Current Events > Why did Pokemon Diamond and Pearl come out so undercooked?

Topic List	Page List: 1
Garioshi 07/09/23 4:08:43 PM #1:	The time between RS and DP was about 4 years, which is longer than the average turnaround time for Pokemon, but they're perhaps the most notorious (outside of recent entries) games in the series for being undercooked. The hell happened? --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:974729858] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>The time between RS and DP was about 4 years, which is longer than the average turnaround time for Pokemon, but they're perhaps the most notorious (outside of recent entries) games in the series for being undercooked. The hell happened?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/09/23 4:09:58 PM #2:	Gamefreak is incompetent. That's what happened. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:974729880] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Gamefreak is incompetent. That's what happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 07/09/23 4:10:00 PM #3:	Probably couldn't get accustomed to the DS architecture in time. Compare DP to the later DS entries, and you'll see a vast improvement with each game. --- Eat the rich Destroy the GOP <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:974729881] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Probably couldn't get accustomed to the DS architecture in time. Compare DP to the later DS entries, and you'll see a vast improvement with each game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 07/09/23 4:11:47 PM #4:	They spent the whole dev cycle getting those 3d models of Dialga and Palkia to load on the start screen without crashing, not to mention animating that Magikarp coin flip app --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:974729916] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>They spent the whole dev cycle getting those 3d models of Dialga and Palkia to load on the start screen without crashing, not to mention animating that Magikarp coin flip app</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 07/09/23 4:13:31 PM #5:	I'd guess the jump to the DS was harder than they expected. I miss that era of pokemon so much tho. They cramped so much love into the DS entries. --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:974729945] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>I'd guess the jump to the DS was harder than they expected. I miss that era of pokemon so much tho. They cramped so much love into the DS entries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 07/09/23 4:16:17 PM #6:	Around the time they realesed Pokemon Box Gamefreak realised they could shit in a box and still make bank --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:974729988] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Around the time they realesed Pokemon Box Gamefreak realised they could shit in a box and still make bank</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CRON 07/09/23 4:18:44 PM #7:	Questionmarktarius posted... Gamefreak is incompetent. That's what happened. Wandering__Hero posted... Around the time they realesed Pokemon Box Gamefreak realised they could shit in a box and still make bank --- Thanks for reading! <cite>CRON posted [p:974730036] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>Gamefreak is incompetent. That's what happened.</quote>Wandering__Hero posted... </cite><quote>Around the time they realesed Pokemon Box Gamefreak realised they could shit in a box and still make bank</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frostshock 07/09/23 4:20:18 PM #8:	There was nothing undercooked about them other than forgetting to actually put fire pokemon in the game. --- Got questions about schoolwork? Want to share answers, or discuss your studies? Come to Homework Helpers! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1060-homework-helpers <cite>Frostshock posted [p:974730062] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>There was nothing undercooked about them other than forgetting to actually put fire pokemon in the game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Calwings 07/09/23 4:46:41 PM #9:	Frostshock posted... There was nothing undercooked about them other than forgetting to actually put fire pokemon in the game. This. D/P had flaws but were still great games. Then Platinum came around and fixed almost all of those flaws --- https://i.imgur.com/PmF1p9q.jpg <cite>Calwings posted [p:974730567] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Frostshock posted...</cite><quote>There was nothing undercooked about them other than forgetting to actually put fire pokemon in the game.</quote>This. D/P had flaws but were still great games. Then Platinum came around and fixed almost all of those flaws</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Slash 07/09/23 4:52:16 PM #10:	Pokemon didn't REALLY start getting good until Platinum. Gen 1 had a good region but the gameplay was an awful mess. Gen 2 had the same problem, but its problem wasn't glitches; it was the ridiculously underleveled gym leaders and E4. Then Gen 3 was just boring, with too much water and backtracking. I never played DP but I heard the gameplay in it was very slow. With Platinum, it seems they finally started getting everything right. <cite>Super_Slash posted [p:974730666] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Pokemon didn't REALLY start getting good until Platinum. Gen 1 had a good region but the gameplay was an awful mess. Gen 2 had the same problem, but its problem wasn't glitches; it was the ridiculously underleveled gym leaders and E4. Then Gen 3 was just boring, with too much water and backtracking. I never played DP but I heard the gameplay in it was very slow. With Platinum, it seems they finally started getting everything right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 07/09/23 4:57:10 PM #11:	First DS Game, also first to have online battles and trades and GTS. Also had that local multiplayer aspect with digging underground and such to get spiritomb that everybody hated. yall expect too much from developers tbh. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:974730746] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>First DS Game, also first to have online battles and trades and GTS. Also had that local multiplayer aspect with digging underground and such to get spiritomb that everybody hated. yall expect too much from developers tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#12	Post #12 was unavailable or deleted.
