Board 8 > Netflix One Piece trailer is here.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/17/23 6:31:17 PM
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https://twitter.com/onepiecenetflix/status/1670196120100691968?s=19

I mean...

Yeah OK, I mean it could be worse considering it's not actually possible to make this good.

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swordz9
06/17/23 6:35:46 PM
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Thought I recognized Luffy. He was in The Imperfects on Netflix. Wonder if thats going to get another season
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LightningStrikes
06/17/23 6:39:05 PM
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Looks good, actually translated the style to live action well (which I was never as sceptical about as some, TV VFX have cone a long way), the cast is good, but in the end it comes down to the script.

It would be nice to have a version of One Piece that is not needlessly long and horribly paced so I hope this is both good and doesnt get cancelled right away.

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WazzupGenius00
06/17/23 6:48:28 PM
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Not a crew
No they dont

making the exact same mistake as Cowboy Bebop, being ashamed of what it is and making cynical jokes to undercut it

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CoolCly
06/17/23 6:53:47 PM
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i'm going in with the lowest of expectations and this might just overcome the cringe enough to be fun

WazzupGenius00 posted...
Not a crew
No they dont

making the exact same mistake as Cowboy Bebop, being ashamed of what it is and making cynical jokes to undercut it


i see exactly what you are saying, but the strawhats call out luffy's dumbshit like that non stop with the angry reaction face with sharp teeth(which would NOT work in live action), so its possible that this implementation could actually work


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UshiromiyaEva
06/17/23 6:56:21 PM
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8 1-hour long episodes confirmed.

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hombad46
06/17/23 6:57:55 PM
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CoolCly posted...
i see exactly what you are saying, but the strawhats call out luffy's dumbshit like that non stop with the angry reaction face with sharp teeth(which would NOT work in live action), so its possible that this implementation could actually work

But one of those is about calling out attacks, which sure sounds like being ashamed of being a battle shonen to me.

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colliding
06/17/23 7:00:24 PM
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It's a shame because the sets actually are extremely impressive and the casting actually seems pretty good. But of all manga, One Piece seems impossible to do justice to in live action.

There's this idea in entertainment that "some people won't watch cartoons/animation, but they will watch live action shows." So I guess they thought that this show might reach this mythical demographic. To me, this feels like an antiquated idea. People are just going to watch the anime. All you're going to do is animate an extremely vocal fan base who takes their hobby very seriously.

Tl:dr: I don't know why people keep trying to do live action adaptations of manga/anime. It's never going to work! Animation is a superior medium and there's no stigma attached to "watching cartoons" anymore.


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ChaosTonyV4
06/17/23 7:00:42 PM
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Zoro actually looks cool, I don't know if it can overcome how goofy Luffy is though.

CoolCly posted...


i see exactly what you are saying, but the strawhats call out luffy's dumbs*** like that non stop with the angry reaction face with sharp teeth(which would NOT work in live action), so its possible that this implementation could actually work

They call him out when he says silly shit, but once they join the crew, they are all deadly serious about part of that crew.

hombad46 posted...
But one of those is about calling out attacks, which sure sounds like being ashamed of being a battle shonen to me.

Also yeah, Zoro definitely calls out his attacks.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/17/23 7:03:04 PM
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There at plenty of anime that could work live action, but they never try it with those anime.

Live action Baccano is a slam fucking dunk.

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NBIceman
06/17/23 7:05:15 PM
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I'll stay cautiously optimistic. If nothing else, the casting is miles better than Cowboy Bebop's. I will say I'm not sold on Luffy yet from this trailer, though, which would be kind of a problem.

WazzupGenius00 posted...
Not a crew
No they dont

making the exact same mistake as Cowboy Bebop, being ashamed of what it is and making cynical jokes to undercut it
I'm with you on the attack callout thing but I don't know what the issue is with "Not a crew." That looks like it's coming from before Nami officially joins when she's still fairly antagonistic to the guys.

