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Still unsure how i feel about episodes 1-5, 6 please dont let me down

I really disliked that. Felt entirely too predictable and then was a huge wtf at the entire ending.

I thought for sure Ritson was Gravik. Instead nah hes just f***ing stupid. And Talos and Marias deaths were completely meaningless and just shock value deaths to give the series some measure of credibility

Sounds like another MCU show alright

This may actually be the worst thing the mcu made

Im not fully there because hulk movie is boring af but god marvel. Wtf

The cgi in the fight was decent but really? Giah? Beats gravik? What a sorry way for a decent villain to go.

This was definitely the worst of the MCU series. It had an interesting concept, but they did a poor job on executing for this show.

Gamingsince1989 posted...

This was definitely the worst of the MCU series. It had an interesting concept, but they did a poor job on executing for this show.

I havent watched the final episode yet but I dont know what youre smoking.

So far its been the only one of the shows Ive watched that wasnt so incredibly awful that Im surprised it ever saw the light of day.

Gamingsince1989 posted...

This was definitely the worst of the MCU series. It had an interesting concept, but they did a poor job on executing for this show.

Im here thinking it may be the worst of all of the mcu (all movies, specials, tv shows)

I never agreed with the phase 4 hate and thought it was overblown.

Phase 5 is 2 stinkers and 1 banger. Guardians 3 is saving this phase. Need loki season 2 to deliver, this one really let me down

Glob posted...

I havent watched the final episode yet but I dont know what youre smoking.

Secret Invasion has the worst ratings for any MCU series so far for a reason. Most people just don't find it to be very good. If you didn't like any of the other series like WandaVision, Loki etc that sounds more like a you problem than anything.

gravik was killed WAY to easy for all the powers he had

also uh where did gaia get the ice blade thing whos powers was that

yea over all this felt like the weakest entry in the MCU for me

a obvious way to expose rhody skrull that no one thought of

the real rhody has robotic legs

i kept saying as i watched it tell him to pull up his pants leg

also uh shouldnt all the humans rescued be getting sick from radiation at the end

hell they are super lucky graik activated the machine with gaia inside of it

the more i think about it the more nonsensical this final is

hell it seemed they really wanted a 2nd season for this show for some reason with the dun dun dun reveal of more hidden skrulls

every other plus show love it or hate it had a reason to exist but this one i legit cant think of why it exists

its just going to be a mill stone going forward as they now have a super ultra powerful god being on earth who has every ones powers

Gamingsince1989 posted...

Secret Invasion has the worst ratings for any MCU series so far for a reason. Most people just don't find it to be very good. If you didn't like any of the other series like WandaVision, Loki etc that sounds more like a you problem than anything.

Nah, the problem is theyve all been shit. But the MCU has been largely pretty awful since endgame (except for Guardians) so the earlier shows were surviving on a bit of goodwill and novelty that has more or less disappeared now.

AceMos posted...

gravik was killed WAY to easy for all the powers he had

also uh where did gaia get the ice blade thing whos powers was that

yea over all this felt like the weakest entry in the MCU for me

a obvious way to expose rhody skrull that no one thought of

the real rhody has robotic legs

i kept saying as i watched it tell him to pull up his pants leg

also uh shouldnt all the humans rescued be getting sick from radiation at the end

hell they are super lucky graik activated the machine with gaia inside of it

the more i think about it the more nonsensical this final is

hell it seemed they really wanted a 2nd season for this show for some reason with the dun dun dun reveal of more hidden skrulls

every other plus show love it or hate it had a reason to exist but this one i legit cant think of why it exists

its just going to be a mill stone going forward as they now have a super ultra powerful god being on earth who has every ones powers

Agreed with everything. Thr ice blade must come from the frost beast which we never even saw use powers

I was thoroughly bored for the entire duration and most of all during the big CGI fight.

I wonder why Marvel just can't seem to be consistent with these TV shows. They were very hit and miss with Netflix too.

It's a bit nuts to me that MCU doesn't have a Mandalorian equivalent? I think that show is overrated but at least it's meaty, regular and reliable.

It's like these shows are designed to be 4-6 hours of MCU content instead of a TV show that can stand on its own. Seriously considering the god damn Flash lasted a decade on a CW budget this shouldn't be that hard. I think they're oddly limited by their insistence on making these shows have the same CGI focus as the movies.

It's also weird there doesn't seem to be an animated series outside of What If?

Seriously I don't know why they're overthinking this so much. A superhero show should be simple. We grew up on Spider-Man, Batman and X-Men cartoons.

