Current Events > I fully expect people 40 years from now to cringe at "woke'' debates

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I remember a teacher in college showing us anti interacial marriage propaganda and we cringed so hard. Society will probably feel the same way 30 years from now at people throwing a tantrum at every lgbt character

I just hope people in the future realize it is a corporate argument, not an actual political one.

Most people are cringing at them now.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Most people are cringing at them now.

This. I can't take anyone seriously that even uses woke these days. Unless it's into the original context.

Theyre definitely be debates on how it went too far and how we learned from it.

WhisperWolf2005 posted...

Theyre definitely be debates on how it went too far and how we learned from it.

At the Klan meetings, sure, but outside of there it's not looking good for the poor racists

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Most people are cringing at them now.

I kinda wish you were right, but the far right is gaining more and more power in m'urica

WhisperWolf2005 posted...

Theyre definitely be debates on how it went too far and how we learned from it.

Get this Klan bullshit outta here!

Nah, there are things in the woke movement that I think we will very likely be cringing at in the future. Like trying to remove the idea of merit, removing standardized tests, ideas like Kendi's, etc.

If you take any idea, stick "progressive" on it. That doesn't make it good or future wisdom. Same way that if you took any idea stuck "patriotic" on it, didn't make it good back in post 9/11.

That's what it feels like to me, btw. When trying to push back on some of the crazy parts to some people. Saying "what you are advocating here isn't progressive, it's dumb/dangerous" to a person who is all-in on these ideas, feels identical to what I'd imagine it would feel like to say "what you are advocating here isn't patriotic, it's dumb/dangerous." to a person pushing the patriot act in 2001.

It had the word "patriot" in it so they don't want to intellectually engage in it beyond that.

And these days the thing is called "progressive" so they don't want to intellectually engage in it beyond that.

And IMO that just a very low resolution way to exist.

WhisperWolf2005 posted...

Theyre definitely be debates on how it went too far and how we learned from it.

You're an insult to wolves.

Leave it to joenumbers to completely misread what the topic was about

joe40001 posted...

Nah, there are things in the woke movement that I think we will very likely be cringing at in the future. Like trying to remove the idea of merit, removing standardized tests, ideas like Kendi's, etc.

If you take any idea, stick "progressive" on it. That doesn't make it good or future wisdom. Same way that if you took any idea stuck "patriotic" on it, didn't make it good back in post 9/11.

That's what it feels like to me, btw. When trying to push back on some of the crazy parts to some people. Saying "what you are advocating here isn't progressive, it's dumb/dangerous" to a person who is all-in on these ideas, feels identical to what I'd imagine it would feel like to say "what you are advocating here isn't patriotic, it's dumb/dangerous." to a person pushing the patriot act in 2001.

It had the word "patriot" in it so they don't want to intellectually engage in it beyond that.

And these days the thing is called "progressive" so they don't want to intellectually engage in it beyond that.

And IMO that just a very low resolution way to exist.

There is no such thing as a woke movement. Please refrain from posting until you discuss the real world.

I really hope the average person can look back at the 2020s and realize how fucking stupid it was for one of the biggest news conglomerates to spend air time bitching about candy shoes. >_>

joe40001 posted...

Nah, there are things in the woke movement that I think we will very likely be cringing at in the future. Like trying to remove the idea of merit, removing standardized tests, ideas like Kendi's, etc.

If you take any idea, stick "progressive" on it. That doesn't make it good or future wisdom. Same way that if you took any idea stuck "patriotic" on it, didn't make it good back in post 9/11.

That's what it feels like to me, btw. When trying to push back on some of the crazy parts to some people. Saying "what you are advocating here isn't progressive, it's dumb/dangerous" to a person who is all-in on these ideas, feels identical to what I'd imagine it would feel like to say "what you are advocating here isn't patriotic, it's dumb/dangerous." to a person pushing the patriot act in 2001.

It had the word "patriot" in it so they don't want to intellectually engage in it beyond that.

And these days the thing is called "progressive" so they don't want to intellectually engage in it beyond that.

And IMO that just a very low resolution way to exist.

Don't you have some horse paste to shill?

