Current Events > 261 Closure Clarification (continued)

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toreysback
05/16/23 5:24:19 PM
#51:


Zonbei posted...
some Vegetta guy


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knivesX2004
05/16/23 5:24:22 PM
#52:


TimeForAction posted...
all the boards are now circling the drain yet the turds at the top are oblivious as to whats happening.
Merging all of the game discussions from different systems into one board and separating systems by tag really did a great job of showing just how (in)active most of these boards are lol
Not to mention the site itself.
\_()_/

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Zonbei
05/16/23 5:25:21 PM
#53:


@toreysback

yes I know hes not some rando on this board, but not everyone in the topic knows that and also I dont care.

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Avirosb
05/16/23 5:25:35 PM
#54:


Vayu_The_End posted...
Politics is being discussed in some form or another on all the popular gaming boards. A character not having square boobs (Tifa) was political discussion for the better part of a month.

Conical or bust >:[

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Kaldrenthebold
05/16/23 5:25:56 PM
#55:


FelineCyborg posted...
critiszing the current admin made you a maga for good long while

look at this topic. people are calling the mods maga for something they had nothing to do with. thats the politics board kneejerk go to. good riddance

Guarantee if I made a topic criticizing Biden I would not be called MAGA or anything of the sort. Cause I have a history of not being an idiot and most of the regulars would know that. Methinks you didn't browse the board too often, and that's fine.

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X8Azazel8X
05/16/23 5:26:26 PM
#56:


Lol strange this sudden realignment with fandom policies happened so suddenly. Makes me think there were some particular posts that some one was super butt hurt over that weren't actually a violation of the tos here so they decided to look at the fandom tos to get rid of the whole board to get rid of the post or posts instead.

Sound like a massive amount of butt hurt there to me and crocodile tears.


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Irony
05/16/23 5:26:55 PM
#57:


Man a lot of bugs crawled out from that rock the admins picked up in the politics board

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Solid_Sonic
05/16/23 5:27:34 PM
#58:


Close this crapfest of a board.

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Zonbei
05/16/23 5:27:53 PM
#59:


Kaldrenthebold posted...
Guarantee if I made a topic criticizing Biden I would not be called MAGA or anything of the sort. Cause I have a history of not being an idiot and most of the regulars would know that. Methinks you didn't browse the board too often, and that's fine.

That was also my experience. I criticize democrats all the time. I just dont do it while also saying a bunch of clearly alt right shit


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Kaldrenthebold
05/16/23 5:29:09 PM
#60:


Zonbei posted...
That was also my experience. I criticize democrats all the time. I just dont do it while also saying a bunch of clearly alt right shit

So long as you generally tried to prove your point without resorting to blatant talking points people were interested in engaging. That's what I saw, at least. Most of the people getting clowned on weren't able to properly present themselves and said stupid shit.

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Avirosb
05/16/23 5:29:13 PM
#61:


People don't get called MAGA, silly, they get called chuds.
You can't BE a recycled Reagan-era catchphrase.

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art_of_the_kill
05/16/23 5:29:20 PM
#62:


art_of_the_kill posted...
Precedent. Cant assume the same wont ever happen to any board for any reason.

And to add to this, by your same logic, why does a movie board need to exist on a video game website? Why does an anime board? A comics board? A cartoon/animation board?

Surely I dont need to highlight the issue any further?

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EdwardSnowedIn
05/16/23 5:30:16 PM
#63:


The writing has been on the wall for a while now if you'd been paying attention to what the mods have been saying.

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Sandalorn
05/16/23 5:30:42 PM
#64:


Zonbei posted...
That was also my experience. I criticize democrats all the time. I just dont do it while also saying a bunch of clearly alt right shit

Half the arguments/discussions were between people who would call themselves Democrats. I mean...Liberals Vs. Moderates was a daily discussion point. It never was an Echo Chamber.

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LightningAce11
05/16/23 5:31:01 PM
#65:


They should have raised the user level to require 300 karma or something so were not constantly flooded with alts.

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Strand
05/16/23 5:32:37 PM
#67:


Generally, Fandom attempts to prevent communities being built specifically about politics. You can see an exerpt from here: https://www.fandom.com/community-creation-policy

"Wikis whose main purpose is to represent a political party, advocate for or against a political ideology, or generally opine regarding political issues;"

I checked that link. By communities, they explicitly say they mean wikis.

It also says communities should be closed if "They are only used for chatting on the wiki or Discussions"

Why is a forum being treated as a wiki? This is a weak justification by Allen that doesn't make any sense.