I can't believe that Echo is the next new TV show. I just don't get the logic.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I can't believe that Echo is the next new TV show. I just don't get the logic.

the next show is loki season 2

oh also this show did not even have a post credit scene furhter cementing my statement that this show has no reason to exist

The reason this show exists was to make the most powerful superhero ever. Gaia is now Captain Marvel but with nearly every other superpower in the MCU. Kang got beat by Antman one on one now we just have to forget Gaia exists for the rest of the MCU. I didn't get a good look but did the harvest say they even had Thanos DNA?

It didn't really stick the landing and was very predictable, but I still think this is the best Disney+ MCU show overall. Gravik as a villain was weak, but that's become the norm for the MCU.

oh, wow, that was disappointing.

i'm usually an easy sell on stuff like this, but... i just don't get this one.

Boring.

EDIT: Y'know with all those powers combined, you'd think one of them would have used Drax's invisibility powers.

What a weird finale lol. How did Gravik die so easily? WTF.

So many questions.

Vortex_of_Hope posted...

they even had Thanos DNA?

Yes, Gravik had some feature's of Thanos on his face.

HornyLevel posted...

Yes, Gravik had some feature's of Thanos on his face.

If you're referring to the chin, Skrulls always have that.

TheSavageDragon posted...

If you're referring to the chin, Skrulls always have that.

Yeah, but Gravik and Super Gravik don't have the same. Super Gravik clearly has Thanos' chin.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/7/AAW_B8AAEsg7.jpg

This is regular Gravik btw

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/9/AAW_B8AAEsg9.jpg

Punished_Blinx posted...

I wonder why Marvel just can't seem to be consistent with these TV shows. They were very hit and miss with Netflix too.

It's a bit nuts to me that MCU doesn't have a Mandalorian equivalent? I think that show is overrated but at least it's meaty, regular and reliable.

It's like these shows are designed to be 4-6 hours of MCU content instead of a TV show that can stand on its own. Seriously considering the god damn Flash lasted a decade on a CW budget this shouldn't be that hard. I think they're oddly limited by their insistence on making these shows have the same CGI focus as the movies.

It's also weird there doesn't seem to be an animated series outside of What If?

Seriously I don't know why they're overthinking this so much. A superhero show should be simple. We grew up on Spider-Man, Batman and X-Men cartoons.

I can't believe that Echo is the next new TV show. I just don't get the logic.

Its probably because every show has different writers/showrunners.

I too dont understand why they cant put out 1 meaty show. Thid show had a budget per episode higher than house of the dragon/last of us but all thry have to show is 6 episodes of 30ish minutes with no where near the acting, writing or visuals.

Tbh i dont think animated works in mcu. Make a seperate animated universe if need be

Gamingsince1989 posted...

Secret Invasion has the worst ratings for any MCU series

This isn't actually true.

lolife67 posted...

This isn't actually true.

Reviews yes

Views no

Punished_Blinx posted...

I wonder why Marvel just can't seem to be consistent with these TV shows. They were very hit and miss with Netflix too.

It's a bit nuts to me that MCU doesn't have a Mandalorian equivalent? I think that show is overrated but at least it's meaty, regular and reliable.

It's like these shows are designed to be 4-6 hours of MCU content instead of a TV show that can stand on its own. Seriously considering the god damn Flash lasted a decade on a CW budget this shouldn't be that hard. I think they're oddly limited by their insistence on making these shows have the same CGI focus as the movies.

It's also weird there doesn't seem to be an animated series outside of What If?

Seriously I don't know why they're overthinking this so much. A superhero show should be simple. We grew up on Spider-Man, Batman and X-Men cartoons.

I can't believe that Echo is the next new TV show. I just don't get the logic.

In all honesty, that show will probably end up being Daredevil: Born Again. It's 18 episodes and it's split up into 2 or 3 different story arcs, so it'll actually feel like a proper show and not a 4-hour movie segmented into 6 episodes.

That's probably been the biggest issue with most of these shows. They don't really take advantage of the TV format to expand on their ideas and with every single one of these shows, the last two episodes always ends up feeling like a typical MCU 3rd act instead of the finale to a TV show.

I would say She-Hulk and WandaVision have felt like the only exceptions so far.

Just finished it, yeah that was bad. The concept had so much potential, but didn't come anywhere close to living up to it. If it was a movie it probably would have been good. The only good thing to come out of the show was Sonya.

Also, they didn't need to be paying Emila Clarke money for that role. Could have been a talented no name actor and it would have been just fine.

justaguy3492 posted...