Theres still black racism. I really dont see a majority trans approval for a long long time. Specially with the way things are going.

I mean even the civil rights movement went too far in things like certain violent acts of the black panthers. But when we look back at history at good movements we tend to just omit the parts that everybody recognizes in retrospect were not good parts.

Things aren't "good guys with no bad points" vs "bad guys with no good points". That's just a lazy way to live and view the world.

I gotta say, for some people on the internet it seems like this isn't about helping anyone or anything but just "feeling good you are on the right side of history." And sorry to break it to you, but actual activism seldom feels good. Some people act like they are "just like the people who marched in Selma" even though those people faced real risks, sometimes went to prison, and like also just didn't sit behind a computer all day.

I doubt MLK spent most of his time and energy just feeling smug as fuck about how "ahead of the times" he was. He didn't spend all his time and energy calling everybody else a bigot, even though the types of bigotry he put up with are 1000x times worse than what gets called bigotry these days. Instead real activist leaders like him fought and caused measurable real world change. And still, I see a lot of people doing nothing tangible to actually improve the world but also clearly just feeling like just the greatest person in history about how ahead of the times they are.

Actual activism is hard work where you meet obstacles and cause measurable change in reality, it's not typing at home feeling good about how much better you are than the "evil bigots" of the world.

That's not activism that's self-indulgence. And some people should learn the difference if they want to actually help the world improve.

I doubt this will get through to anybody. But if it causes somebody to take pause, I'll consider that a win. Put simply, and sorry to burst the self-congratulation bubble here:
Real activism is hard work and doesn't feel great. What many people here who applaud themselves for "being on the right side of history" are doing is literally nothing more than vain self-indulgence.

hockeybub89 posted...

There is no such thing as a woke movement. Please refrain from posting until you discuss the real world.

I'm not suggesting there's an organization, but when it comes to things that get called "woke", things like "how to be an antiracist" or "white fragility", things like transwomen in male competitive sport, things like "don't use the term master bedroom because it has racist origins" (even though it doesn't), moves to remove standardized tests, or many more many more things like this.

These things get called woke. So what would you call them being pushed in aggregate? If you disapprove of the phrase "woke movement"?

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Agreed. Early on that card was so powerful that people legitimately played it defending Ghostbusters 2016. "You only hate it because it stars women." When like, no, it's just a movie that sucks.

And a lot of the arguments never made sense, like "men dislike strong female characters", and like T2, Aliens are super beloved and always have been. Mad Max came out in 2015, and the same people who got called "people who hate strong female characters" from 2016-2021 loved that movie.

Some of this woke shit was honestly just brands realizing they could be lazier if they tried to turn criticisms against them into political nonsense. Sure Disney filmed near like a Chinese concentration cap for Mulan, but she's a girlboss now with no weaknesses, so if you dislike the movie you are a bigot!

It's ridiculous that it ever kind of worked. But I'm glad it's just about done.

A lot can happen in 40 years

Idk, I think as time goes on, especially during and after this recession, corporations are gonna be facing more and more scrutiny because of their ruthless behavior.

The "woke" stuff is just basic pink/rainbow capitalism, so it will likely be looked upon poorly as it is ultimately perfunctory and isn't usually done with care and respect.

Who even said humans will still exist in 40 years?

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Leave it to joenumbers to completely misread what the topic was about

Joe is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is

epik_fail1 posted...

I remember a teacher in college showing us anti interacial marriage propaganda and we cringed so hard.

Does Disney know that your college showed The Jungle Book?

HornyLevel posted...

Idk, I think as time goes on, especially during and after this recession, corporations are gonna be facing more and more scrutiny because of their ruthless behavior.

The "woke" stuff is just basic pink/rainbow capitalism, so it will likely be looked upon poorly as it is ultimately perfunctory and isn't usually done with care and respect.

Yeah, some of it is pretty transparent.

Company: "Black Lives Matter!"
Employees who are poor and often PoC: "Can we have a raise, basic benefits, and healthcare?"
Same Company: "No."

HornyLevel posted...

Idk, I think as time goes on, especially during and after this recession, corporations are gonna be facing more and more scrutiny because of their ruthless behavior.