LordFarquad1312 07/09/23 5:24:36 PM #13:	No idea why people pile on D/P, those games were fine. R/S were absolute ass. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:974731257] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>No idea why people pile on D/P, those games were fine.R/S were absolute ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 07/09/23 5:25:40 PM #14:	You can honestly ask this question about every Pokemon game in recent memory, TC. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:974731279] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>You can honestly ask this question about every Pokemon game in recent memory, TC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 07/09/23 5:29:10 PM #15:	Diamond and Pearl are so fucking ass lmao. One of the worst regions, and Mt. Coronet was really fucking cool of an idea. But people forget that in actual practice, it was a really boring cave section with only 1 part of the top part of Coronet even realistically relevant and doesn't even resemble a mountain. Otherwise nobody fucking remembers majority of the cities, and none of its connecting components are memorable in the slightest. Like who remembers the... I dunno 4th gym of Sinnoh, really? It had very few good non-derivative original Pokemon too. Like Infernape was kinda lame when it shares the same typing as Blaziken. But when it comes to 4th gen, the only ones people remember are stuff that evolves from other games Also the phys/spec split was by far the most valuable part of 4th gen, but the battles kinda sucked. They were slow in-game, and the meta was ruined by now buffed previous gen Pokemon, not for anything 4th gen did. Honestly the only fun Pokemon to use were previous gen ones so my team wasn't that different from like 3rd gen. --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgur.com/krtFHol.jpg <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:974731348] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Diamond and Pearl are so fucking ass lmao. One of the worst regions, and Mt. Coronet was really fucking cool of an idea. But people forget that in actual practice, it was a really boring cave section with only 1 part of the top part of Coronet even realistically relevant and doesn't even resemble a mountain. Otherwise nobody fucking remembers majority of the cities, and none of its connecting components are memorable in the slightest. Like who remembers the... I dunno 4th gym of Sinnoh, really?It had very few good non-derivative original Pokemon too. Like Infernape was kinda lame when it shares the same typing as Blaziken. But when it comes to 4th gen, the only ones people remember are stuff that evolves from other gamesAlso the phys/spec split was by far the most valuable part of 4th gen, but the battles kinda sucked. They were slow in-game, and the meta was ruined by now buffed previous gen Pokemon, not for anything 4th gen did. Honestly the only fun Pokemon to use were previous gen ones so my team wasn't that different from like 3rd gen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zinformant 07/09/23 5:30:05 PM #16:	There are several bad histories being told here. Folks forget how 2006 was essentially the Stone Age and that RS had just established the serial formula. If Emerald was the first truly 'complete' entry in the series, DP followed its act by providing a lengthy, quasi-open map with substantial postgame content expanded by Platinum. The remakes are rough around the edges because certain design tenets are less palatable today, but they were the best entries in the series at the time of release with vibrant competitive and trading scenes thanks to online capabilities. Is there a particular aspect of the games that you had in mind? This series' game design is fairly easy to track as evolutionary. --- While we count these petals to pluck them off a cosmos The stem is likely to blast but never does the fate <cite>zinformant posted [p:974731365] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>There are several bad histories being told here. Folks forget how 2006 was essentially the Stone Age and that RS had just established the serial formula. If Emerald was the first truly 'complete' entry in the series, DP followed its act by providing a lengthy, quasi-open map with substantial postgame content expanded by Platinum. The remakes are rough around the edges because certain design tenets are less palatable today, but they were the best entries in the series at the time of release with vibrant competitive and trading scenes thanks to online capabilities. Is there a particular aspect of the games that you had in mind? This series' game design is fairly easy to track as evolutionary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 07/09/23 5:34:55 PM #17:	I can't name the 4th gym of any Pokemon game. legendarylemur posted... Like Infernape was kinda lame when it shares the same typing as Blaziken And they did it again in Gen V. And Incineroar was obviously designed as a fighter but had dark slapped on him out of shame or something. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:974731464] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>I can't name the 4th gym of any Pokemon game.legendarylemur posted... </cite><quote>Like Infernape was kinda lame when it shares the same typing as Blaziken</quote>And they did it again in Gen V. And Incineroar was obviously designed as a fighter but had dark slapped on him out of shame or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Puglia77 07/09/23 5:37:36 PM #18:	legendarylemur posted... Like who remembers the... I dunno 4th gym of Sinnoh, really? Pastoria, Crasher Wake and Maylene. BDSP came out less than 2 years ago, not that hard to remember. --- Proud Arceus of C.E.A.L. 3DS: 3926 5179 1229 IGN: ICanSnake (AS, Moon, UM, SW) \| Jon (X) Event List: http://bit.ly/2mVcn2Z Shiny List: http://bit.ly/2wdbxU7 <cite>Puglia77 posted [p:974731511] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted... </cite><quote>Like who remembers the... I dunno 4th gym of Sinnoh, really?