Current Events > It's fucked up that tax money is used for police settlements

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We should take away all the cops weapons until they learn their lesson to stop getting sued. And if they rack up sexual harassment/assault cases then we know what we will take away next. It is the only way they will learn.

Skankhair posted...

You just want free stuff.

I want my stuff. Government makes me have anti-stuff

Skankhair posted...

That still doesnt make any sense. Cops are employed by the government. They get a salary paid by tax payers, as they should. I dont want private police forces, I want accountable police forces.

When a cop screws up, it should come out of their own money.

their own money IS tax money. Every dime that goes through them is taxpayer money. You can't "have them pay with their own money" AND have it not be taxpayers money. Whether the cop gets paid or not, it will always be the public, the wronged party, paying for the police's fuckups.

I don't want private police either.But the conceit of this topic is "its fucked up that tax money is used for police settlements." And the response is "unless we go with private police, it always will be."

DarkBuster22904 posted...

their own money IS tax money. Every dime that goes through them is taxpayer money. You can't "have them pay with their own money" AND have it not be taxpayers money. Whether the cop gets paid or not, it will always be the public, the wronged party, paying for the police's fuckups.

Thats not a problem though

I don't want private police either.But the conceit of this topic is "its fucked up that tax money is used for police settlements." And the response is "unless we go with private police, it always will be."

Thats literally not the problem

g980 posted...

Should we do the same with teachers in lawsuits?

Teachers don't have immunity. If they abuse a student they're personally liable. When it comes to cops you can only sue the whole department

DarthAragorn posted...

Pensions and salaries

That shit will get cleaned up real fast

Not standing up for police here (so please don't interpret it as such), but what other business/companies pays for settlements using pensions and salaries?

I know for engineers, it comes out of the company the engineer is hired with and from their liability insurance company, not pensions/salaries.

I imagine the same is true in the medical field for doctors/nurses, that it comes from the hospital and their corresponding medical liability insurance.

Personally, I don't know of a single business/company (even government-affiliated ones, like how police would be) that takes settlement money out from salaries/pensions.

I'm curious to know if there are any that actually do.

Skankhair posted...

Straw man.

We should do what first world countries do and only hire sane, qualified, well-trained police officers and then hold them accountable when they commit crimes.

Good luck finding enough sane, qualified people in the US who would want the job.

The US isn't a first world country, so it probably shouldn't be compared to other first world countries.

Look at all this value <_<

WTGHookshot posted...

Not standing up for police here (so please don't interpret it as such), but what other business/companies pays for settlements using pensions and salaries?

I know for engineers, it comes out of the company the engineer is hired with and from their liability insurance company, not pensions/salaries.

I imagine the same is true in the medical field for doctors/nurses, that it comes from the hospital and their corresponding medical liability insurance.

Personally, I don't know of a single business/company (even government-affiliated ones, like how police would be) that takes settlement money out from salaries/pensions.

I'm curious to know if there are any that actually do.

What other business/companies are taxpayer funded, rampant with abuse and crime, and the vast majority of those employed complicit with covering it up?

Churches? Not directly but they're tax-exempt so as close as we're gonna get. Do you think I feel any differently about them?

DarthAragorn posted...

What other business/companies are taxpayer funded, rampant with abuse and crime, and the vast majority of those employed complicit with covering it up?

The family court system comes to mind.

DarthAragorn posted...

What other business/companies are taxpayer funded, rampant with abuse and crime, and the vast majority of those employed complicit with covering it up?

Churches? Not directly but they're tax-exempt so as close as we're gonna get. Do you think I feel any differently about them?

That's why I'm asking. I'm looking for a basis for this from something that already exists, instead of coming up with something unique.

Someone else said teachers are personally liable. If that is true, then maybe model it after that?

That said, is there something preventing civil cases against individual cops, where it would have to come out of their personal finances?

WTGHookshot posted...

That said, is there something preventing civil cases against individual cops, where it would have to come out of their personal finances?

Yes.

Qualified immunity.

As has been stated about 7 times now.

I think it's even more fucked up how glibly they kill the civilian populace that is responsible for their paychecks in the first place. The taxpayers killed by them basically paid for their own executions.