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GANON1025
06/17/23 7:07:33 PM
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One problem, the One Piece anime is not great. At least pacing-wise, it's very daunting. It's hard to recommend it to people, unlike something like Cowboy Bebop. So if this show is decent enough, it could encourage anime/manga likes who are put off by the anime to read the manga!

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colliding
06/17/23 7:13:47 PM
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Also Luffy doesn't sound right. And by that I mean he doesn't sound like a five year old in a teenager's body.

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Samurai7
06/17/23 7:15:42 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
One problem, the One Piece anime is not great. At least pacing-wise, it's very daunting. It's hard to recommend it to people, unlike something like Cowboy Bebop. So if this show is decent enough, it could encourage anime/manga likes who are put off by the anime to read the manga!

The most popular manga of all time isn't great

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RyoCaliente
06/17/23 7:17:51 PM
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hombad46 posted...
But one of those is about calling out attacks, which sure sounds like being ashamed of being a battle shonen to me.
But it's not really a battle shonen anymore. I have mixed feelings about the trailer, but it is good that they're actually making an adaptation, rather than trying to go 1:1 which would probably have worked out way worse.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Also yeah, Zoro definitely calls out his attacks.
I think the problem is that Zoro's attacks are all Japanese (and food puns iirc) and if you literally translate them, most of them sound really dumb. It's no problem for Luffy to sound really dumb, because that's Luffy, but for Zoro it would take away some edge I think. And keeping them Japanese would just be weird if the live-action is more Anglo-centric.

GANON1025 posted...
One problem, the One Piece anime is not great. At least pacing-wise, it's very daunting. It's hard to recommend it to people, unlike something like Cowboy Bebop. So if this show is decent enough, it could encourage anime/manga likes who are put off by the anime to read the manga!

One Piece has few, if any, pacing issues until like episode 300 at which point you should be invested enough to stick with it until like 500-600 when it becomes actually bad and you can then just go to the manga.

Anyway, I have mixed feelings but overall it didn't look as bad as I thought it would. I think my main issue was the bad cinematography and Nami's wig. Who would've thought that with Zoro and Sanji, she'd come out looking the worst? It looked better in the 'not a crew' scene, but still.

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CoolCly
06/17/23 7:19:12 PM
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hombad46 posted...


But one of those is about calling out attacks, which sure sounds like being ashamed of being a battle shonen to me.


well they absolutely cannot keeping calling out attacks like they do in this trailer, that was cringe af. there's only so much cringe they can overcome

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Sorozone
06/17/23 7:25:21 PM
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Buggy looks insane.

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GANON1025
06/17/23 7:27:44 PM
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Samurai7 posted...
The most popular manga of all time isn't great

What? I love One Piece, I read the manga every week (when it's not on break). What makes you think I don't like the manga?

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Sorozone
06/17/23 7:29:53 PM
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One Piece Manga is great! But I think the last few years Oda's paneling has gotten a lot worse and cluttered.

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Pirateking2000
06/17/23 7:40:18 PM
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lol sure let's see where this goes. They seem to be having fun.

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LightningStrikes
06/17/23 8:15:38 PM
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Samurai7 posted...
The most popular manga of all time isn't great

Correct.

This is actually a huge problem with the One Piece fandom more generally, using its popularity (which to this day is disproportionately in Japan) as some sort of proof of quality. Bad stuff gets popular all the time. Not to say its bad, just that its telling that that is your go to.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/17/23 8:16:42 PM
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I don't think OP has been truly great since the time jump.

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hombad46
06/17/23 8:19:39 PM
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I'd say the current arc is in contention for top 5 at least if it can stick the landing.

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SHINE_GET_64
06/17/23 8:26:14 PM
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will watch, but keeping expectations low

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UshiromiyaEva
06/17/23 8:27:25 PM
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hombad46 posted...
I'd say the current arc is in contention for top 5 at least if it can stick the landing.

