Current Events > An article criticizing the recent death in Amazing Spider-Man comic SPOILERS

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https://comicbook.com/comics/news/kamala-khan-ms-marvel-death-asm-26-spoilers-fridging-female-characters/

Comics have a long history of killing off female characters so that male super heroes can have a grief arc. It also isn't a good look that they did this to a Muslim icon.

meanwhile when a major male character dies they come back to life -_-

She'll still be alive in the other 22 storylines they got going, I imagine.

Not a good look. Not a good look. The poor vulnerable marginalized minorities. The poor women. Yikes.

And killed her off in someone else's story she barely appeared in as well.

Meh, this is done on purpose to gather clouts, she won't be permanently dead. She'll return in a year or two with power ups.

Death in comics is entirely meaningless.

studies show that catering to the LGBT+ crowd isn't helping comic sales since these people don't even buy comics. But why exactly is manga selling so well despite being problematic?

Crazyman93 posted...

Death in comics is entirely meaningless.

this lol

There's only a few people who stayed dead in Marvel comics.

it doesn't matter if the character comes back to life or not, the problem is that a female love interest will most of the time die just so the male mc can have a grief arc. Think of all the big deaths in comics over the decades. You can think of dozens of girls (one even being found in a refrigerator) and when it comes to guys there uh....

Robin.

Spider Man's been having a bad time every time I look at one of his comics, Does Marvel think the only way to write him is to torture the fuck out of him? Even the video games do it now, I miss Ultimate Spider man and Shattered Dimensions those were fun stories, even those old games based off the tv show in the 90s were fun, the hell is this?

Yea, we all know she is coming back. That's not the issue. Its how they treated her in Peter's story. She should have at least died in her own story and not as a side character in a Spider-Man story. And apparently she didn't get killed by a major villain. Like it would have been better if she had some heroic sacrifice moment against a serious enemy like Doctor Doom or Galactus and saves everyone

She apparently got killed by some street level serial killer

"Muslim icon" lmao

Zikten posted...

She apparently got killed by some street level serial killer

Jesus Christ, Marvel

Zikten posted...

She apparently got killed by some street level serial killer

That's not entirely fair, he was using the stolen power of an evil Mayan god named Wayep

They did it to make people talk about it.
She will return in time for her MCU movie.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

"Muslim icon" lmao

which other Muslim superheroes are there?

Foppe posted...

They did it to make people talk about it.
She will return in time for her MCU movie.

Oh, everyone knows. The current X-Men storyline has them with some kind of resurrection engine on their own island nation of Krakoa so mutants don't die right now. The MCU version of Kamala turned out to be a mutant, but the comic version is an Inhuman. People are betting she wakes up on Krakoa and it turns out she's been a mutant this whole time. Bonus (negative?) points if her powers also change to the spectral construct powers she has in the MCU as opposed to her stretch powers.

pegusus123456 posted...

Bonus (negative?) points if her powers also change to the spectral construct powers she has in the MCU as opposed to her stretch powers.

Yeah this is the most likely scenario. They killed her so she can be brought back with matching design with the MCU.

what happens more in comic books?

a love interest dying or a male best friend/male relative dying (that happens outside of an origin story) ?

thronedfire2 posted...

which other Muslim superheroes are there?

Sooraya Qadir / Dust
Simon Baz / Green Lantern
Monet St. Croix
Bilal Aisselah / Nightrunner
Dr. Faiza Hussain
Joshia X / Black Captain America
Kahina Eskandari
Etc etc

shnangyboos posted...

Not a good look. Not a good look. The poor vulnerable marginalized minorities. The poor women. Yikes.

Chud take.

tremain07 posted...

Spider Man's been having a bad time every time I look at one of his comics, Does Marvel think the only way to write him is to torture the fuck out of him? Even the video games do it now, I miss Ultimate Spider man and Shattered Dimensions those were fun stories, even those old games based off the tv show in the 90s were fun, the hell is this?

Yes. Marvel loves torturing him for some reason and making sure he's never happy. Every time he's with MJ and his life is going well they have to do something to make sure he's not happy and breaks up with her.

Well in Superior Spiderman, Peter Parker dies himself, so who fucking knows at this point.

Having said that though, Superior Spiderman is a fantastic read.

tremain07 posted...

Spider Man's been having a bad time every time I look at one of his comics, Does Marvel think the only way to write him is to torture the fuck out of him? Even the video games do it now, I miss Ultimate Spider man and Shattered Dimensions those were fun stories, even those old games based off the tv show in the 90s were fun, the hell is this?

