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BlueAnnihilator
07/15/23 12:09:45 PM
#251:


Why does AceMos ruin every topic she posts in?

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Slayer_22
07/15/23 12:11:19 PM
#252:


It was fine until that weird shit towards the end. I was enjoying the discussion.

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Dabrikishaw15
07/15/23 12:20:38 PM
#253:


Slayer_22 posted...
And it's also about you accusing me of the incredibly messed up stuff you accused me of? Yeah, no, I don't want to continue this discussion so I'm gonna block you so I don't have to deal with your disgusting assertions about stuff I didn't say.

I'll unblock you after this topic is gone.
I'm sorry you got accused of that because it's clear to anyone reading you said nothing of the sort. This really was a fine topic until Acemos showed up.

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Kyle1022
07/15/23 12:30:56 PM
#254:


AceMos shits up every single topic that they post in. It was a great time when they were in purgatory for a looong time about a year or two ago. Idk why the mods haven't permanently banned them yet

I haven't used the ignore or block function on this website but I'd be lying if I said I never considered it for AceMos. They never add anything positive to a discussion. At least the typical trolls here are sometimes entertaining, but you can't say the same for AceMos. Just constant negativity and outrage
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ironman2009
07/15/23 1:32:51 PM
#255:


i'll tell ya hwat tho, that P5R OST is banger after banger

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Error1355
07/15/23 3:19:39 PM
#256:


Me: Oh, I liked Persona 5, I should click this thread

*skims topic*

Me afterwards:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/7/AADAKwAAEqUJ.png

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SugarFlakes
07/15/23 4:36:31 PM
#257:


Lmao

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DKBananaSlamma
07/15/23 4:37:20 PM
#258:


Error1355 posted...
Me: Oh, I liked Persona 5, I should click this thread

*skims topic*

Me afterwards:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/7/AADAKwAAEqUJ.png
Exact same reaction I had LOL

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YellowSUV
07/15/23 4:40:42 PM
#259:


If we lived in Maruki's reality this topic wouldn't have gone off the rails.

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DKBananaSlamma
07/15/23 4:46:13 PM
#260:


Ann > Futaba > Makoto > Haru

Kawakami > everyone else though

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David1988
07/15/23 4:46:41 PM
#261:


I just read the OP, shut the fuck up TC

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ZevLoveDOOM
07/15/23 4:47:58 PM
#262:


y'all making me wanna replay the game.

even if its just to get the alternative ending which unfortunately i didnt get in my first playthrough... lol >_>
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DKBananaSlamma
07/15/23 4:48:24 PM
#263:


YellowSUV posted...
If we lived in Maruki's reality this topic wouldn't have gone off the rails.
Maruki unironically did nothing wrong

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dancing_cactuar
07/15/23 7:25:16 PM
#264:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Maruki unironically did nothing wrong
I look back at how Yaldabaoth mentioned that "the act of making decisions is filled with nothing but pain", would have controlled all of humanity in his hands, and how that's literally Maruki in a nutshell where his widespread actualization is completely under his own subjective view of the individual and the multiple choice quiz in his palace has the answers all be a variation of "run away from the problem and get someone else to solve the problem for you", and I'm going to say a big no on this one.

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Slayer_22
07/15/23 8:24:52 PM
#265:


YellowSUV posted...
If we lived in Maruki's reality this topic wouldn't have gone off the rails.
True.

DKBananaSlamma posted...
Ann > Futaba > Makoto > Haru

Kawakami > everyone else though
Sae > Kawakami > Takemi > Ann > Evergone else >>>>> no romance >>>> Makoto.

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DKBananaSlamma
07/15/23 8:53:46 PM
#266:


Slayer_22 posted...
Sae > Kawakami > Takemi > Ann > Evergone else >>>>> no romance >>>> Makoto.
I can respect that

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Slayer_22
07/16/23 8:55:00 AM
#267:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
I can respect that
Sae is best girl what can I say?

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Error1355
07/16/23 8:56:18 AM
#268:


I just romance all the girls so I can see the scene of him being beaten up.

IMO the Futaba scenes were full on cringe and uncomfortable though.

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BurmesePenguin
07/16/23 8:56:36 AM
#269:


As a phantom thief, you must have had a best girl to appeal to the male consumer and to create quirky-awkward moments for the amusement of all and distraction in your heists.

WHO IS IT!?

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Slayer_22
07/16/23 9:10:47 AM
#270:


Error1355 posted...
I just romance all the girls so I can see the scene of him being beaten up.

