Poll of the Day > But there is no gun problem in the States

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Ogurisama 04/20/23 1:04:19 PM #1:	https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/little-girl-parents-shot-basketball-025535069.html --- http://cdn-android.apptap.com/img/870/mobi.colortrilogy.bitlink/267135850.png https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/5/uv4r7nGyrE6ylt2lHGWpiQ2.gif <cite>Ogurisama posted [p:972965268] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/little-girl-parents-shot-basketball-025535069.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 04/20/23 1:18:24 PM #2:	Looks like we found the next GOP senator. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:972965485] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Looks like we found the next GOP senator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fishy071 04/21/23 1:53:52 AM #3:	There is a very serious gun problem. Many people are just denying it. All this proves that people are evil. --- "You don't need a reason to help people." -Zidane Tribal of Final Fantasy IX <cite>fishy071 posted [p:972979311] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>There is a very serious gun problem. Many people are just denying it. All this proves that people are evil.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 04/21/23 2:16:47 AM #4:	https://www.kare11.com/amp/article/news/crime/retired-minneapolis-firefighter-charged-violent-threats/89-8e31b621-4dac-4e65-94a2-4a1a369fb497 --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:972979542] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>https://www.kare11.com/amp/article/news/crime/retired-minneapolis-firefighter-charged-violent-threats/89-8e31b621-4dac-4e65-94a2-4a1a369fb497</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redline65 04/21/23 8:27:46 AM #5:	fishy071 posted... There is a very serious gun problem. Many people are just denying it. All this proves that people are evil. You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns. <cite>redline65 posted [p:972982554] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>fishy071 posted... </cite><quote>There is a very serious gun problem. Many people are just denying it. All this proves that people are evil.</quote>You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
potdnewb 04/21/23 8:32:23 AM #6:	redline65 posted... You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns. watch out suggesting its a people issue and not a gun issue will get you moderated <cite>potdnewb posted [p:972982615] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns.</quote>watch out suggesting its a people issue and not a gun issue will get you moderated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 04/21/23 9:11:11 AM #7:	Is it really so hard to grasp that it's both? --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:972983216] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Is it really so hard to grasp that it's both?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sveksii 04/21/23 9:20:29 AM #8:	redline65 posted... You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns. Guns facilitate impulsive decisions that would often otherwise not happen. Guns may not always be a root problem, but they are a problem. As far as mental health and other support programs go, Republicans block the majority of attempts to address them because they view government expenditures in such areas a no go. And honestly mental health in particular is a red herring, as there isn't even a meaningful correlation between mental illness and (gun) violence, but good job blaming a common scapegoat. But don't worry, I hear we don't need to do anything because you can fix everything with thoughts and prayers. <cite>sveksii posted [p:972983365] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns.</quote>Guns facilitate impulsive decisions that would often otherwise not happen. Guns may not always be a root problem, but they are a problem.As far as mental health and other support programs go, Republicans block the majority of attempts to address them because they view government expenditures in such areas a no go. And honestly mental health in particular is a red herring, as there isn't even a meaningful correlation between mental illness and (gun) violence, but good job blaming a common scapegoat.But don't worry, I hear we don't need to do anything because you can fix everything with thoughts and prayers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 04/21/23 9:23:32 AM #9:	redline65 posted... You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns. Lets make it harder for the crazy people to get their hands on guns in the first place. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:972983404] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns.</quote>Lets make it harder for the crazy people to get their hands on guns in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 04/21/23 9:44:20 AM #10:	potdnewb posted... watch out suggesting its a people issue and not a gun issue will get you moderated Well obviously. If you're suggesting only the US has mentally ill people you're nation bashing. What exactly did you expect? redline65 posted... You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns. Stop nation bashing. Americans are not all crazy, mentally ill, psychotic, or evil. We have a gun problem, not an excessive amount of mental illness. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:972983674] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>potdnewb posted... </cite><quote>watch out suggesting its a people issue and not a gun issue will get you moderated</quote>Well obviously. If you're suggesting only the US has mentally ill people you're nation bashing. What exactly did you expect?redline65 posted... </cite><quote>You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns.</quote>Stop nation bashing. Americans are not all crazy, mentally ill, psychotic, or evil. We have a gun problem, not an excessive amount of mental illness. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