Pretty much. They think Spidey is only interesting when he's having his life ruined, epitomized in One More Day.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

it doesn't matter if the character comes back to life or not, the problem is that a female love interest will most of the time die just so the male mc can have a grief arc. Think of all the big deaths in comics over the decades. You can think of dozens of girls (one even being found in a refrigerator) and when it comes to guys there uh....

Robin.

Most main characters are men.

Killing a love interest or spouse is typically low hanging fruit for allowing readers to emphatically view the event.

Most main characters are also straight

Add in the lack of kids, really, and boom.

Theres your answer.

Ricemills posted...

Yeah this is the most likely scenario. They killed her so she can be brought back with matching design with the MCU.

Probably. Still though, it sounds like they really did her dirty by having it be at the hands of some random psycho in a Spider-Man comic.

action52 posted...

Probably. Still though, it sounds like they really did her dirty by having it be at the hands of some random psycho in a Spider-Man comic.

They did.

The way it happened is that the bad guy was trying to kill MJ. Kamala used her shapeshifting to look like MJ to mislead the bad guy and he stabbed her. So she died to save a woman she's never actually spoke to in a comic book she's in for fourteen pages about the Spider-Man she's not friends with.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

it doesn't matter if the character comes back to life or not, the problem is that a female love interest will most of the time die just so the male mc can have a grief arc. Think of all the big deaths in comics over the decades. You can think of dozens of girls (one even being found in a refrigerator) and when it comes to guys there uh....

Robin.

Kamala isn't a female love interest. This was only done because The Marvels is out later this year and they wanted to give a bump to the character to launch a new mini-series and spectacular return series at some point after that. The only reason it happened in Spider-Man is because of Kamala not having a title at the moment due to an in universe storyline where teen heroes have been outlawed. This literally was just done with the Death of Doctor Strange when Multiverse of Madness came out and it's done all of the time where a character is out of capacity or something major happens when a movie is coming out. It's all marketing buzz to try and get people interested in the movies to pick up comics.

pegusus123456 posted...
The way it happened is that the bad guy was trying to kill MJ. Kamala used her shapeshifting to look like MJ to mislead the bad guy and he stabbed her. So she died to save a woman she's never actually spoke to in a comic book she's in for fourteen pages about the Spider-Man she's not friends with.

This is misleading because Kamala has been working for Norman Osborn this entire run of Amazing Spider-Man and has shown up throughout the series and even had a tie-in mini-series during the Dark Web event. It's not like she showed up out of nowhere and this was her first appearance in Amazing Spider-Man. The issue was already bad enough that it's not necessary to distort anything.

They have always tortured him, the difference is that they allowed more happy time in the past.
Like...
His deadliest archenemy is his best friends father, that kidnaps his girlfriend, who dies when Peter tries to save her. Then his best friend turns into an even deadlier archenemy.
His parents suddenly appearing, which makes him happy. But they were robots created by the big bad.
He was just a clone!
He was bullied at school.
He was sexually abused and perhaps even raped.
His radioactive sperm killed his wife.
His girlfriend had sex with his best friend and gave birth to mutated twins that would try to kill him.
He mutates into a giant spider.
He has been tortured multiple times.
He slept with a newly wed Betty Brant.
He was buried alive for two weeks.
His aunt May died.
Big newspapers writes lies about him all the time, which people believes.
He got a stillborn child.
Oh, and Uncle Ben.

Ricemills posted...

Meh, this is done on purpose to gather clouts, she won't be permanently dead. She'll return in a year or two with power ups.

She'll be alive by the end of this arc. Like it might be so quick a turn around that other comics don't mention it.

The annoying thing about using Ms Marvel here is that it completely defangs the story. Anyone with even a modicum of awareness knows they aren't killing her for real. She's way too big. If they wanted readers to entertain the idea that this story was gonna have actual impact they would have chosen someone who could realistically stayed dead.

shnangyboos posted...

Not a good look. Not a good look. The poor vulnerable marginalized minorities. The poor women. Yikes.

Trolololololololololol.

I wasn't aware this trope had a name until now, but yeah, I've always hated it. Particularly in movie sequels where they don't know what to do with the love interest after the first movie, so they just kill her off in the beginning so our hero can have a big mopey revenge arc.

Zikten posted...

Yea, we all know she is coming back. That's not the issue. Its how they treated her in Peter's story. She should have at least died in her own story and not as a side character in a Spider-Man story. And apparently she didn't get killed by a major villain. Like it would have been better if she had some heroic sacrifice moment against a serious enemy like Doctor Doom or Galactus and saves everyone

She apparently got killed by some street level serial killer

I promise you that most women honestly do not give a fuck about fridging and are dealing with much, MUCH more important issues like sexual harassment and physical/mental abuse.

godofwar596 posted...

