funny part is they made fun of it in she hulk and did it again right after

bleh

i think it was a solid enough show compared to the rest, but the bar is so fucking low

i think hawkeye is my favorite by far. secret invasion is somewhere in the middle with everything else

Blue_Popo posted...

M-She-U bro

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or being for real but I think you are right.

Hell Fury is a wuss after this, and like the other poster said Gravik should have won. That has been something else that was bothering me.

cjsdowg posted...

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or being for real but I think you are right.

Hell Fury is a wuss after this, and like the other poster said Gravik should have won. That has been something else that was bothering me.

The sad part is im not sure if i have sarcastic or real and i fucking hate that word

The Gravik scene when he was yelling at (Fury) about him not holding up his end of the deal was actually excellent

But aside from that this finale sucked

KlRBEH posted...

The Gravik scene when he was yelling at (Fury) about him not holding up his end of the deal was actually excellent

But aside from that this finale sucked

Yes but he was yelling at gi-ah then he got beat up by gi-ah because m-she-u

Blue_Popo posted...

The sad part is im not sure if i have sarcastic or real and i fucking hate that word

Then stop using it.

TheSavageDragon posted...

Then stop using it.

It applies here

Blue_Popo posted...

It applies here

How? If you're going to repeat meaningless buzzwords, back it up with an actual opinion. Is it because she got the big CGI fight and the kill?

TheSavageDragon posted...

How? If you're going to repeat meaningless buzzwords, back it up with an actual opinion. Is it because she got the big CGI fight and the kill?

Her big plan was hope she walks into the reactor at the right time and win using powers shes never had and she did so fairly easily

it would have been even stupider if fury had killed gravik

i agree it makes no sense how he died so easy

but lets not go ranting about women in fiction here

it was just a stupid plot point in a bad final

AceMos posted...

it would have been even stupider if fury had killed gravik

i agree it makes no sense how he died so easy

but lets not go ranting about women in fiction here

it was just a stupid plot point in a bad final

Im not, ive watched 40 plus mcu movies and have had no issues with what women accomplished...maybe kate bishop beating up legions of thugs

This was bad

Blue_Popo posted...

Her big plan was hope she walks into the reactor at the right time and win using powers shes never had and she did so fairly easily

Ace's response is on point.

cjsdowg posted...

like the other poster said Gravik should have won

I did not say "Gravik should have won". I said there was no reason given as to why Giah won.

Like usually when you've have these kinds of battles in a story there's a narrative reason why the winner wins.

Maybe the winner overpowers.
Maybe the winner is smarter.
Maybe the winner is emotionally in a place to win the fight.
Maybe the winner was trying to sacrifice themselves and thus had less to lose.

I just think none of that was present in the fight between Giah and Gravik. She just won because she won. On a completely even power match.

Blue_Popo posted...

Im not, ive watched 40 plus mcu movies and have had no issues with what women accomplished...maybe kate bishop beating up legions of thugs

This was bad

so just call it bad dont use a stupid buzz word like that

as that is the slipper slope down that path

CyricZ posted...

I did not say "Gravik should have won". I said there was no reason given as to why Giah won.

Forgive me for mispresenting your stance.

Fury: "i cant call in the avengers, its personal"

Also fury: "khaleesi go be me and then use this to become god"

Blue_Popo posted...

Her big plan was hope she walks into the reactor at the right time and win using powers shes never had and she did so fairly easily

They should have at least been struggling to use the powers properly. That could've given her an opportunity to nail him if he tried a big attack and whiffed it and she counterattacked with a smaller more focused one or something.

As it is, they basically both mastered all the skills and abilities instantly. Which I guess you could say is due to Skrulls adapting their DNA and bodies to match others anyway, but the whole thing felt pretty silly. She just kind of outmatched him entirely for no real reason.

they could have made it so carols powers cant be replicated for long and he burnt his out more but gaia saved hers knowing this ahead of time

AceMos posted...

they could have made it so carols powers cant be replicated for long and he burnt his out more but gaia saved hers knowing this ahead of time

That would've been a good one. In the trailer for The Marvels, they say Carol absorbs light. They could've both been charged by the machine then spend it during the fight. Fury could've warned her in advance so he'd burn out early.

I think this show was the final nail in the coffin for me

All these Disney+ shows have been BASURA, I'm letting my super discounted year run out and not re-subbing

Northlane posted...

I think this show was the final nail in the coffin for me

All these Disney+ shows have been BASURA, I'm letting my super discounted year run out and not re-subbing

For me personally, they are getting worse. I gave the benefit of the doubt to early disney mcu shows. Theyve had 2 years now and thr same flaws exist

The show hated Furys character. Sonya outshined him as Nick Fury in every way. He was shown as a fearful, inept, and reliant person. He could not handle his responsibilities, he was deceived by a infiltrator for a long time, and he neglected his family. He only rose to prominence because of others help, he never admitted his faults, he let his best friend get killed, hell after typing that I just noticed he let his other best friend get killed too. He betrayed the avengers trust. He was always out of his depth. He ignored the presidents plan to commit mass murder and fled the planet without a care.

And another thing. The Rhody we knew and loved might have been a fake. And the Skrull who took his place. She actually went with the Avengers and found a new home for there kind. A peaceful world where Thanos was farming fruit , and said oh well let's not go here lets live on in this bomb silo.

Fuck this show.

cjsdowg posted...