IMO the Futaba scenes were full on cringe and uncomfortable though.
Yeah. She's honestly best as a little sister type of character. The romance, especially when considering Sojiro, feels so...odd.

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BurmesePenguin
07/16/23 9:23:13 AM
#271:


All scenes in Futaba's confidant is cringe except when she calls Nishima an NPC.

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Cemith
07/16/23 9:31:30 AM
#272:


Error1355 posted...
I just romance all the girls so I can see the scene of him being beaten up.

IMO the Futaba scenes were full on cringe and uncomfortable though.

Peak P5 is romancing every girl and then choosing to hang out with Ryuji anyway. It's what I'm doing for my pacifist run.

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ArtiRock
07/16/23 10:04:43 AM
#273:


Cemith posted...
Peak P5 is romancing every girl and then choosing to hang out with Ryuji anyway. It's what I'm doing for my pacifist run.
I just chose one girl and thought it was perfectly fine. Hanging with Ryuji is also acceptable IMO.

As for on topic, some people are massively misunderstanding Maruki. Yes, he overwrites things, but people need to understand that it's not out of malice. First of all, the person that gets their reality altered actually wished it themselves. 2nd the point is to showcase the parallels between what the Phantom Thieves were doing versus what Maruki is doing. The Phantom Thieves are actually doing something similar to Maruki, just on a smaller scale. They see someone that needs their cognition changed, and then they "steal" their heart to force change within them that NEVER would have happened so easily to make a reality where everyone's lives are happier as a result of the person being "defeated." What Maruki is doing is actually a more effective version than what they were doing on the account that it doesn't just affect the person that had their heart stolen, but rather everyone else around.

To the people talking about the addict and his girlfriend. You're still not understanding what happened here. Maruki would be changing everyone to cause the least amount of "problems" (though this is actually impossible). IE, the lady probably likes her boyfriend (obviously) outside of the fact that he's a gambling addict, and the man likes his girlfriend but wishes she didn't hate on the fact that he gambles (as in he doesn't see the addiction as a problem). So Maruki takes the path of least resistance and simply makes the lady not dislike the gambling because now she can enjoy her boyfriend for everything. People being able to see the flaws of Maruki's solution is intentional, because it shows the types of problems his full on reality would be running into. Where people suddenly don't care about things that they once did. It's showcasing why he's a human and couldn't possibly fix everyone's problems in the world, no matter how much he'd like to.

I do like these theory that some people have where it's the persona that's more in control than Maruki though, as this is the reason you aren't supposed to use higher leveled persona because they CAN do this to the persona user, and incidentally, Maruki is lower in level than his persona.

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dave_is_slick
07/16/23 12:32:24 PM
#274:


ArtiRock posted...
First of all, the person that gets their reality altered actually wished it themselves.
If they wanted it, they wouldn't go against it when discovering the truth. And you really think the archery dude wanted his dreams to become mundane?

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ArtiRock
07/16/23 1:09:44 PM
#275:


dave_is_slick posted...
If they wanted it, they wouldn't go against it when discovering the truth. And you really think the archery dude wanted his dreams to become mundane?
The phantom thieves did. And that's only because they were presented with an alternative reality. Everyone else didn't even resist. The fact that regular people actually resisted Yaldabaoth but not Maruki should be the indicator there.

yes. To an extent the archer dude DID want that. You completely missed the point of Maruki 's character.

the royal villain isn't a villain. He's an antagonist, and that's only because he's not right in the head.

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Fenrir_Howls
07/16/23 1:33:52 PM
#276:


To the people talking about the addict and his girlfriend. You're still not understanding what happened here. Maruki would be changing everyone to cause the least amount of "problems" (though this is actually impossible). IE, the lady probably likes her boyfriend (obviously) outside of the fact that he's a gambling addict, and the man likes his girlfriend but wishes she didn't hate on the fact that he gambles (as in he doesn't see the addiction as a problem). So Maruki takes the path of least resistance and simply makes the lady not dislike the gambling because now she can enjoy her boyfriend for everything. People being able to see the flaws of Maruki's solution is intentional, because it shows the types of problems his full on reality would be running into. Where people suddenly don't care about things that they once did. It's showcasing why he's a human and couldn't possibly fix everyone's problems in the world, no matter how much he'd like to.


So the people pointing out the intentional flaw of Maruki's plan don't understand that's there's a flaw? Nevermind that a few people have pointed out that flaw would mean Maruki gets to choose what to "fix" even if it's not the actual issue.

Note how most people have been treating it as if there's no issue or have been downplaying it

ArtiRock posted...