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Avirosb
05/16/23 5:32:46 PM
#68:


Sandalorn posted...
Half the arguments/discussions were between people who would call themselves Democrats. I mean...Liberals Vs. Moderates was a daily discussion point. It never was an Echo Chamber.

Fandom wants echo chambers since those breed the least amount of online animosity.

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Sandalorn
05/16/23 5:34:59 PM
#69:


Avirosb posted...
Fandom wants echo chambers since those breed the least amount of online animosity.


It seems so since the major issue I have heard was that too many people were reporting posts for moderation.

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EPR-radar
05/16/23 5:35:58 PM
#70:


Strand posted...
I checked that link. By communities, they explicitly say they mean wikis.

Why is a forum being treated as a wiki? This is a weak justification by Allen that doesn't make any sense.
It's most likely the usual corporate BS thing -- some high level suits made the decision for reasons they won't tell us, and instead it is pretended that the patently flimsy reasons in the corporate press release were the justification.
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Avirosb
05/16/23 5:38:11 PM
#71:


It's like when some Google engineer mucks up a feature just to have something to fix.

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Starks
05/16/23 5:38:53 PM
#72:


Do we even have a confirmation that 261 was explicitly requested to be removed?

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KitKats
05/16/23 5:39:00 PM
#73:


Sandalorn posted...
It seems so since the major issue I have heard was that too many people were reporting posts for moderation.
While were fed lines like, the mods had no say in this

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Heineken14
05/16/23 5:39:08 PM
#74:


LightningAce11 posted...
They should have raised the user level to require 300 karma or something so were not constantly flooded with alts.


We asked them long ago to raise the level and instead of routinely working with the board to make it better, they all just bitched and moaned and cried about having to do their job over the shithole board they ignored for years.

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TimeForAction
05/16/23 5:39:37 PM
#75:


The good news for CE users is that the face eating leopards only eat other peoples faces. Fandoms aversion to politics clearly meant only boards named Politics
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Heineken14
05/16/23 5:40:24 PM
#76:


EPR-radar posted...

It's most likely the usual corporate BS thing -- some high level suits made the decision for reasons they won't tell us, and instead it is pretended that the patently flimsy reasons in the corporate press release were the justification.


They probably floated the idea around and allan jumped out of his chair to shut the board down so they wouldn't have to worry about it anymore, instead of doing their job.

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Hyena_20
05/16/23 5:41:10 PM
#78:


Question: Can we just make 261 topics here on C/E, or is discussing partisan politics now against the ToS?
And if the answer is "it is against the ToS", how strict is that rule? Like, is making any topic or post about Donald Trump against the ToS unless it's directly entertainment-related (e.g. that Trump Family Guy episode)

And how far does this go? Are we prohibited from talking about gun control, healthcare, politicians, disaster relief, the social safety net, taxation/filing our taxes, Israel (period, minus the World Cup), and law enforcement? Because politics encompasses a LOT.

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Zonbei
05/16/23 5:41:32 PM
#79:


Heineken14 posted...
They probably floated the idea around and allan jumped out of his chair to shut the board down so they wouldn't have to worry about it anymore, instead of doing their job.


To be fair to mods (just this once), their job sucks, they dont get paid, and if they quit the place dies anyways. And the userbase are 80 percent assholes. (This includes myself)

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MC_BatCommander
05/16/23 5:42:24 PM
#80:


Hyena_20 posted...
Question: Can we just make 261 topics here on C/E, or is discussing partisan politics now against the ToS?

Politics can be discussed on CE or any other board without enforced topicality.

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Starks
05/16/23 5:42:37 PM
#81:


Which is why I pose the idea that the mods should walk over this.

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knivesX2004
05/16/23 5:43:33 PM
#82:


LightningAce11 posted...
They should have raised the user level to require 300 karma or something so were not constantly flooded with alts.
That would actually be easy to implement and solve the problem, so of course the geniuses in charge didn't do that.

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Avirosb
05/16/23 5:43:45 PM
#83:


MC_BatCommander posted...
Politics can be discussed on CE or any other board without enforced topicality.
Well it's enforced now. Ain't no other place to post 'em.

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MC_BatCommander
05/16/23 5:45:08 PM
#84:


Avirosb posted...
Well it's enforced now. Ain't no other place to post 'em.

Enforced topicality refers to places like game boards or the movies board, where political discussion was always off topic.

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Irony
05/16/23 5:46:05 PM
#85:


I mean it wasn't always off topic it was allowed on the PS4 board until people were like we don't want it on the PS4 board and Allen was like okay

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vycebrand2
05/16/23 5:46:56 PM
#86:


Starks posted...
Which is why I pose the idea that the mods should walk over this.
You can always leave if you don't like the rules

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Sandalorn
05/16/23 5:47:11 PM
#87:


Avirosb posted...
Well it's enforced now. Ain't no other place to post 'em.


