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mustachedmystic
07/06/23 7:47:29 PM
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How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there isnt a Creator?
Edit: Or spiritual.

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TonyKojima
07/06/23 7:47:51 PM
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So you are agnostic.

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Irony
07/06/23 7:48:49 PM
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I bet you only drink Dr Pepper

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mustachedmystic
07/06/23 7:49:14 PM
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I am a lapsed Catholic.

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mustachedmystic
07/06/23 7:50:27 PM
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Irony posted...
I bet you only drink Dr Pepper
Lol, dat happens to be my favorite PepsiCola soda.
Edit: Da soda fountain at work has Dr. Pepper.

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coolguyjimmy
07/06/23 7:51:48 PM
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Because Christianity has even effected our very language, with how entwined it has become culturally, when you say "God", the language of English has certain expectations from such an entity, and it's not just to be a "Creator".

This almost became an issue with the Japanese Bible, because the translators felt that "Kami" did not have the same connotations as "God" does in English.

Therefore when one says "God is dead", they do not mean that the Creator has died, but rather the very concept of God (Christian) is dead.
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GameGodOfAll
07/06/23 7:52:17 PM
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I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in God. I believe in God like, you know?

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ellis123
07/06/23 7:52:27 PM
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It is the difference between being an atheist and a Gods Not Dead atheist.

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Ar0ge
07/06/23 7:53:55 PM
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How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there isnt a Santa?

How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there aren't unicorns?

How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there aren't leprechauns?
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AlBundy33
07/06/23 7:54:52 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there isnt a Creator?
Edit: Or spiritual.

A creator implies intelligent design, we can prove intelligent design does not exist, so if there is a creator, it is incompetent at best

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Pikachuchupika
07/06/23 7:56:07 PM
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If there is a god, it's probably neither benevolent or malevolent. It probably doesn't even look like anything.
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KainWind
07/06/23 7:57:47 PM
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I certainly can't say there is one

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Irony
07/06/23 7:58:06 PM
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What if all foreskins fly into the sky to become a gigantic cosmic foreskin

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MorbidFaithless
07/06/23 8:00:21 PM
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Pikachuchupika posted...
If there is a god, it's probably neither benevolent or malevolent. It probably doesn't even look like anything.
Maybe, somehow, there is some eternal consciousness that sprouts universes or something. Probably doesn't even know it.

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Goldice
07/06/23 8:01:28 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...


A creator implies intelligent design, we can prove intelligent design does not exist, so if there is a creator, it is incompetent at best

We can?

Keep in mind a creator outside of the bounds of Christianity would be someone who created everything, not just humanity.

Anyways I'm not sure what I believe. The idea of a being on a higher plane then ours doesn't seem that far fetched though. That could range from anything of we're just some experiment by a higher being to there is a God, but since God would be billions of years old, we're not even something of interest. A byproduct of this whole creation thing. Or maybe a major religion is right.

Honestly we're probably going to never find out the answer. So. It is what it is

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Spiderman23J
07/06/23 8:02:05 PM
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What if God was one of us?

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ellis123
07/06/23 8:03:21 PM
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Spiderman23J posted...
What if God was one of us?
Then we'd crucify him.

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Pikachuchupika
07/06/23 8:07:32 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
Maybe, somehow, there is some eternal consciousness that sprouts universes or something. Probably doesn't even know it.

Or maybe "we" did it, we just don't know it.
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Pikachuchupika
07/06/23 8:11:10 PM
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Speaking of, imagine being God...what would you even do? Create a universe? Must be lonely being all-powerful.
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IMNOTRAGED
07/06/23 8:11:14 PM
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If some god exists but we know nothing about its nature, its existence is irrelevant. There's no actionable difference as far as the way we perceive life and the universe between saying "there is no god" and "I don't know". It's nothing more than semantics

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Goldice
07/06/23 8:13:06 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...

look up the laryngeal nerve of the giraffe

Which would just disprove intelligent design of life on earth. Which is all I thought intelligent design dealt with.

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Prestoff
07/06/23 8:18:55 PM
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Irony posted...
What if all foreskins fly into the sky to become a gigantic cosmic foreskin

That was God's plan all along!

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brestugo
07/06/23 8:31:12 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
So you are agnostic.


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tankboy
07/06/23 8:35:52 PM
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If you cannot say there is no God, then how can you say there are no gods?
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HairyQueen
07/06/23 8:41:00 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
So you are agnostic.
More specifically, it sounds like TC is an agnostic atheist. Gnosticism refers to whether you believe that the existence of a god is knowable. A gnostic believes it's knowable, an agnostic doesn't. Theism deals in belief that one exists.