The phantom thieves did. And that's only because they were presented with an alternative reality. Everyone else didn't even resist. The fact that regular people actually resisted Yaldabaoth but not Maruki should be the indicator there.


People resisted Yaldy when there was a clear alternative, meanwhile having no choice under Maruki

yes. To an extent the archer dude DID want that. You completely missed the point of Maruki 's character.


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Doe
07/16/23 1:38:41 PM
#277:


I think it's my fault for totally derailing this topic by bringing up Royal

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EthanSilver
07/16/23 1:39:46 PM
#278:


Doe posted...
I think it's my fault for totally derailing this topic by bringing up Royal
Royal sucks.
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dave_is_slick
07/16/23 1:59:13 PM
#279:


ArtiRock posted...
yes. To an extent the archer dude DID want that.
Show me exactly where that was said or implied.

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Doe
07/16/23 2:11:47 PM
#280:


There are objectively people who Maruki does not consider their wish, such as Akechi

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ironman2009
07/17/23 9:25:15 AM
#281:


You know who sucks? Yusuke

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MaxEffingBemis
07/17/23 9:33:57 AM
#282:


Doe posted...
There are objectively people who Maruki does not consider their wish, such as Akechi
Thats because Akechi is dead and the only reason hes around is because Jokers wish is that he was still alive

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BurmesePenguin
07/17/23 9:45:24 AM
#283:


ironman2009 posted...
You know who sucks? Yusuke
Yusuke Kitagawa might be the greatest character in all of fiction

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Kain_Highwind
07/17/23 9:47:38 AM
#284:


BurmesePenguin posted...
Yusuke Kitagawa might be the greatest character in all of fiction
He's also a creepy weirdo

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Kyle1022
07/17/23 9:51:14 AM
#285:


MaxEffingBemis posted...
Thats because Akechi is dead
Not if you max the Justice confidant and do the Royal ending
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BurmesePenguin
07/17/23 9:52:42 AM
#286:


Kain_Highwind posted...
He's also a creepy weirdo
I reject that moniker. Hes really creepy for a short while and then just a weirdo for 85% (2000% if counting strikers) of the game.

to label him as a creepy weirdo for such a short period of creepiness just aint right

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dave_is_slick
07/17/23 10:35:02 AM
#287:


Kyle1022 posted...
Not if you max the Justice confidant and do the Royal ending
That's another reason I kinda hated Royal. There was no need to make this ambiguous.

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Kyle1022
07/17/23 11:15:24 AM
#288:


There's nothing really "ambiguous" about it. They wouldn't have put in that short post-credits scene at the end if they didn't want the audience to think that he survived

When you couple that with this datamined cut content, it's obvious the developers' intention is for him to be alive:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ2QIwZqosQ&pp=ygUSYWtlY2hpIGN1dCBjb250ZW50

Plus the fact that P5T will have DLC of him, and the game is confirmed to take place during/after graduation
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EthanSilver
07/17/23 11:20:58 AM
#289:


ironman2009 posted...
You know who sucks? Yusuke

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Doe
07/17/23 11:22:04 AM
#290:


I didn't interpret it as literal personally

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EthanSilver
07/17/23 11:22:24 AM
#291:


Kain_Highwind posted...
He's also a creepy weirdo

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ironman2009
07/17/23 11:22:41 AM
#292:


EthanSilver posted...

Search your soul, you know it's true.

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EthanSilver
07/17/23 11:25:00 AM
#293:


ironman2009 posted...
Search your soul, you know it's true.

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YellowSUV
07/17/23 7:30:35 PM
#294:


ironman2009 posted...
You know who sucks? Yusuke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcClaMZBxNI

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Slayer_22
07/18/23 2:49:23 AM
#295:


YellowSUV posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcClaMZBxNI
Love this line.

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CreekCo
07/18/23 3:23:00 PM
#296:


Yusuke is amazing

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Slayer_22
07/18/23 9:42:09 PM
#297:


CreekCo posted...
Yusuke is amazing
I see no lies in this statement.

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Srk700
07/19/23 12:08:23 PM
#298:


ironman2009 posted...
You know who sucks? Yusuke

Blasphemous posts like this should be suspension worthy.

BurmesePenguin posted...
Yusuke Kitagawa might be the greatest character in all of fiction

Nah, that would be Kanji Tatsumi. Yusuke is a close 2nd though.
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ironman2009
07/19/23 12:09:39 PM
#299:


Yusuke gang should be rounded up and watched carefully.

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BurmesePenguin
07/19/23 12:11:39 PM
#300:


Srk700 posted...
Nah, that would be Kanji Tatsumi.
I don't read that Naruto crap

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