Current Events > TLJ ruined my interest in Star Wars for quite some time *spoilers*

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RuneterranSnap posted...

Also a bigger problem with the FTL missile I didn't realise until someone reminded me(and a problem through the whole trilogy) is FTL in Star Wars doesn't work that way. It's not "go really fast in this direction", it's "go to a specific point, and move really fast towards another specific point" using tunnels throughout space. That's what all the calculations are for.

Thats how to do FTL WITHOUT crashing into something. Considering Holdos plan was specifically to crash into something that doesnt apply.

Toonstrack posted...

Thats how to do FTL WITHOUT crashing into something. Considering Holdos plan was specifically to crash into something that doesnt apply.

As I understand it, it's how you do it in general. It's how they can set up the ambushes they do because the destination is always known, and it's why the Wookies get fucked over, because they're so good at finding pathways.

I just watched a Clone Wars episode where they had to quickly leave hyperspace because they were about to crash into an asteroid field. So they can crash while doing it.

As for narrative cohesion, in the PT Anakins motivations and priorities change on a whim, he wants everything and also wants nothing but padme. Padmes characterization is shallow, she's just a good person and a empathetic senator i guess but then becomes Anakins ride or die wirh no character outside of him and forgives him for murdering women's and children and marries him in secret. Then she confronts him when he does it again, but this time is upset and gets chocked out, pops out the two main characters of the next trilogy then dies.

Kenobi is a stalwart rule follower and in the second movie becomes anakins master and investigates the ridiculously convoluted clone plot which was instigated by a character we never see, dooku striaght up tells him that he ess involved in the clone plot and kenobi doesn't consider that suspicous at all and just ignored that info even after he gets f***ing attacked by a bounty hunter when heading to Kamino.

The bounty hunter who, i might add, got hired to kill senator amidala, so he hired another person to kill senator amidala, who then instead uses a Droid to do it, who then tries to use some slug thing to do it(IIRC). But it doesn't matter because she ends up getting captured in some grandiose fashion which leads to a big battle where jango conveniently gets murdered and they kinda just agree to keep using those clones that dooku definitely had something to do with.

Then in the third movie were supposed to believe that Kenobi and Anakin are inseparable and like brothers when we've literslly seen none of that and almost all their screen time up to this point has been separate from one another.

like at least kylo ren has consistent goals.

RuneterranSnap posted...

As I understand it, it's how you do it in general. It's how they can set up the ambushes they do because the destination is always known, and it's why the Wookies get fucked over, because they're so good at finding pathways.

No... its literslly how you do it and not die. Because of the nature of the travel you have to use specific channels free of debris in order to not b I ow yourself to smithereens. You also need to aim it correctly regardless because if you dont you'll just kill everyone in the vicinity with collateral.

Holdo only needed to do that second thing. The first thing was irrelevant because her plan was to he blown into smithereens.

The effects in the PT were "good for their time", but now the entire trilogy looks like a PS3 game

This is my first encounter with a ST fanboy. I'd like it to also be my last

greenjeans posted...

This is my first encounter with a ST fanboy. I'd like it to also be my last

If I was even half as triggered as most of yall are when encountering a differing opinion id be in a bad spot. Dont know how you guys go 8 years thinking like this.

Toonstrack posted...

If I was even half as triggered as most of yall are when encountering a differing opinion id be in a bad spot. Dont know how you guys go 8 years thinking like this.

example of anyone being triggered?

greenjeans posted...

example of anyone being triggered?

If you need to make personal insults about a difference of opinion you've been triggered by that opinion

Derwood posted...

The effects in the PT were "good for their time", but now the entire trilogy looks like a PS3 game

Even if they were good for their time. the context they were in mostly made them look like ass. TPM wowed us cause we were children, but even by AotC this was apparent. The opening Coruscant speeder chase scene is probably the most egregious, but everything on Geonosis is also awful.

Toonstrack posted...

If you need to make personal insults about a difference of opinion you've been triggered by that opinion

Toonstrack posted...

If I was even half as triggered as most of yall are when encountering a differing opinion id be in a bad spot. Dont know how you guys go 8 years thinking like this.

Pot, meet kettle.

Honestly, you are Cyric are the most triggered people in this topic. Most of us are chillin'.

I can relate about running into some irrational Star Wars defenders. I make polls as unbiased as possible, but at least three users on the special interest board (including @Toonstrack as in the topic below) treat me as a troll for what I guess they believe to be ST bashing.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/223-star-wars/80410420

Toonstrack posted...

If you need to make personal insults about a difference of opinion you've been triggered by that opinion

That wasn't an example. You sure you're smart enough to be here?

BurmesePenguin posted...

Even if they were good for their time. the context they were in mostly made them look like ass. TPM wowed us cause we were children, but even by AotC this was apparent. The opening Coruscant speeder chase scene is probably the most egregious, but everything on Geonosis is also awful.

Lucas was too busy sniffing his own farts and thinking that technology = story telling (see also: James Cameron and Avatar)

greenjeans posted...

That wasn't an example. You sure you're smart enough to be here?

Theres many examples of that present. You're choosing not to acknowledge they exist isnt a factor im responsible for. Were both intelligent enough to understand that.

Slayer_22 posted...