If you're asked "do you believe a god exists" and your answer is anything besides "yes", then atheist is likely the best descriptor for you. If you also don't believe it's even possible to know, then you're an agnostic atheist.

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David1988
07/06/23 8:45:38 PM
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I do think there is an entity or entities that consider themselves gods only they are just as foolish as humans only difference of having won the lottery to deityhood

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Kradek
07/06/23 8:47:29 PM
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It's pretty easy when you think about it logically. Everybody thinks their answer is the one true answer, they can't all logically be right, so it's more logical that they're all wrong.

Also the fact that sprituality and religion literally stems from early man's scientific illiteracy and the afterlife stems from their fear of their own mortality and what comes after.

The ancient Greeks thought Zeus hurled lightning strikes, that Apollo pulled the sun across the sky in a chariot, the Nords believed thunder was Thor banging his hammer, hell even the Jews believed that the sky was literally filled with water all the time and when it rains it's because "flood gates" open up to allow that water to drop. There's even a diagram I've seen of this belief of how they viewed the world.

So, ya, now that we're more scientifically literate, we understand most gods were just explanations for natural phenomenon that made our ancestors shit their britches.

The arrogance that monotheism has thinking they're inherently better or more accurate than the polytheistic religions just shows how tone deaf they are.

But if you want to get be pedantic about it, I guess we can't disprove the existence of unicorns, so agnostics will always have "you can't DISPROVE it" to fall back on.

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LeadPipeCinche
07/06/23 8:57:54 PM
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*insert "Who gets to the dollar first at a 4 way street" using the Easter bunny, Santa, God and a feminist.
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mustachedmystic
07/06/23 11:02:51 PM
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Ar0ge posted...
How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there isnt a Santa?
The fact that presents didnt magically appear under my fireplace on Christmas morning.
How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there aren't unicorns?
If unicorns existed, there would be evidence in the fossil record.


How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there aren't leprechauns?
It depends, how powerfull are these beings?

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Enclave
07/06/23 11:25:08 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there isnt a Creator?
Edit: Or spiritual.

It's impossible to claim something non-falsifiable doesn't exist and anybody who tries to take on that burden of proof is doing it wrong. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim and you have no need to actually believe their nonsense until they can actually prove it.

Basically, you sound like an atheist just based on the first post. You don't believe in any deities and do not want to take on the burden of proof that rightfully belongs to others.

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lilORANG
07/06/23 11:27:09 PM
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Even if a being existed who purported to be God, we'd have no reason to take his word for it. He could be lying.

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Jagr_68
07/06/23 11:28:24 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It is the difference between being an atheist and a Gods Not Dead atheist.

One gives you lemons and the other gives you fucking cancer and death.

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gu-gohan
07/06/23 11:42:37 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
So you are agnostic.


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mercurydude
07/06/23 11:43:40 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
How can you, possibly think, that you know so much, that you can say, with complete certainty, that there isnt a Creator?
Edit: Or spiritual.

It's odd how topics asking questions like this, supposedly coming from a place of good faith and deep thought, are always asked in a way that favors monotheism and throws all other considerations out the window.

There is no more reason to assume a single creator than five creators, or five thousand. I can't say with certainty and neither can you, so why are you insisting that if we were created (and that is a rather big IF!), it must've been by a singular being?

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Kimbos_Egg
07/06/23 11:48:21 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
So you are agnostic.

i think i have a cream for that.

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Enclave
07/06/23 11:49:02 PM
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mercurydude posted...
It's odd how topics asking questions like this, supposedly coming from a place of good faith and deep thought, are always asked in a way that favors monotheism and throws all other considerations out the window.

There is no more reason to assume a single creator than five creators, or five thousand. I can't say with certainty and neither can you, so why are you insisting that if we were created (and that is a rather big IF!), it must've been by a singular being?

Most people on this site were raised in a culture where the dominant religions are monotheistic and thus that's the default most will go to.

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BurmesePenguin
07/06/23 11:55:16 PM
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The absolutism you're asking for is comical. It's not entirely utterly completely impossible that big foot, santa claus and the loch ness monster exists, so even though there is absolutely zero reasons to think so, we ought to "never say never"?

You're right, I can't say """for sure""" that there is no God/gods, but things pointing towards there being one is practically absolute zero, so I'm going to continue to say that there isn't.

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ZEROWOLF
07/06/23 11:55:53 PM
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I don't think anyone is claiming there is no God. Only that there isn't sufficient evidence to believe there is one.

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mercurydude
07/06/23 11:58:26 PM
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Enclave posted...
Most people on this site were raised in a culture where the dominant religions are monotheistic and thus that's the default most will go to.

