Current Events > Ramaswamy is now polling 4th in republican polling

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the_pika posted...

Lmao TC got wrecked and never came
back

Has a decades long history of this happening

Lmao, imagine expecting the racist GOP to vote for this guy en masse, especially with Sweet Potato Hitler on the ballot.

NightingaleMD posted...

That attitude poisons this country

"All x is bad"

"All y is evil"

You're a part of the problem

Ok so what is it that Republicans are doing to convince anyone they are not all evil, because from what I can tell there hasn't been a single one to denounce Nazis showing up to their rallies, nor has there been a single one trying to stand up for marginalized groups that are constantly under attack by their party and voters. If you are party to evil people it is only fair to assume you are also evil.

@NightingaleMD

Ramaswamy's solution to the fact that Gen Z despises the Republican Party is to not offer a change in ideas but to raise the voting age from 18 to 25. Not really sure why OP thinks that's a good thing, but Ramaswamy is forever tied to the fact he paid editors on Wikipedia to hide his ties to the WEF. He's donezo for 30-40% of the Republican base the moment those attack ads get launched.

This, of course, would imply anybody needs to launch attack ads at him at all. He's polling 4th at a whole 6% in a primary Trump has already essentially won by default.

Side note but it is funny how whenever he pops up at some rally it's like 4-5 people who are 70 or 80 years old and it's just him talking like a robot. Anybody pushing him fundamentally misunderstands American Politics

other choice ideas OP thinks is good

-Invading Mexico
-Accepting climate change's causes but just doing more oil drilling anyway
-Widespread abortion bans
-Pardoning Trump no matter what his conviction would look like
-Adding RFJ Jr to the ticket, a guy who thinks vaccines cause autism

these are all real things Ramaswamy has publicly stated so to some extent I understand why OP bailed and didn't want to defend this guy considering Vivek is, you know, evil

Ruvan22 posted...

While I agree "evil" is a strong word to use, would you agree that "The majority of Republican candidates and party members support anti LGBTQ legislation" seems a reasonable statement?

There is nuance there

our main global competitor is China. Whether you acknowledge this or not we have a vested interest in keeping Taiwan free from mainland PRC. There is a very good chance by 2027 we'll be dragged into a war over that region, possibly marking a true third world war (if ukraine doesn't devolve to this first). It's something you'll probably end up supporting especially since right now if China took Taiwan you'd never seen another cell phone/computer/laptop/car ever again due to majority of chips being manufactured there.

This is being mitigated by the attempt to ramp up domestic production. However that infrastructure will take many, many years to bring into something meaningful.

Circling back to your point, China as a competitor isn't spending even one single Yuan on DEI initiatives. They're a largely homogenous population driven under an authoritarian regime to be productive. Ramaswamy is staunchly anti-woke for the purpose clearly delineated in his book as not being productive. If we spend all our efforts and time the next several years catering to the thoughts and feelings of every american we're setting ourselves up to lose the next world war.

He does have positions I don't agree with. I'm liberal on some social issues--ie, I dgaf about abortion. So many other things to worry about. Wanna kill 5 of your fetuses? do it. I don't wanna know about it. At least he allows exceptions and a firm time window.

But ultimately you have to vote for the candidate that has positions that are majority in line with your own thoughts. My concern is democrats simply can't govern. What are they doing putting biden up again????? Tell me!!!!! That dude has dementia for sure, why are you voting for someone that should be in a nursing home? This country is almost definitely run by his staff, voting for him is simply disingenuous.

At least he allows exceptions and a firm time window.

6 weeks is not a firm or workable time window and I'm sorry to say that most voters do, in fact, care about abortion rights. Republicans had the worst out-of-party performance in a Midterm in decades entirely because they are now the "Ban abortion" party. No prolife candidates were winning any seriously contested races. Maybe think about this when you hitch yourself to a candidate.

NightingaleMD posted...

democrats simply can't govern

How can you say this when you supported Donald Trump?

Zero_Destroyer posted...

other choice ideas OP thinks is good

-Invading Mexico

No

The war on drugs is a failure. Every cartel we dismantle will reappear somewhere else as another cartel. This is what media won't tell you or acknowledge. Supply side "war" is pointless. It has never nor will it ever work, unless you wanna be like the Taliban. They've...taken to an extreme if you've been paying attention to the news. 80% of poppy fields are gone now in Afghanistan. That's just after US abandoned there.