Just finished it, yeah that was bad. The concept had so much potential, but didn't come anywhere close to living up to it. If it was a movie it probably would have been good. The only good thing to come out of the show was Sonya.

Also, they didn't need to be paying Emila Clarke money for that role. Could have been a talented no name actor and it would have been just fine.

Yeah emilia needed to be saved for aajor character

i guess she's going to be a take on Sentry?

I really wanted to enjoy this Marvel show because of my love for Jackson, but I'm struggling to find anything positive about it.

The portrayal of Fake Rhody acting like Nick Fury was acting crazy is ridiculous. Why would a professional doubt Fury's credibility after witnessing such events and his heroic actions? HE just saved the Presidents life. If he was that bad guy why do all of that.

The endings were disappointing on multiple fronts, especially the Super Skrull fight. It felt lackluster with a simple hand beam to end it, and Fury's wife coming back was not handled well.

The plot with Gaia depending on the power giver to be turned on while she was inside it didn't make sense. Reminds me of the Spider-Man 3 with Sandman being in the tank. You don't cut stuff on with random stuff inside it. I doubt that tested on humans. So what if it gave Fury powers.

Fury's wife's deception and catfishing over the years made her character hard to like. It felt like they weakened Fury's persona in this show. And she is going to come back looking like a catfish. And we are like suppose to say awe. No all she did was not murder a man in his home. She gets no points for that.

Even the President's last order seemed implausible. We know there are heroes from other worlds, like Thor, who are good-hearted beings. It's hard to believe he would give an order to genocide. Like I just want to say he is a bad president and write it off. But really and order like that would have had to go thru so many people. You just can't say we are going to kill everyone who is different.

The entire show felt like a smear campaign against Fury. I am guessing in the Marvels he is going to get his other guy taken by a turtle.

Medussa posted...

i guess she's going to be a take on Sentry?

Huhh never thougght about it that way but it woudl be kinda lame to not just have a superman and instead she is captain superwoman with a myriad of useful abilities sprinkled in, sentry is at his best when he enters the fray to fight heavy hitters like when he dunked on ares or fought the world breaker hulk.

HornyLevel posted...

Yeah, but Gravik and Super Gravik don't have the same. Super Gravik clearly has Thanos' chin.

Oh yeah, now I see it. It's probably where the buffed up form came from as well.

OH. MY. FUCKING.GOD.

Of course the finale would be a bad CGI fest and not stick the landing. One of the MCU shows that had a great premise and a lot of promise just literally went down the drain with this garbage. I really loved some of the dialogue in this show, but for gods sake not every show needs to be a CGI fest in the third act. I wanted an Andor for the MCU universe and all this show did was go down the same bad habits the other MCU shows did.

Punished_Blinx posted...

It's a bit nuts to me that MCU doesn't have a Mandalorian equivalent? I think that show is overrated but at least it's meaty, regular and reliable.

No, what the MCU needs is a Andor equivalent, because that's the only good thing to come out of the Star Wars tv series. A show with strong writing, great character moments, expands on the lore, settings, and elevates its source material.

Prestoff posted...

OH. MY. FUCKING.GOD.

Of course the finale would be a bad CGI fest and not stick the landing. One of the MCU shows that had a great premise and a lot of promise just literally went down the drain with this garbage. I really loved some of the dialogue in this show, but for gods sake not every show needs to be a CGI fest in the third act. I wanted an Andor for the MCU universe and all this show did was go down the same bad habits the other MCU shows did.

No, what the MCU needs is a Andor equivalent, because that's the only good thing to come out of the Star Wars tv series. A show with strong writing, great character moments, expands on the lore, settings, and elevates its source material.

I thought the cgi itself was solid but the rationale for it being a cgi fight was bad

Funny enough she hulk made fun of this and they did it anyways

Its time for a show overhaul

Either commit and make a proper show or just stick to movies

6 episodes, 40ish mins each isnt getting it done

I know loki season 2 wilp be like this. Apparently echo may be 5 episodes

hope people really take to Daredevil, i guess.

Said it before but Peacemaker did the Secret Invasion story better than Secret Invasion ever did

WellKnownNomad posted...

Said it before but Peacemaker did the Secret Invasion story better than Secret Invasion ever did

Pretty much

I'm honestly a bit glad Toonstrack is in time-out atm. He'd be running defense both here and on the comics board.

TheSavageDragon posted...

I'm honestly a bit glad Toonstrack is in time-out atm. He'd be running defense both here and on the comics board.