</quote>Pastoria, Crasher Wake and Maylene. BDSP came out less than 2 years ago, not that hard to remember.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xlr_big-coop 07/09/23 5:37:58 PM #19:	Questionmarktarius posted... Gamefreak is incompetent. That's what happened. --- :) <cite>xlr_big-coop posted [p:974731520] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>Gamefreak is incompetent. That's what happened.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 07/09/23 5:45:45 PM #20:	Frostshock posted... There was nothing undercooked about them other than forgetting to actually put fire pokemon in the game. I liked DP, but Platinum showed how flawed DP were. The overall speed of DP was bad and the saving time issue was bad. A few smaller issues like the lack of fire pokemon were present but not damaging. Platinum was just the game that DP should have been, but ultimately DP were a necessary step for the rest of the DS games. Calwings posted... --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:974731666] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Frostshock posted... </cite><quote>There was nothing undercooked about them other than forgetting to actually put fire pokemon in the game.</quote>I liked DP, but Platinum showed how flawed DP were. The overall speed of DP was bad and the saving time issue was bad. A few smaller issues like the lack of fire pokemon were present but not damaging. Platinum was just the game that DP should have been, but ultimately DP were a necessary step for the rest of the DS games. Calwings posted... </cite></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 07/09/23 5:48:59 PM #21:	legendarylemur posted... It had very few good non-derivative original Pokemon too. Like Infernape was kinda lame when it shares the same typing as Blaziken. But when it comes to 4th gen, the only ones people remember are stuff that evolves from other games Lucario, Garchomp, Shaymin, Darkrai, and the starters are all some of the most popular pokemon in the franchise, especially Piplup. --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:974731746] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted... </cite><quote>It had very few good non-derivative original Pokemon too. Like Infernape was kinda lame when it shares the same typing as Blaziken. But when it comes to 4th gen, the only ones people remember are stuff that evolves from other games</quote>Lucario, Garchomp, Shaymin, Darkrai, and the starters are all some of the most popular pokemon in the franchise, especially Piplup. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Carljank 07/09/23 5:49:54 PM #22:	Yeah like the underground could have been so much more but it just felt like wasted time. Black and White (especially 2) were much better games. --- Sorry if my posts make you feel emotional. It is not my intent. Make America Nazi-Free Again. #NoMoreNazis #Wolf2 <cite>Carljank posted [p:974731771] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Yeah like the underground could have been so much more but it just felt like wasted time. Black and White (especially 2) were much better games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmilyTheCEman 07/09/23 5:51:54 PM #23:	Usually the first games for the new console are always them getting used to the new hardware and the 2nd game for the new consoles are fully realized. Only exception is GBA because it only had 1 but the pattern rings true for GBC, DS, 3DS and Switch. Gold/Silver, Black/White, Sun/Moon and Scarlet/Violet are huge leaps from the previous entries on the same consoles. --- Now Playing - Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time <cite>EmilyTheCEman posted [p:974731821] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Usually the first games for the new console are always them getting used to the new hardware and the 2nd game for the new consoles are fully realized. Only exception is GBA because it only had 1 but the pattern rings true for GBC, DS, 3DS and Switch.Gold/Silver, Black/White, Sun/Moon and Scarlet/Violet are huge leaps from the previous entries on the same consoles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Calwings 07/09/23 5:54:26 PM #24:	Doe posted... And they did it again in Gen V. And Incineroar was obviously designed as a fighter but had dark slapped on him out of shame or something. Incineroar is based off of heel (villain) pro wrestlers who often cheat and use dirty tactics to win matches, and the Dark type is literally called the Evil type in Japan. It makes perfect sense for it to be Fire/Dark given that inspiration for its design. CM_Ponch posted... Platinum was just the game that DP should have been, but ultimately DP were a necessary step for the rest of the DS games. Pretty much. D/P laid the DS Pokemon framework, then Platinum and HG/SS expanded on it and became top-tier Pokemon games as a result. --- https://i.imgur.com/PmF1p9q.jpg <cite>Calwings posted [p:974731870] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted...</cite><quote>And they did it again in Gen V. And Incineroar was obviously designed as a fighter but had dark slapped on him out of shame or something.</quote>Incineroar is based off of heel (villain) pro wrestlers who often cheat and use dirty tactics to win matches, and the Dark type is literally called the Evil type in Japan. It makes perfect sense for it to be Fire/Dark given that inspiration for its design.CM_Ponch posted...