Pot, meet kettle.

Honestly, you are Cyric are the most triggered people in this topic. Most of us are chillin'.

That second quote isn't an insult though my guy.

Toonstrack posted...

Theres many examples of that present. You're choosing not to acknowledge they exist isnt a factor im responsible for. Were both intelligent enough to understand that.

But I'm simply asking you to give one of them. Surely that is possible

greenjeans posted...

But I'm simply asking you to give one of them. Surely that is possible

You literally just implied i was too dumb to be here in your last post

Toonstrack posted...

You literally just implied i was too dumb to be here in your last post

Lol...

But are you?

We need a reboot on post-ep6 Starwars

AI_TechGam3FAQS posted...

We need a reboot on post-ep6 Starwars

Carrie fisher is dead, Ford is a million years old and Hamill is done. It ain't happening

Toonstrack posted...

Theres many examples of that present. You're choosing not to acknowledge they exist isnt a factor im responsible for. Were both intelligent enough to understand that.

That second quote isn't an insult though my guy.

It's literally fitting of the definition if the word, man. Why you trolling?

You could tell by the second death star they didn't have much on the table beyond the first movie.

Avirosb posted...

You could tell by the second death star they didn't have much on the table beyond the first movie.

They had a decent amount with Snoke, Rey being possibly related to the Skywalker family(which was what was hinted at), Kylo's spiral further into the dark side, Finn's evolution as a character overall, what Luke was doing.

Kinda ruined all that in one movie. It's impressive in that way, I will say.

Avirosb posted...

You could tell by the second death star they didn't have much on the table beyond the first movie.

Yeah, I've long felt this was one of the fundamental problems with the franchise. The original Death Star is, right out of the gate, one of the coolest, most iconic, deadliest / most intimidating villainous threats that can be reasonably conceived...and it already gets blown up by the end of the first movie. Moving forward with the franchise, where the hell can you go from there in terms of establishing a new threat? Build another one? Build a bigger one? Attach a bunch of Death-Star rays to a fleet of starships? Will we reach a point where elite stormtroopers are marching around with Death-Star cannons on their shoulders?

Empire was thankfully able to skirt this dilemma by being the middle child of the trilogy, and thus wasn't yet burdened with the need to produce a big bad threat for the heroes to overcome and cap off the story.

Notti posted...

TFA put me to sleep how boring and safe it was. Whatta snore.

I found Rey to be uninspired. Finn was bleh and meh, either a lump on a log or embarrassing, especially beyond tfa. Kylo was so lamely constructed as a ragey villain I actively disliked him. Anti cool. I never wanted to see him again.

HylianFox posted...

Kylo Ren was a dweeb from scene one and never once did I find him interesting or threatening.
He just screamed "loser kid who thinks he's badass". At least the movies kinda call him out on that, but it didn't help.

Precisely.

My theory is is they were trying to appeal to the kids. Who is a modern villain for younsters?

Think the rageaholic weird 4chan kid.

So they tried to turn that... into a real villain.

But you can't just make an interesting villain with basically no attractive qualities. This is a fantastical fantasy story. Make me see what Kylo sees as attractive or tempting. Vader was imposing and intimidating.

Kylo is raging dorkasaurus. Inept and unbelievable as a villain.

Notti posted...

Precisely.

My theory is is they were trying to appeal to the kids. Who is a modern villain for younsters?

Think the rageaholic weird 4chan kid.

So they tried to turn that... into a real villain.

But you can't just make an interesting villain with basically no attractive qualities. This is a fantastical fantasy story. Make me see what Kylo sees as attractive or tempting. Vader was imposing and intimidating.

Kylo is raging dorkasaurus. Inept and unbelievable as a villain.

I mean, it's what a lot of Sith idealized which is the issue. He's a fan boy being used, nothing more. It's intriguing in that aspect, imho.

masterpug53 posted...

Yeah, I've long felt this was one of the fundamental problems with the franchise. The original Death Star is, right out of the gate, one of the coolest, most iconic, deadliest / most intimidating villainous threats that can be reasonably conceived...and it already gets blown up by the end of the first movie. Moving forward with the franchise, where the hell can you go from there in terms of establishing a new threat? Build another one? Build a bigger one? Attach a bunch of Death-Star rays to a fleet of starships? Will we reach a point where elite stormtroopers are marching around with Death-Star cannons on their shoulders?

Empire was thankfully able to skirt this dilemma by being the middle child of the trilogy, and thus wasn't yet burdened with the need to produce a big bad threat for the heroes to overcome and cap off the story.

Thats what the Extended Universe books got right. After they finished mopping up the Empire they moved on to a new threat. Alien empire from an unexplored part of galaxy invaded. They used evolutionary manipulation for their technology like their spaceships were space whales. Instead of repeating rebels in hiding versus oppressive government it was the New Republic being England trying to hold on as Germany was actively conquering every one else. The established Jedi Order struggled and debated with how much violence and aggression are they allowed to use while avoiding the dark side. It was different and it built on what original trilogy did. That was TFAs biggest problem. We started the new series by erasing every single accomplishment of original series instead of moving on to new threats. Smoke was place holder Palpatine cause JJ could literally think of nothing else. TLJ for all its problems at least tried to do something new.