I dont know. Ive been pretty happy with phase 4 and 5 and I thought this was one of the stupidest shows Ive watched lately

Gamingsince1989 posted...

This was definitely the worst of the MCU series. It had an interesting concept, but they did a poor job on executing for this show.

This. I am as big of an MCU fan/apologist as you will find, but this was not good. I enjoyed some moments from each series, but none has been truly great with the exception of Wanda Vision. Secret Invasion was just bad.

Instead of spending how many millions on a big CGI fight they should've used that money to hire more of the MCU supporting cast. Get characters like Okoye, Mbaku, Hank Pym, Hawkeye's family, hell...get fucking Darcy... to add to the mystery of who might be a Skrull.
What they had now is every single person instantly honing in on Rhodey the second Maria Hill got axed. The entire premise of the show was tanked by the end of the first episode as not a single person anyone gave a fuck about could be revealed to be a Skrull but Rhodey.

Xerun posted...

I dont know. Ive been pretty happy with phase 4 and 5 and I thought this was one of the stupidest shows Ive watched lately

Same here. But I've seen that dude post for years. Any tiny little critique anyone might have regarding the MCU is handwaved or met with vitriol.

TheSavageDragon posted...

I'm honestly a bit glad Toonstrack is in time-out atm. He'd be running defense both here and on the comics board.

Dont worry, you still have 60 to dickride Marvel

I agree, that was disappointing. Super predictable. Also all those CIA dropping like flies was ridiculous. Then it was just Sonya hiding behind a door? lol

I disagree with "if only there were more characters this could have been interesting", personally. I don't think any amount of additional characters could have improved this.

I feel the "body snatcher" stories stop being interesting when the snatchers are effectively perfect. You presume everyone is a Skrull, so you're not even excited when someone turns out to be one. And yes, Peacemaker did it better, so we even have recent examples.

I'm fine with the final fight being CG, I'm a little bummed at the power selection and use, but my real problem with that final fight is that there's no real reason Giah should have won. She and Gravik had equal powers. The victory should have come from intelligence, technique, guile, or will. Gravik had Giah on technique from his years of experience, and there's no evidence she won because she outsmarted him. At the very least, you can make it so that there's some kind of emotional and mental struggle between the two of them which she comes out on top of, which gives her the fortitude to best him, but they don't even demonstrate that. She just gets lucky, I guess, which makes the move to send her after him a massive risk that could have just as easily gone the other way.

And then there's the Fury v. Skrodey encounter, which is also not won via intelligence. They just argue with each other to no real end, and then Fury shoots Skrodey and that settles that.

CyricZ posted...

I disagree with "if only there were more characters this could have been interesting", personally. I don't think any amount of additional characters could have improved this.

I feel the "body snatcher" stories stop being interesting when the snatchers are effectively perfect. You presume everyone is a Skrull, so you're not even excited when someone turns out to be one. And yes, Peacemaker did it better, so we even have recent examples.

I'm fine with the final fight being CG, I'm a little bummed at the power selection and use, but my real problem with that final fight is that there's no real reason Giah should have won. She and Gravik had equal powers. The victory should have come from intelligence, technique, guile, or will. Gravik had Giah on technique from his years of experience, and there's no evidence she won because she outsmarted him. At the very least, you can make it so that there's some kind of emotional and mental struggle between the two of them which she comes out on top of, which gives her the fortitude to best him, but they don't even demonstrate that. She just gets lucky, I guess, which makes the move to send her after him a massive risk that could have just as easily gone the other way.

And then there's the Fury v. Skrodey encounter, which is also not won via intelligence. They just argue with each other to no real end, and then Fury shoots Skrodey and that settles that.

M-She-U bro

CyricZ posted...

I disagree with "if only there were more characters this could have been interesting", personally. I don't think any amount of additional characters could have improved this.

I was referring to characters anyone actually gave a fuck about rather than just more characters. It was the entire point of the comic they're basing this on.

There is no point to doing a "spy/mystery" show if the mystery is clear beyond the first episode. The entire draw of a show like this is the intrigue and that practically vanished when Hill hit the pavement.
The biggest mystery this show had that actually worked was whether or not Fury's wife was actually on his side or not. And that mystery revolved around a character most people don't seem to care for judging by past episode topics.

WellKnownNomad posted...

Said it before but Peacemaker did the Secret Invasion story better than Secret Invasion ever did

LOL

I didn't even realize that. Makes me want to go back and re-watch that show now.