I guess. It just rubbed me the wrong way that TC seems to be smugly claiming knowledge and certainty himself whilst accusing others of the same. You're probably right though, that it's just a matter of not being used to other perspectives, but that's where his making a less accusatory opening post would've come in handy.

lilORANG posted...
Even if a being existed who purported to be God, we'd have no reason to take his word for it. He could be lying.

Indeed, especially if it wanted something from us. It would be the "What does God need with a starship?" situation.

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iCurious
07/07/23 12:31:15 AM
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I certainly don't know. Raised Christian so I'm going to comment on the God of the Bible, but at this point, I'm only confident in the spiritual side of reality, or something along those lines. Based mostly on my thoughts regarding consciousness - the idea that subjective experience is a result of purely biological coincidences doesn't add up to me, so spirits land on the list of things I believe in as a probable (and honestly, desirable) explanation. Ideally it also means that dying isn't a total loss of self.

As such, I only wonder if God the Creator is one of those spiritual entities that I believe exist, and I can't really come to a conclusion on that one for now. I might like to think God is real, since nothing ensures continuity of the self like the Christian afterlife, but numerous little things leave me unconvinced. Curiosity about it makes the idea of death less terrifying and more like an unfortunate opportunity to discover the answers to the most interesting questions that we can't yet answer in life.

Just have to hope that none of the claims of eternal torment if you don't meet certain conditions are accurate. I try not to think about that one and kind of hope I just change my mind at some point on God before I die, just to be safe. Of course, if it's one of those other religion's condition sets that I fail to meet then I'm pretty much screwed.

And it's this last dilemma that serves as a primary reason that I'm unconvinced. I feel like, as a baseline, God would ideally provide some means of belief that go beyond blind faith, since there are all these alternative things to believe in. There's also too many ways to explain away most things that religious people believe constitute proof, up to and including grand human conspiracies going back thousands of years, aliens, or even a virtual matrix-like simulation that can simulate any number of seemingly impossible events if need be. Pure coincidence is more popular than any of that, of course.

But, maybe not providing absolute proof that he exists is part of a morality test, reasoning that any test of moral character is useless if the absolute certainty of punishment is what motivates you to follow the rules. It's just that that explanation falls apart when you introduce alternate options as religions, since they would seem likely to skew the test results in an undesirable way.

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Kradek
07/08/23 12:18:34 AM
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Same

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xGhostchantx
07/08/23 12:24:48 AM
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You say god, I say gods. Prove to me Tiw, Frigge and Woden dont exist. I say they do and you can't prove me wrong and our pantheon existed before yours.

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HairyQueen
07/08/23 12:32:18 AM
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I'll go a step further and claim that there is no Loch Ness Monster

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Kradek
07/08/23 2:22:59 AM
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Enclave posted...
Most people on this site were raised in a culture where the dominant religions are monotheistic and thus that's the default most will go to.

Which goes to show that "how valid" your religion is is largely based off the geographic location you were born.

If someone met an Arabic Muslim, nothing special at all about that, because the region where Arabs hail from is dominated by that religion.

Now a Japanese Muslim? That's a backstory that's actually worth investing into because it's very doubtful that he lived in a Japanese community or had a heritage that was predominately Muslim.

Similarly, most Americans are only super sold and assured in Christianity because it's America, which has always been dominated by Christianity both in family lineage (passed on indoctrination from parent to child) or societal peer pressure because most people in your community are Christian.

If these people who are super sold on Christianity as an American were to have been born in Iran or Saudi Arabia instead, there's the slimmest of chances they still end up Christian.

KanWan posted...
I would insist on the premise of the most profound statement mathematics has to offer: the idea of 0 to 1. It encapsulates everything including the idea of an infinitum that exists in between every number after that. Equally alluring is the idea that matter present in all living and non-living things fundamentally works much like the infinities between numbers. There are the atoms that build bridges between eachother and form other solutions and equations that will span between now and forever.

Is it called God though? I dont know. Language is just placeholder in order for us to make sense of things anyways. Remove that and you have another kind of discussion that will never be suited for tongue that warrants inspection.

Hey man, I watched the episode of Futurama where Bender met "God", too.

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Questionmarktarius
07/08/23 2:26:37 AM
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If you accept the bible, literally, Yahweh didn't do a whole lot since around 430BC, and effectively gave up around 29AD.
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WingsOfGood
07/08/23 2:28:30 AM
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AlBundy33 posted...
A creator implies intelligent design, we can prove intelligent design does not exist, so if there is a creator, it is incompetent at best

How do you prove that?
If anything can see similarity of generative a.i. and evolution. The purposeful design here being humans are lazy and get tired so it is easier to design stuff to form on its own.
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