I have been enjoying this non-Straw Hat stuff quite a bit. A nice reprieve after Yano went on for at least a year longer than it should have.

I really didn't care for the stuff between Yano and the current side arc at all, though. I got back to the point where I was just skimming chapters and zoning out that caused me to quit the first time around back when Wano started.

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TeamRocketElite
06/17/23 8:27:52 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
There at plenty of anime that could work live action, but they never try it with those anime.

Live action Baccano is a slam fucking dunk.


Death Note absolutely can work as a live action. Netflix just botched it.

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LightningStrikes
06/17/23 8:27:52 PM
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But also, not to diminish One Pieces incredible popularity, but of course it is the highest selling manga overall when it has over 100 volumes. Per volume Demon Slayer and Dragon Ball have sold more for instance, but One Piece has nearly 2x the sheer amount of stuff to sell! Though of course even per volume the numbers are pretty damn high, but given the series frankly comical length it obviously not is a comparison you can make fairly.

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paperwarior
06/17/23 8:40:04 PM
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The tone of Cowboy Bebop is less wacky overall than One Piece. Is that an acceptable statement? The bigger problem is all the fantasy elements that are going to need to be layered over the live action as CGI.

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LightningStrikes
06/17/23 8:45:31 PM
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It must be said this series has one thing going for it Cowboy Bebop never did: a reason to exist. There is absolutely a need for a more concise high budget version of One Piece. Nobody needed an already short, highly accessible series like Cowboy Bebop to have its stories increased to twice their length.

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paperwarior
06/17/23 8:48:27 PM
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Well that and the fact actors dressing like these characters inherently have the vibe of second-rate cosplayers. It doesn't matter who they cast. Who would be convincing as Homer Simpson in live-action?

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swordz9
06/17/23 8:48:57 PM
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paperwarior posted...
Well that and the fact actors dressing like these characters inherently have the vibe of second-rate cosplayers. It doesn't matter who they cast. Who would be convincing as Homer Simpson in live-action?
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SHINE_GET_64
06/17/23 8:53:58 PM
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LightningStrikes posted...
It must be said this series has one thing going for it Cowboy Bebop never did: a reason to exist. There is absolutely a need for a more concise high budget version of One Piece. Nobody needed an already short, highly accessible series like Cowboy Bebop to have its stories increased to twice their length.

Toei will undoubtedly just do a Dragon Ball Kai equivelent for One Piece eventually. There's a fan effort going on right now for Wano and which cuts out about 45% of it

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GANON1025
06/17/23 9:25:15 PM
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https://twitter.com/TCBScans/status/1670208523546894339/photo/1

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MartinFF7
06/17/23 10:16:15 PM
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Nami, more like Nerfedi
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Sorozone
06/17/23 10:23:42 PM
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I also hate Netflix's 'look'.

I'm not well versed in cinematography or anything so I don't know the technical terms behind it, but the production just looks so, cheap? Even when the pump money into projects it still is so off putting.

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greengravy294
06/17/23 10:28:36 PM
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looks pretty bad

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Kenri
06/17/23 10:44:54 PM
#37:


CoolCly posted...
well they absolutely cannot keeping calling out attacks like they do in this trailer, that was cringe af. there's only so much cringe they can overcome
Don't kill the cringe, kill the part of you that cringes.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/17/23 10:48:25 PM
#38:


Sometimes you have to kill cringe before you become Kingdom Hearts Parking Lot or Homestuck Spit Bucket.

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Kenri
06/17/23 10:56:21 PM
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I don't know what those things are and I think I'm happy about that.

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paperwarior
06/17/23 11:08:53 PM
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Do they have a Kingdom Hearts parking lot at Disney World or something?

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MacArrowny
06/18/23 12:16:39 AM
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Sorozone posted...
I also hate Netflix's 'look'.