-Accepting climate change's causes but just doing more oil drilling anyway

Not at all. I definitely believe it's real, but see previous post. Dems can't govern. It's actually a part of why I so strongly support Elon. Elon also knows this planet is fucked. It's probably too late to save at this point. Colonize mars.

-Widespread abortion bans

not at all

-Pardoning Trump no matter what his conviction would look like

DOJ should cut a deal with him. Pardon him in exchange for not running for office. Go an olive branch route.

-Adding RFJ Jr to the ticket, a guy who thinks vaccines cause autism

It's really too bad he is so focused on that. Have you ever read about his work on environmental law? He's adamant that the EPA is run by the oil and gas corporations and he's 100% right. He's so, so good and has such a great record outside of the vaccine thing. he just really....backed the wrong horse there.

these are all real things Ramaswamy has publicly stated so to some extent I understand why OP bailed and didn't want to defend this guy considering Vivek is, you know, evil

A pretty big stretch of some of his positions but as I said, vote with whomever you match with most. There is no candidate that is 100% my viewpoint.

Being anti-diversity because we might have to go to war someday is the dumbest fucking thing I'll read all month and it's only the 3rd

NightingaleMD posted...

There is nuance there

our main global competitor is China. Whether you acknowledge this or not we have a vested interest in keeping Taiwan free from mainland PRC. There is a very good chance by 2027 we'll be dragged into a war over that region, possibly marking a true third world war (if ukraine doesn't devolve to this first). It's something you'll probably end up supporting especially since right now if China took Taiwan you'd never seen another cell phone/computer/laptop/car ever again due to majority of chips being manufactured there.

This is being mitigated by the attempt to ramp up domestic production. However that infrastructure will take many, many years to bring into something meaningful.

Circling back to your point, China as a competitor isn't spending even one single Yuan on DEI initiatives. They're a largely homogenous population

hoo boy. You have no idea. :

China legally recognizes 56 distinct ethnic groups, who altogether comprise the Zhonghua minzu.

driven under an authoritarian regime to be productive. Ramaswamy is staunchly anti-woke for the purpose clearly delineated in his book as not being productive. If we spend all our efforts and time the next several years catering to the thoughts and feelings of every american we're setting ourselves up to lose the next world war.

He does have positions I don't agree with. I'm liberal on some social issues--ie, I dgaf about abortion. So many other things to worry about. Wanna kill 5 of your fetuses? do it. I don't wanna know about it. At least he allows exceptions and a firm time window.

But ultimately you have to vote for the candidate that has positions that are majority in line with your own thoughts. My concern is democrats simply can't govern. What are they doing putting biden up again????? Tell me!!!!! That dude has dementia for sure, why are you voting for someone that should be in a nursing home? This country is almost definitely run by his staff, voting for him is simply disingenuous.

lmao. Ok, illuminate us, what does woke mean?

DarthAragorn posted...

Being anti-diversity because we might have to go to war someday is the dumbest fucking thing I'll read all month and it's only the 3rd

not to mention that its be really odd to be anti-diversity because there might be a war and then suddenly trying to recruit everyone

Youd think Larry Elder would be doing a bit better than he is, but I guess almost all of his potential voters are going for Trump.

But yeah, Ramaswamys the sleeper success of the polls so far. Maybe a less entertaining version Herman Cain.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ok so what is it that Republicans are doing to convince anyone they are not all evil, because from what I can tell there hasn't been a single one to denounce Nazis showing up to their rallies, nor has there been a single one trying to stand up for marginalized groups that are constantly under attack by their party and voters. If you are party to evil people it is only fair to assume you are also evil.

@NightingaleMD

You seemed to have missed this post.

@NightingaleMD

the_pika posted...

hoo boy. You have no idea. :

China legally recognizes 56 distinct ethnic groups, who altogether comprise the Zhonghua minzu.

How many genders do they recognize

NightingaleMD posted...

How many genders do they recognize

what does that have to do with the fact that you called them a homogeneous population?

Well we can certainly see why you're a fan of nutjob republicans

NightingaleMD posted...