The "woke" stuff is just basic pink/rainbow capitalism, so it will likely be looked upon poorly as it is ultimately perfunctory and isn't usually done with care and respect.

How is "rainbow capitalism" more wrong that targeting straight males for money?

joe40001 posted...

Yeah, some of it is pretty transparent.

Company: "Black Lives Matter!"
Employees who are poor and often PoC: "Can we have a raise, basic benefits, and healthcare?"
Same Company: "No."

This is never the point some think it is. Because the same people attacking corporations, or anyone/anything else for being woke are the same people who oppose healthcare, benefits, and raises. Conservatives and moderates. And when they criticize, it's not to get companies to stop being PC and hand over the means of production instead. It's to cheer on corporations when they go full gunmetal grey capitalism rather than rainbow capitalism. Only leftists/progressives rationally critique rainbow capitalism as a smokescreen.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Most people are cringing at them now.

This. Any of the politicians or right wing talking heads who use the word "Woke" is a fucking loser.

Anyone with half a brain is cringing at them now.

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This is a great point. They LOVE being pandered to and treated like the only Americans there are. Black Rifle Coffee, Chick Fil A, car companies, Goya, jeans companies, etc. All they want is to shut down the cultural power they don't control. That's the only time they'll criticize capitalism.

legendary_zell posted...

This is never the point some think it is. Because the same people attacking corporations, or anyone/anything else for being woke are the same people who oppose healthcare, benefits, and raises. Conservatives and moderates. And when they criticize, it's not to get companies to stop being PC and hand over the means of production instead. It's to cheer on corporations when they go full gunmetal grey capitalism rather than rainbow capitalism. Only leftists/progressives rationally critique rainbow capitalism as a smokescreen.

I oppose corporations for being woke in dumb ways, but I support healthcare, benefits, and raises.

And I know I'm not alone.

Pretty sure Bill Maher is like that too. That's the large demographic of people some here have referred to as "classical liberal". They support rights and human decency, but push back on excesses of woke nonsense.

Hell, a lot of Trump supporters are pretty sympathetic to the idea that "a man shouldn't go bankrupt paying for healthcare".

Why do you think there was a moderate amount of people who went from supporting Bernie to Trump? Because the world isn't this clean binary you seem to be acting like it is. In your world, I apparently don't exist, because I think almost all of the world's biggest problems stem from corrupted capitalism, but I also think there are dangerous trends on the far left around things like censorship and abandoning the idea of merit.

most people are cringing about them now. the past two US elections have demonstrated very clearly that its stuff people only care about online for the most part

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Wasn't there something recently where they were going to alter a book in an annoying woke way, but then announced that due to the backlash they wouldn't, and then people were happy and the book sales went up but some people wondered if the whole thing was an advertising strategy from the start?

joe40001 posted...

Wasn't there something recently where they were going to alter a book in an annoying woke way, but then announced that due to the backlash they wouldn't, and then people were happy and the book sales went up but some people wondered if the whole thing was an advertising strategy from the start?

Yup, the Ronald Dohl books

joe40001 posted...

woke

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/1/AAZbmwAAEbkd.jpg

joe40001 posted...

I oppose corporations for being woke in dumb ways, but I support healthcare, benefits, and raises.

And I know I'm not alone.

Pretty sure Bill Maher is like that too. That's the large demographic of people some here have referred to as "classical liberal". They support rights and human decency, but push back on excesses of woke nonsense.

Hell, a lot of Trump supporters are pretty sympathetic to the idea that "a man shouldn't go bankrupt paying for healthcare".

Why do you think there was a moderate amount of people who went from supporting Bernie to Trump? Because the world isn't this clean binary you seem to be acting like it is. In your world, I apparently don't exist, because I think almost all of the world's biggest problems stem from corrupted capitalism, but I also think there are dangerous trends on the far left around things like censorship and abandoning the idea of merit.

Who do you think is more associated with and active in supporting those things? Woke people and the left or "classical liberals"? The entire Republican Party is primarily an engine for turning overblown "concerns" about "woke" stuff into opposition to things like higher wages, healthcare, and benefits. And Bill Maher is a great example of the effectiveness of that strategy, he used to talk about some real things, but now he's primarily focused on anti-woke hysteria.