And since Tails has already infested Humble's subreddit...I ain't going there anytime soon. That dude is certifiable.

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Heineken14
05/16/23 5:48:19 PM
#89:


MC_BatCommander posted...


Politics can be discussed on CE or any other board without enforced topicality.


So, the politics board was just moved to a different board but it doesn't have politics in the name so everything is kosher now? Like when corporations have a massive fuck up and then change their name in an effort to fool the public? Neat.

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Cornmuffins
05/16/23 5:48:22 PM
#90:


Irony posted...
Man a lot of bugs crawled out from that rock the admins picked up in the politics board


lol

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Hyena_20
05/16/23 5:49:11 PM
#91:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


No, that's stupid. We have to show some sort of identification to post on social boards? How would we do that? Post our phone number or some other personal information? That will kill the site far more than minimum user level requirements.
In addition, Allen would need to hire/contract a software engineering firm to create the code needed to implement this.
The only way to currently implement this is by limiting people to 1 verified account per usermap, which is problematic since it means only one member in the household (or 2 households if someone is stealing your WiFi) can have a verified account.

No, user level requirements do a good job at reducing the trolls because MOST TROLL ACCOUNTS ARE SOMEBODY'S ALT. (At least that's how it was on 261 before there was a minimum user requirement, don't know about C/E because this place moves too fast for my personal tastes. Even after the user requirement, the majority were alts.) Granted, the alt thing is largely due to quantity-- you can have 10 single-account trolls and 5 trolls who make sure that they always have 1~5 troll accounts active at any one time, which usually get banned within 1~3 months upon reaching the desired user level.
Either way, when you dramatically cut down on trolls because both types have to wait weeks to months before they can freely shitpost again.


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Starks
05/16/23 5:50:47 PM
#93:


For all the allegations of account buying, I've never understood the logistics or pricing.

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Vigero
05/16/23 5:52:54 PM
#94:


And nothing of value was lost.
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Hyena_20
05/16/23 5:53:25 PM
#95:


Heineken14 posted...
So, the politics board was just moved to a different board but it doesn't have politics in the name so everything is kosher now? Like when corporations have a massive fuck up and then change their name in an effort to fool the public? Neat.

Yeah, basically. As the TC said, Fandom's policy prohibits boards dedicated specifically to partisan politics. Yeah, it's stupid.

Question for the mod: What other new rules is Fandom forcing upon us? Apparently they don't have a problem with discussing religious beliefs, since the Religion board hasn't been shut down. Which kinda surprises me. Any additional/new/stricter rules on discussing sex/sexuality?


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YellowSUV
05/16/23 5:53:54 PM
#96:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/4/5/AAA4VzAAEe5p.jpg


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Vigero
05/16/23 5:54:05 PM
#97:


Sandalorn posted...


Half the arguments/discussions were between people who would call themselves Democrats. I mean...Liberals Vs. Moderates was a daily discussion point. It never was an Echo Chamber.

Dude, that place was definitely an echo chamber. The people who like the fact that it was an echo chamber are understandably going to deny that it was of course.
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Heineken14
05/16/23 5:54:06 PM
#98:


Zonbei posted...


To be fair to mods (just this once), their job sucks, they dont get paid, and if they quit the place dies anyways. And the userbase are 80 percent assholes. (This includes myself)


It's literally their job though. They specifically asked to do it. Though to be fair, maybe I've just been lucky this whole time and my name wasn't drawn out of the mod hat and I was forced to be a gamefaqs mod for years and years.

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Avirosb
05/16/23 5:55:23 PM
#99:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Other peoples' opinion would distract you from anime tiddy ads.
SB Ballin just has our best interests in mind

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Zonbei
05/16/23 5:55:36 PM
#100:


Vigero posted...
Dude, that place was definitely an echo chamber. The people who like the fact that it was an echo chamber are understandably going to deny that it was of course.

A super fun echo chamber where I frequently argued with right wing morons, centrist morons, independent morons, liberal morons, and sometimes even leftist morons.

I must just be making that up because im uh defending the echo chamber? I cant follow your logic honestly.

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Vigero
05/16/23 5:55:44 PM
#101:


There's plenty of other places on the web to discuss politics if people are feeling that bent out of shape about it. You all will live.
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aarrgus
05/16/23 5:56:49 PM
#102:


"We tried nothing and we are all out of options". - Fandom

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