Imagine if you went into work, killed your employers, and all you got was paid administrative leave, then returned 2-4 weeks later.

Kradek posted...

I think it's even more fucked up how glibly they kill the civilian populace that is responsible for their paychecks in the first place. The taxpayers killed by them basically paid for their own executions.

Imagine if you went into work, killed your employers, and all you got was paid administrative leave, then returned 2-4 weeks later.

I imagine a lot of places would see a marked spike in employee satisfaction.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I mean, where else exactly are the police going to get the money to pay it? Sponsorship deals? The department bake sale? Civil Asset Forfeiture?

Their fucking pensions.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I imagine a lot of places would see a marked spike in employee satisfaction.

Cops must give 100% sat ratings

DrizztLink posted...

Yes.

Qualified immunity.

As has been stated about 7 times now.

I apologize; I have not read the full topic.

That said, is it a catch-all? Or has certain requirements?

WTGHookshot posted...

That said, is it a catch-all? Or has certain requirements?

It only covers "reasonable" actions taken in the course of duty.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

their own money IS tax money. Every dime that goes through them is taxpayer money. You can't "have them pay with their own money" AND have it not be taxpayers money. Whether the cop gets paid or not, it will always be the public, the wronged party, paying for the police's fuckups.

I don't want private police either.But the conceit of this topic is "its fucked up that tax money is used for police settlements." And the response is "unless we go with private police, it always will be."

But those aren't the only two options - as someone mentioned in this topic, settlements could be paid out of malpractice insurance, similar to the medical field (and others). In many of these, the individual has to pay their for their own insurance as a condition of employment by an agency, which could a stipulation of being hired by a police department.

R1masher posted...

Look at all this value <_<

Considering you openly claim you don't read topics, it's not surprising you wouldn't see any of the productive conversation in the topic...

g980 posted...

you guys are really struggling with the idea that when schools pay settlements its also paid for by taxpayers

Its ok if you think the answer is "yes if the gym teacher diddles a kid we raid the pension"

You know that some teachers have to carry personal insurance they pay out of pocket, right?

CM_Ponch posted...

Nt

what is nt? and, i don't believe that them getting settlements is wrong. It's a very imperfect world we live in. And they should get a big settlement if they were wronged

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DoubleOSnake posted...

what is nt? and, i don't believe that them getting settlements is wrong. It's a very imperfect world we live in. And they should get a big settlement if they were wronged

No topic as in the title already covered everything

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I imagine a lot of places would see a marked spike in employee satisfaction.

Well given how most employers are doing unethical and/or illegal practices when it comes to their employees when given the opportunity it'd be about as justified as cops who kill people for merely running away, talking back, or resisting arrest.

Kradek posted...

Well given how most employers are doing unethical and/or illegal practices when it comes to their employees when given the opportunity it'd be about as justified as cops who kill people for merely running away, talking back, or resisting arrest.

What part would be justified?

Ruvan22 posted...

What part would be justified?

I said "just as justified", I don't think most cops are actually justified when they kill civilians, even if the law says they're not legally culpable. Basically I was saying that since cops are seen as "justified" in killing people just for running away or resisting arrest, using those standards you could also find "justifications" for employers actively exploiting their employees with illegal and unethical practices.

The whole point of my posting was to show how ridiculous it would be.

Kradek posted...

I said "just as justified", I don't think most cops are actually justified when they kill civilians, even if the law says they're not legally culpable. Basically I was saying that since cops are seen as "justified" in killing people just for running away or resisting arrest, using those standards you could also find "justifications" for employers actively exploiting their employees with illegal and unethical practices.

The whole point of my posting was to show how ridiculous it would be.

Ahh gotcha

Kradek posted...

I think it's even more fucked up how glibly they kill the civilian populace that is responsible for their paychecks in the first place. The taxpayers killed by them basically paid for their own executions.

As Ive said before, if second amendment fanatics were really all about holding tyranny accountable, this is the sort of thing theyd be raising those guns against. The government is literally taking your money and using it to kill you. How much more tyrannical can you get than that?