Supply side "war" is pointless. It has never nor will it ever work, unless you wanna be like the Taliban. They've...taken to an extreme if you've been paying attention to the news. 80% of poppy fields are gone now in Afghanistan. That's just after US abandoned there.

There's maybe an alternate interpretation to opium production going down following US withdrawal.

NightingaleMD posted...

How many genders do they recognize

How in the biblical fuck were you ever a mod? Jesus christ, dude.

NightingaleMD posted...

A pretty big stretch of some of his positions but as I said, vote with whomever you match with most. There is no candidate that is 100% my viewpoint.

Alright, fair enough - you don't support all his positions. But why support an interventionalist that wants to curtail civil rights? This person reads as a Bush-era ghoul that wants a nation prepared for "war" and is willing to wage lesser wars and tie concepts of citizenship and voting rights to milittary service, which itself is a concept lampooned by a myriad of dystopian novels because it blatantly encourages an economy of perpetual warfare.

It's remixes on shit we've done & rejected in the 00s. Bush was bad. The Iraq War was bad. The "War on Terror" was a cataclysmic failure. You can't sell the American public on the idea that we "need" to become foreign interventionalists because the United States of the last 5 to 6 decades is a story of failed interventions.

Maybe if you had some cogent idea on China as a threat, I'd get why you are attempting to sell it, but calling an ethnically diverse country a homogenous one shows you don't actually recognize what China even is at a baseline. So, from the perspective of "I don't know what China is, we gotta be prepared for war with them," you'd find great company with the people who engineered the Iraq War.

Not at all. I definitely believe it's real, but see previous post. Dems can't govern. It's actually a part of why I so strongly support Elon. Elon also knows this planet is fucked. It's probably too late to save at this point. Colonize mars.

Musk isn't a visionary nor is he competent. The entire debacle with Twitter has largely demystified him as someone who rolls into ideas and fucks them up. He publicly admitted he never intended to build a Hyperloop, and his car loop is a marvel of bad engineering & ideas;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dn6ZVpJLxs

The premise that colonizing Mars is easier than repairing the planet is completely insane and engaging in doomerism about it is at the benefit of billionaires like Musk who will not feel the serious consequences of Climate Change. It's silly. There's plenty that can be done to combat a warming atmosphere and none of it involved buying into Vivek's idea of "do it anyway."

Do you have any macro sense of these things? Do you understand that Vivek would demolish the EPA and appoint people to rob & crack regulatory bodies that lessen natural disasters? It would fall under a broad, populist bubble of "We don't need the governments help" while five more rail disasters happen a year. This is exactly what happened under Trump and it's the product of letting businesses run public utilities, and this is DIRECTLY tied to Vivek's completely insane and irresponsible plan of ignoring the fire in the room.

lol @ TC

NightingaleMD posted...

How many genders do they recognize

This is no different from dipshits like Jesse Helms opposing gays in the military because it "weakens our troops." It's the exact same logic; deny reality, deny science, deny civil rights because (according to the people who do not understand and do not support those things) it somehow makes your country "weak."

Vivek is not new. He is not bold. He is repackaging neoconservatism, a failed ideology that collapsed under the weight of its unelectability once people saw what it looked like. It only still exists under the surface of right wing populists who want to fool people like you into supporting the same bad idea we've tried already.

all of this should be obvious btw because (again) he basically wants to make it illegal for Gen Z to vote

Name me a successful or fair or non-evil political movement that sought to deny civil rights to tens of millions of people as a reaction to that group merely disliking and voting against that movement's ideas. You can't.

NightingaleMD posted...

My concern is democrats simply can't govern. What are they doing putting biden up again????? Tell me!!!!! That dude has dementia for sure, why are you voting for someone that should be in a nursing home? This country is almost definitely run by his staff, voting for him is simply disingenuous.

WTF no one with a brain can say Republicans can govern when their platform is culture war shit. What bills does the GOP pass that help average americans. They voted against IRA, held up the debt for nothing, and against Affordable Connectivity Program. What bills have they put forth? Fucking nothing but protect gas stoves.