I promise you that most women honestly do not give a fuck about fridging and are dealing with much, MUCH more important issues like sexual harassment and physical/mental abuse.

You seem to be implying that you have to be a woman to be put off by female characters being treated as little more than disposable tools for our male hero's character growth. I assure you that's not the case.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

But why exactly is manga selling so well despite being problematic?

Ultimately it's the same reason Trader Joe's said, "nah, we don't agree" and kept selling their Trader Jose's line after Twitter said it was racist: Twitter is just noise and if you have an audience/market for something they're the ones that matter.

It's just a comic

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

studies show that catering to the LGBT+ crowd isn't helping comic sales since these people don't even buy comics. But why exactly is manga selling so well despite being problematic?

Do you know how many manga appeal to lgbt+

Of course you do. This is just weirdo bigotry

Blue_Inigo posted...

Do you know how many manga appeal to lgbt+

Of course you do. This is just weirdo bigotry

It's incredible how mad /a/ was that the new Jojo is a zoomer with a gender non-conforming sibling who lived through Covid and listen to Dua Lipa

That was entirely disingenuous. The article writer knows full well this isn't going to stick, and for that matter that Khan isn't a supporting character in the usual fridging sense. Basically, none of here criticisms actually apply to the case she applies it to.

But gotta get the clicks, I guess.

Doe posted...

It's incredible how mad /a/ was that the new Jojo is a zoomer with a gender non-conforming sibling who lived through Covid and listen to Dua Lipa

Really? I've never actually watched entire episodes of Jojo, but everything I have seen of it makes that description sound totally on-brand.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

meanwhile when a major male character dies they come back to life -_-

I blame Jebus for this phenomenon.

Zikten posted...

Yea, we all know she is coming back. That's not the issue. Its how they treated her in Peter's story. She should have at least died in her own story and not as a side character in a Spider-Man story. And apparently she didn't get killed by a major villain. Like it would have been better if she had some heroic sacrifice moment against a serious enemy like Doctor Doom or Galactus and saves everyone

She apparently got killed by some street level serial killer

Yeah it makes no sense that she is dying in Peter Parker spiderman stuff. I am a bit behind since I only read the collections once they hit my local library, but I don't remember her appearing at all in Peter's story

It would make way more sense in Miles Morales, since he is a close friend of Kamala, and they have teamed up many times (and if I remember correctly Miles already once made a deal with Mephisto to prevent the death of Kamala)

firedoom666 posted...

Yeah it makes no sense that she is dying in Peter Parker spiderman stuff. I am a bit behind since I only read the collections once they hit my local library, but I don't remember her appearing at all in Peter's story

It would make way more sense in Miles Morales, since he is a close friend of Kamala, and they have teamed up many times (and if I remember correctly Miles already once made a deal with Mephisto to prevent the death of Kamala)

The most likely theory is they just wanted to kill her so she could come back to life with her MCU powers.

masterpug53 posted...

I wasn't aware this trope had a name until now, but yeah, I've always hated it. Particularly in movie sequels where they don't know what to do with the love interest after the first movie, so they just kill her off in the beginning so our hero can have a big mopey revenge arc.

"Love" when that happens because it's usually because they want the hero to shack up with the new leading lady. James Bond is so guilty of this.

Ivynn posted...

Pretty much. They think Spidey is only interesting when he's having his life ruined, epitomized in One More Day.

OMD happened because apparently someone decided a literal deal with Satan was more family friendly than a divorce plot.

Also that comic had more PIS than Deathstroke on a good day.

Dr. Strange be like "sorry nothing I can do brb being omnipotent and generally able to do anything except that."

Tyranthraxus posted...

OMD happened because apparently someone decided a literal deal with Satan was more family friendly than a divorce plot.

I though it was cuz Quesada was whining "I want Spider-man to be single again because he was in my childhood" or something like that.

The OMD synopsis seems really dumb. erasing your marriage to save an old lady whose greatest wish is probably for Peter to remain happily married?

A downtrodden woobie becomes less sympathetic when they so blatantly do it to themselves.

Ivynn posted...

I though it was cuz Quesada was whining "I want Spider-man to be single again because he was in my childhood" or something like that.

They agreed to break up Spider-Man and MJ for that but originally they were going to do a divorce and someone was like "oh no we can't have kids reading about divorce" so OMD happened instead.