The show hated Furys character. Sonya outshined him as Nick Fury in every way. He was shown as a fearful, inept, and reliant person. He could not handle his responsibilities, he was deceived by a infiltrator for a long time, and he neglected his family. He only rose to prominence because of others help, he never admitted his faults, he let his best friend get killed, hell after typing that I just noticed he let his other best friend get killed too. He betrayed the avengers trust. He was always out of his depth. He ignored the presidents plan to commit mass murder and fled the planet without a care.

And another thing. The Rhody we knew and loved might have been a fake. And the Skrull who took his place. She actually went with the Avengers and found a new home for there kind. A peaceful world where Thanos was farming fruit , and said oh well let's not go here lets live on in this bomb silo.

Fuck this show.

Yup all of this. Agreed 100%

I spent the whole show waiting for this big flip where Fury had actually planned something.

Instead it just wasted two pretty big side characters.

Shat all over Fury.

Potentially ruined Rhodey and Ross characters and plots.

Setup the stupidest Skrull plot imaginable (you couldnt even figure out Rhodey was a Skrull when Sonya and Fury were telling you President. How the f*** are you going to figure out whos a Skrull.

and if thats the plot going into Captain America 4 thats even worse.

seriously its like at every decision point for this show they asked what is the dumbest idea we could do

Yeah, I was definitely hoping for better with this show.

Did the two of them get a split portion of the powers or was Gravik just shit at using them?

Overall, not a great series. I can appreciate a serious spy thriller as much as the next person, but the MCU has been a round circle of jokes (even the first 2 Thor movies, despite being serious had their comedic elements), Secret Invasion was the serious square peg in all this. It just didn't fit.

Wow what a garbage finale of an absolute garbage series. I feel sorry for Sam Jackson. He had to carry this shit show and for what? We will never hear about it or the characters aside from Nick Fury ever again.

The more I think about this show, the more I feel like its story is told completely backwards.

Like, shouldn't Skrulls being targeted by the U.S. government and hunted down by vigilantes be the event that causes their radicalization and not be the result of their radicalization?

As it is now, the Skrulls sort of just decided one day they were tired of waiting on Nick Fury and now want to take over the planet and exterminate humanity with no real provocation. Gravik has already gone completely off the rails before the story has even begun and the only thing we're left to think is that he's just inherently crazy and violent, which takes basically all of the nuance out of this story.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The more I think about this show, the more I feel like its story is told completely backwards.

Like, shouldn't Skrulls being targeted by the U.S. government and hunted down by vigilantes be the event that causes their radicalization and not be the result of their radicalization?

As it is now, the Skrulls sort of just decided one day they were tired of waiting on Nick Fury and now want to take over the planet and exterminate humanity with no real provocation. Gravik has already gone completely off the rails before the story has even begun and the only thing we're left to think is that he's just inherently crazy and violent, which takes basically all of the nuance out of this story.

Nah they are radicalised cause umm. Fury went to space?

Xerun posted...

Nah they are radicalised cause umm. Fury went to space?

And at the end of the series....Fury goes to space again and now the Skrulls are actively being hunted, which will probably cause them to radicalize again. Lol.

It's almost like the whole show might as well have not even happened.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And at the end of the series....Fury goes to space again and now the Skrulls are actively being hunted, which will probably cause them to radicalize again. Lol.

It's almost like the whole show might as well have not even happened.

Yeah, it set them back to being unwelcome on any planet and NEEDING to hide to survive. The only thing this accomplished was undoing pretty much everything Fury has done since the start.

Blue_Popo posted...

Pretty much

You know what, I think even Kamen Rider Kabuto did Secret Invasion better as well and even predates the comics

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And at the end of the series....Fury goes to space again and now the Skrulls are actively being hunted, which will probably cause them to radicalize again. Lol.

It's almost like the whole show might as well have not even happened.

Yeah thats the most insane thing.

the whole reason Fury got involved was to save the Skrulls and now there is a huge hunt killing Skrulls and humans alike and Fury calls the President and says dont be bad. Youll get fired maybe and then jets

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

As it is now, the Skrulls sort of just decided one day they were tired of waiting on Nick Fury and now want to take over the planet and exterminate humanity with no real provocation. Gravik has already gone completely off the rails before the story has even begun and the only thing we're left to think is that he's just inherently crazy and violent, which takes basically all of the nuance out of this story.

hell before this show as far as we knew things where going fine for the skrulls

Xerun posted...

and if thats the plot going into Captain America 4 thats even worse.

Shit was originally called New World Order for a reason, you better believe this trash will be going into the plot of Cap 4.

WellKnownNomad posted...

You know what, I think even Kamen Rider Kabuto did Secret Invasion better as well and even predates the comics

+1 for the Kamen Rider reference.

Real rhodey storyline

Colonel
Plastic surgery
Takes war machine armor from friend
Boom you lookin for this
Shot down by friendly fire
Captured and skrulled

God this is tragic

You know, I didn't think it was that bad at first, just mediocre, but the more I think about it...god, it was really bad.

I think the worst was that scene with Rhodey. Sonya already knows that you can shoot a Skrull in a non-lethal area and they'll turn green, why did she stand there and let Fury try and talk his way out of the situation?

Agents of SHIELD actually did a similar storyline on a fraction of the budget and it was fucking riveting television. One of the best seasons of TV I've ever seen. And with the full force of Disney, they did...this.