• H.R. 1: Lower Energy Costs Act (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 5: Parents Bill of Rights Act (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 7: No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion and Abortion Insurance Full Disclosure Act of 2023
• H.R. 21: Strategic Production Response Act (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 22: Protecting America's Strategic Petroleum Reserve from China Act (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 23: Family and Small Business Taxpayer Protection Act (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 25: FairTax Act of 2023
• H.R. 26: Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 27: Prosecutors Need to Prosecute Act
• H.R. 28: Illegal Alien NICS Alert Act
• H.R. 29: Border Safety and Security Act of 2023
• H.R. 51: Washington, D.C., Admission Act
• H.R. 277: Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 734: Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2023 (awaiting action in the Senate)
• H.R. 2811: Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 (incorporated into Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023)

Its not to figure out which reps put forth culture shit.

So TC is really going with the "letting Republicans legislate trans people out of existence is good" angle, huh? Your rant about that somehow tying into us not being able to compete with China and losing a war is absolutely batshit insane. Like you're completely divorced from reality, holy shit.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

Musk isn't a visionary nor is he competent. The entire debacle with Twitter has largely demystified him as someone who rolls into ideas and fucks them up. He publicly admitted he never intended to build a Hyperloop, and his car loop is a marvel of bad engineering & ideas;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dn6ZVpJLxs

Thanks for posting that donoteat video. Throughout his podcast, Well There's Your Problem, there's been a lot of good points about why Musk is a dipshit and that putting him at the forefront of engineering innovation is a stupid idea.

Apparently TC's grasp on engineering, logistics, and climate science is just as shaky as grasp on social issues.

imagine being anti biden when he is the guy strengthening the united states on the global stage more than any potus since fdr while also weakening russia to the point of collapse without putting a single boot on the ground.

also lmao at celebrating a guy being 4th in the gop primary when the gop has an obvious cult leader that will be the nominee even if he is in prison.

andel posted...

imagine being anti biden when he is the guy strengthening the united states on the global stage more than any potus since fdr while also weakening russia to the point of collapse without putting a single boot on the ground.

Were you also a ronald reagan fan?

1337toothbrush posted...

Were you also a ronald reagan fan?

the guy that gutted the us from the inside out? no. i am a fan of the guy that is strengthening nato and the us from the inside out while destroying putin via negligible amounts of foreign aid.

i didn't forget you are a putin sympathizer though. must suck for you now that biden and zelenskky are destroying russia and the putin regime ?

Oh yeah, I remember him. He's nothing but a Diet DeSantis if you can imagine that. "Bring back the American spirit" lol

andel posted...

the guy that gutted the us from the inside out? no. i am a fan of the guy that is strengthening nato and the us from the inside out while destroying putin via negligible amounts of foreign aid.

i didn't forget you are a putin sympathizer though. must suck for you now that biden and zelenskky are destroying russia and the putin regime ?

Biden is basically a continuation of Reagan (the democratic party has been since at least the Clinton days) so I was just wondering.

I don't sympathize with putin at all, please stop lying about me. May he get blown apart when Ukraine rolls in on Moscow, I don't really give a shit about him. I will say, though, that the outcome won't necessarily be as great as you think it will be, just like how the situation in Iraq didn't become great after the capture and execution of Saddam Hussein.

Caelthus posted...

How in the biblical fuck were you ever a mod? Jesus christ, dude.

If Admiral can be a mod...

I remember when Admiral said black people were a separate species of human

For however silly OP's suggestions are I don't think any former mod can be at Admiral's level of ignorance

NightingaleMD posted...

No

The war on drugs is a failure. Every cartel we dismantle will reappear somewhere else as another cartel. This is what media won't tell you or acknowledge. Supply side "war" is pointless. It has never nor will it ever work, unless you wanna be like the Taliban. They've...taken to an extreme if you've been paying attention to the news. 80% of poppy fields are gone now in Afghanistan. That's just after US abandoned there.

Not at all. I definitely believe it's real, but see previous post. Dems can't govern. It's actually a part of why I so strongly support Elon. Elon also knows this planet is fucked. It's probably too late to save at this point. Colonize mars.
not at all

DOJ should cut a deal with him. Pardon him in exchange for not running for office. Go an olive branch route.

It's really too bad he is so focused on that. Have you ever read about his work on environmental law? He's adamant that the EPA is run by the oil and gas corporations and he's 100% right. He's so, so good and has such a great record outside of the vaccine thing. he just really....backed the wrong horse there.