</cite><quote>Platinum was just the game that DP should have been, but ultimately DP were a necessary step for the rest of the DS games. </quote>Pretty much. D/P laid the DS Pokemon framework, then Platinum and HG/SS expanded on it and became top-tier Pokemon games as a result.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/09/23 5:58:37 PM #25:	I think it mostly had to be preparing for online, and really wireless in general. That had a little practice for wireless with FrLg, but it was a huge step up from that to do with native hardware. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:974731965] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>I think it mostly had to be preparing for online, and really wireless in general. That had a little practice for wireless with FrLg, but it was a huge step up from that to do with native hardware. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 07/09/23 6:00:54 PM #26:	zinformant posted... Is there a particular aspect of the games that you had in mind? The overall speed of the games and the extremely scuffed accessibility of some Pokemon (not just Fire-types) are what immediately come to mind, but the gyms also felt extremely undercooked. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:974732016] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>zinformant posted... </cite><quote>Is there a particular aspect of the games that you had in mind?</quote>The overall speed of the games and the extremely scuffed accessibility of some Pokemon (not just Fire-types) are what immediately come to mind, but the gyms also felt extremely undercooked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philip027 07/09/23 6:35:34 PM #27:	Were they undercooked? They were still fine to me. It's just every subsequent Pokemon game on the same platform outshone it. You can tell in gen 4 that there were growing pains with regard to the new hardware (mainly visible in the lower FPS, the slower HP bars, and the agonizing save times), but the games felt fine aside from that. Gen 5 is where you can tell they got over those pains. <cite>Philip027 posted [p:974732602] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>Were they undercooked? They were still fine to me. It's just every subsequent Pokemon game on the same platform outshone it.You can tell in gen 4 that there were growing pains with regard to the new hardware (mainly visible in the lower FPS, the slower HP bars, and the agonizing save times), but the games felt fine aside from that. Gen 5 is where you can tell they got over those pains.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 07/10/23 11:15:49 AM #28:	this is unrelated but i HATE BDSP clogging search results with unrecognizable garbage --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:974743683] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>this is unrelated but i HATE BDSP clogging search results with unrecognizable garbage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 07/10/23 11:24:39 AM #29:	I don't have a strong opinion on the technical aspects of it, but aesthetically D/P felt like a noticeable downgrade from R/S, particularly in world design / biome diversity and soundtrack. And the underground caves were a lot less fun than R/S's home base setup. I also though R/S's 'evil team' dichotomy (in which one Team was the bad guys and the other was the tentative good guys based on the version you had) was fairly clever for a Pokemon game. D/P certainly wasn't bad in this regard (before anyone accuses me of thinking, for instance, that D/P's standout music tracks aren't deserving of praise), but R/S got me hooked back into the franchise largely based on the above qualities, and D/P in general left me with a feeling of 'oh...that's it?' when playing through it. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read https://imgur.com/1WshTZu - by DB_Insider https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:974743835] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>I don't have a strong opinion on the technical aspects of it, but aesthetically D/P felt like a noticeable downgrade from R/S, particularly in world design / biome diversity and soundtrack. And the underground caves were a lot less fun than R/S's home base setup. I also though R/S's 'evil team' dichotomy (in which one Team was the bad guys and the other was the tentative good guys based on the version you had) was fairly clever for a Pokemon game.D/P certainly wasn't bad in this regard (before anyone accuses me of thinking, for instance, that D/P's standout music tracks aren't deserving of praise), but R/S got me hooked back into the franchise largely based on the above qualities, and D/P in general left me with a feeling of 'oh...that's it?' when playing through it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 07/10/23 11:38:16 AM #30:	The only gripe I had with Diamond and Pearl is how long it took to save the game. The 3DS games onward were all undercooked as shit though. --- May contain bones https://youtu.be/jGbI0P4hh3o <cite>Chicken posted [p:974744075] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>The only gripe I had with Diamond and Pearl is how long it took to save the game. The 3DS games onward were all undercooked as shit though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaylorHeinicke 07/10/23 11:44:29 AM #31:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhmDmIt8AHY --- St. Louis Battlehawks (7-3) <cite>TaylorHeinicke posted [p:974744222] in Why did Po... [t:80503943]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhmDmIt8AHY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1

Current Events > Why did Pokemon Diamond and Pearl come out so undercooked? (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > Why did Pokemon Diamond and Pearl come out so undercooked?