I'm not well versed in cinematography or anything so I don't know the technical terms behind it, but the production just looks so, cheap? Even when the pump money into projects it still is so off putting.
I've never had this problem with Netflix shows. Sense8, Stranger Things, Daredevil, etc. all look great.

RyoCaliente posted...
One Piece has few, if any, pacing issues until like episode 300 at which point you should be invested enough to stick with it until like 500-600 when it becomes actually bad and you can then just go to the manga.
I watched ~200 episodes and dropped the anime for the manga. The pacing should absolutely be faster even for those earlier parts. 3 chapters per episode would've been much better than the 1.5 or 2 they did early on.

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pjbasis
06/18/23 1:42:57 AM
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I think only East Blue is paced like a "modern" shonen.

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TomNook7
06/18/23 9:05:57 AM
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Gonna stay optimistic and open minded. The practical sets are gorgeous and the casting is

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Maniac64
06/18/23 9:49:39 AM
#44:


swordz9 posted...
Thought I recognized Luffy. He was in The Imperfects on Netflix. Wonder if thats going to get another season

Netflix cancelled it.

LightningStrikes posted...
But also, not to diminish One Pieces incredible popularity, but of course it is the highest selling manga overall when it has over 100 volumes.[...]Though of course even per volume the numbers are pretty damn high, but given the series frankly comical length it obviously not is a comparison you can make fairly.
That's why you compare it to comics, which has similar massive series and high sales. Batman, Spider-Man, Superman are the only ones in One Piece's range.

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Samurai7
06/18/23 10:00:28 AM
#45:


LightningStrikes posted...
Correct.

This is actually a huge problem with the One Piece fandom more generally, using its popularity (which to this day is disproportionately in Japan) as some sort of proof of quality. Bad stuff gets popular all the time. Not to say its bad, just that its telling that that is your go to.

The primary objective of this type of media is to entertain people. It has succeeded at entertaining a lot of people. Popularity may not be the best way to rate quality for many products, but when the products goal is entertainment it is. I can personally think popular media is good, but that doesn't change the general consensus, and on a completely objective such as books, movies, novels, etc that is the primary metric.

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paperwarior
06/18/23 10:08:21 AM
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I suppose "Being popular indicates it's good" is at least a more compelling argument than "being popular indicates it's bad". The only thing citing its popularity as a strength indicates is that it's popular enough for that to be a strength.

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colliding
06/18/23 10:12:32 AM
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Samurai7 posted...
The primary objective of this type of media is to entertain people. It has succeeded at entertaining a lot of people. Popularity may not be the best way to rate quality for many products, but when the products goal is entertainment it is. I can personally think popular media isn't good, but that doesn't change the general consensus, and on a completely objective subject such as books, movies, novels, etc that is the primary metric.

"General Consensus" should never be used as a metric of quality

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paperwarior
06/18/23 10:15:55 AM
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Other than "individual opinion", what is another metric of subjective quality?

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Maniac64
06/18/23 11:07:23 AM
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I mean there tons of people who will be happy to rave about the good qualities of One Piece (like me).

From great characters, incredible world building, compelling stories, engaging mysteries, etc.

It's hardly just "it's popular so it's good".

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LightningStrikes
06/18/23 3:29:19 PM
#50:


Maniac64 posted...
That's why you compare it to comics, which has similar massive series and high sales. Batman, Spider-Man, Superman are the only ones in One Piece's range.


Well yeah because superhero comics sales have been terrible for decades, even the collected volumes. Even excluding sales in Japan, manga sales absolutely outclass western teen/adult comics sales. For instance in the US last year the top seller from either of the big two (or any) superhero publishers, Batman: Year One, came in at #257. Marvel did especially badly with only one title (Moon Knight) in the top 750! That compares with a still awful 20 for DC. By contrast the top selling manga volume (and top selling teen/adult graphic novel in general), Chainsaw Man #1, outsold that highest selling Marvel volume by about 15 times! Superhero comics sales are nothing compared to manga sales these days.

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