A pretty big stretch of some of his positions but as I said, vote with whomever you match with most. There is no candidate that is 100% my viewpoint.

You are not someone to be taken seriously or respected

1337toothbrush posted...

Biden is basically a continuation of Reagan (the democratic party has been since at least the Clinton days) so I was just wondering.

I don't sympathize with putin at all, please stop lying about me. May he get blown apart when Ukraine rolls in on Moscow, I don't really give a shit about him. I will say, though, that the outcome won't necessarily be as great as you think it will be, just like how the situation in Iraq didn't become great after the capture and execution of Saddam Hussein.

you have been suspended multiple times for defending russian war crimes in ukraine, you aren't fooling anyone

and lmao at equating biden to reagan

andel posted...

you have been suspended multiple times for defending russian war crimes in ukraine, you aren't fooling anyone

and lmao at equating biden to reagan

But he totally isn't a MAGA

All he does is complain about black people. That is the fastest way to get a head.

NightingaleMD posted...

DOJ should cut a deal with him. Pardon him in exchange for not running for office. Go an olive branch route.

This is delusional.

I doubt there is a single moral, ethical republican in the entire party. Even the worst Democrat is better than the best republican. The republicans actions for decades have proven this, its not even a matter of opinion

Somehow I find it hard to believe that Republican voters will vote for a guy named Ramaswamy

idk why though

Kloe_Rinz posted...

I doubt there is a single moral, ethical republican in the entire party. Even the worst Democrat is better than the best republican. The republicans actions for decades have proven this, its not even a matter of opinion

Eh, I'd probably vote for Phil Scott over Joe Manchin

Will_VIIII posted...

But he totally isn't a MAGA

he has been simping for russia since the invasions started and got suspended a few times on 261 for excusing russian war crimes. i guess now that russia is obviously getting destroyed he is trying to backtrack but tags don't forget

NightingaleMD posted...

That attitude poisons this country

"All x is bad"

"All y is evil"

You're a part of the problem

No. Republican politicians are part of the problem. All they have is "X is bad. Y is evil."

"B-b-but people on the Internet say the evil people are evil, so really everyone is a part of the problem."

Offering a hand to the person who vows to chop off your arm just makes you look like an idiot, not part of the solution.

andel posted...

you have been suspended multiple times for defending russian war crimes in ukraine, you aren't fooling anyone

and lmao at equating biden to reagan

No, I have been suspended multiple times because of liars like you constantly lying about my stances and then mods, swamped by you (and others like you) mass marking my posts with bs explanations, thought they should believe you because if you tell a lie enough times it becomes the truth.

If you can't see the similarities between Reagan and the modern democratic party then you're just living in denial.

NightingaleMD posted...

Dems can't govern.

And you honestly believe that the GOP can? When they have been even worse for the economy--among other things--every time they take the reins?

It's actually a part of why I so strongly support Elon.

LMAO Elon is a grade-A idiot who can't even properly run a social networking site without it blowing up in his face. Nevermind the hard rightward turn he took the platform in general. But I'm sure that's why you support him anyway.

NightingaleMD posted...

That attitude poisons this country

"All x is bad"

"All y is evil"

You're a part of the problem

Heres a list of every republican that isnt terrible:

I'd love to see a conservative on CE actually try to convince LGBTQ people or pro-choicers why the GOP is right for them.

And by actually addressing those issues, not deflecting to gas prices and inflation and CHINA.

Solar_Crimson posted...

LMAO Elon is a grade-A idiot who can't even properly run a social networking site without it blowing up in his face. Nevermind the hard rightward turn he took the platform in general. But I'm sure that's why you support him anyway.

I'm pretty sure I'd also be a "genius entrepreneur" if I was born as an heir to an emerald mine. It was so easy to fuck up Twitter and he managed to make every wrong choice. Some genius he turned out to be.

NightingaleMD posted...

Elon also knows this planet is fucked. It's probably too late to save at this point. Colonize mars.

Earth is about 9 quintillion times more savable than Mars is. On Mars the soil and air are poison and the radiation would kill a human. Theres no water or food. Colonizing Mars is definitely impossible now, and probably impossible ever.

Elon Musk is remarkably stupid and you have to be extremely gullible to fall for his nonsense.