Those Trump supporters are supportive of those things only in theory. In fact, they supported a party and a President that gutted any and all attempts or pathways to actually achieving those goals. As they said they would from the outset.

That "corrupted capitalism" you're complaining about is simply capitalism. Not having higher wages, benefits, and affordable/public healthcare is a direct and exclusive result of that benefitting capital. They used the economic and political power that capitalism brings to capital to bring that about. If you want to stop that, you're gonna have to ally with the woke people, not those with "concerns" about corrupted capitalism.

Most of what people characterize as censorship is simply adding context or criticism to things that are not banned or removed, and viewpoints that you can find in the editorial board of every newspaper of record. And the perceived backlash to the concept of merit is simply a recognition that our current structure of society is far more due to a concentration of power than of merit and how the idea of merit is inherently flawed and limited.

joe40001 posted...

Why do you think there was a moderate amount of people who went from supporting Bernie to Trump? Because the world isn't this clean binary you seem to be acting like it is. In your world, I apparently don't exist, because I think almost all of the world's biggest problems stem from corrupted capitalism, but I also think there are dangerous trends on the far left around things like censorship and abandoning the idea of merit.

No, you're just entirely misguided by lazy right wing propaganda precisely because you don't see the actual problem of the bolded coming from the right.

Joe is right about a lot of what he said in that long message. There is so much virtue signalling now, and people who feel like the good guys getting a rush out of hating on people they think are beneath them, not realizing they are acting worse than the people they hate.

And no, the "same people" who oppose the over-doing of social justice are not all people against health care, worker's rights, etc. I am all for universal health care, socialized structures, better benefits for all people etc, but against being internet bullies in the name of justice.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Joe is right about a lot of what he said in that long message. There is so much virtue signalling now, and people who feel like the good guys getting a rush out of hating on people they think are beneath them, not realizing they are acting worse than the people they hate.

And no, the "same people" who oppose the over-doing of social justice are not all people against health care, worker's rights, etc. I am all for universal health care, socialized structures, better benefits for all people etc, but against being internet bullies in the name of justice.

People who want trans people in commercials or even the corpos who put them there are not worse than the people trying to force detransition on people, ban them from receiving healthcare, and erase them from public life. That's a completely false equivalence.

I didn't say that each and every person who is anti-woke is internally opposed to all those good things. What I said was that the people who are focused on that are not focused on that stuff and much more driven by being anti-woke than being in support of more worker power and healthcare. There's a pretty popular group of millions of those people, they're called Republicans.

There's no one who focuses on being anti-woke who actually does anything to further those goals. The people doing it are universally considered woke, and the chief attack on them is that they're woke.

For example, I've seen you post political stuff semi-regularly. It's never been about wanting socialized healthcare or higher wages or worker power. It's pretty much always some anti-woke or anti culturally left thing.

Think back to every major point in history where social progress, or scientific progress, was made.

People whining when the earth was discovered to be round

people whining when the king of england couldnt control religion anymore

people whining when american slaves were freed

people whining when black people could vote

people whining when black people could be in movies

people whining when gay people came out

people whining when climate change became an issue

people whining when a green candy wasnt sexy

How is joenumbers' account still alive? Didn't he get put in like 20 purgeries for covid denialism?

He's been gone so long I can't even remember exactly what his gimmick was other than overlong messages trying to sound intelligent and scientific to shill some anti-science horseshit. Why is he back now? :(

AI_TechGam3FAQS posted...

Yup, the Ronald Dohl books

you didn't even fucking type his name right jesus tapdancing christ

Heineken14 posted...

No, you're just entirely misguided by lazy right wing propaganda precisely because you don't see the actual problem of the bolded coming from the right.

Precisely.

The left is perfect and problem free, so let's ignore them and focus solely on the right.

Nothing at all could go wrong with that.

Oh they absolutely will.

whateveroh posted...

Precisely.

The left is perfect and problem free, so let's ignore them and focus solely on the right.

Nothing at all could go wrong with that.

Not sure why you post things instead of shutting the fuck up Savoots.