potdnewb 04/21/23 9:47:03 AM #11:	BlackScythe0 posted... Well obviously. If you're suggesting only the US has mentally ill people you're nation bashing. What exactly did you expect? Stop nation bashing. Americans are not all crazy, mentally ill, psychotic, or evil. We have a gun problem, not an excessive amount of mental illness. the us is ranked 29th in the world in regards to mental health care not surprised <cite>potdnewb posted [p:972983718] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite><quote>Well obviously. If you're suggesting only the US has mentally ill people you're nation bashing. What exactly did you expect?Stop nation bashing. Americans are not all crazy, mentally ill, psychotic, or evil. We have a gun problem, not an excessive amount of mental illness.</quote>the us is ranked 29th in the world in regards to mental health care not surprised</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 04/21/23 9:48:36 AM #12:	potdnewb posted... the us is ranked 29th in the world in regards to mental health care not surprised Then why do the other 28 nations don't have the same levels of gun violence? Either it's a gun problem or you're suggesting we have a bigger problem with mental illness than other countries. Which is it? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:972983744] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>potdnewb posted... </cite><quote>the us is ranked 29th in the world in regards to mental health care not surprised</quote>Then why do the other 28 nations don't have the same levels of gun violence? Either it's a gun problem or you're suggesting we have a bigger problem with mental illness than other countries. Which is it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redline65 04/21/23 10:03:02 AM #13:	sveksii posted... Guns facilitate impulsive decisions that would often otherwise not happen. Guns may not always be a root problem, but they are a problem. Nope, nope, nope. Guns don't facilitate anything. They're inanimate objects. Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do? I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive. <cite>redline65 posted [p:972983968] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>sveksii posted... </cite><quote>Guns facilitate impulsive decisions that would often otherwise not happen. Guns may not always be a root problem, but they are a problem.</quote>Nope, nope, nope. Guns don't facilitate anything. They're inanimate objects. Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do? I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redline65 04/21/23 10:05:41 AM #14:	keyblader1985 posted... Is it really so hard to grasp that it's both? Because it's not both. A person chooses to get a gun. A person chooses to shoot someone. Guns don't make anyone do anything. It's 100% the PERSON. <cite>redline65 posted [p:972984011] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>keyblader1985 posted... </cite><quote>Is it really so hard to grasp that it's both?</quote>Because it's not both. A person chooses to get a gun. A person chooses to shoot someone. Guns don't make anyone do anything. It's 100% the PERSON.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
potdnewb 04/21/23 10:07:02 AM #15:	BlackScythe0 posted... we have a bigger problem with mental illness than other countries. <cite>potdnewb posted [p:972984039] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite><quote>we have a bigger problem with mental illness than other countries.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 04/21/23 10:26:49 AM #16:	redline65 posted... Because it's not both. A person chooses to get a gun. A person chooses to shoot someone. Guns don't make anyone do anything. It's 100% the PERSON. then why are americans worse people than other nations? --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:972984393] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>Because it's not both. A person chooses to get a gun. A person chooses to shoot someone. Guns don't make anyone do anything. It's 100% the PERSON.</quote>then why are americans worse people than other nations?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SinisterSlay 04/21/23 10:45:47 AM #17:	It's a people problem. Get rid of the people and the problem is solved. Possibly legit argument could be made that it's a media problem. This shits been happening for 6000 years but only recently have we all had access to be informed of every single murder. --- He who stumbles around in darkness with a stick is blind. But he who... sticks out in darkness... is... fluorescent! - Brother Silence Lose 50 experience <cite>SinisterSlay posted [p:972984686] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>It's a people problem.Get rid of the people and the problem is solved.Possibly legit argument could be made that it's a media problem. This shits been happening for 6000 years but only recently have we all had access to be informed of every single murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 04/21/23 10:50:11 AM #18:	Why is this person acting like anyone is saying guns "make" people do things? That's absolutely idiotic. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:972984753] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Why is this person acting like anyone is saying guns "make" people do things? That's absolutely idiotic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 04/21/23 10:53:46 AM #19:	redline65 posted... I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive. Anecdotal evidence is awesome --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:972984823] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive.</quote>Anecdotal evidence is awesome</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 04/21/23 12:05:56 PM #20:	hey wait i want an answer to my question --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:972986170] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>hey wait i want an answer to my question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/21/23 1:05:01 PM #21:	The truth of the matter is that proper handling as a focus is much less of a thing now than it was before the 1970s, that too many Americans since the rise of Westerns as a genre in media have grown to see guns and their firepower as a thing to aspire or to fear and not as a tool to work or live with, that the last forty years worth of events have made too many people on edge all the while help people require is shunned and refused proper funding or development, and, in short, of course we have a gun problem. We have all the makings of one, not to blame the guns themselves, but the culture around them. We have too many people who are angry, on edge, or quite ill, and too many weapons for which those people are trigger happy. We were conditioned to be trigger happy, conditioned to turn on one another. No fix is coming, because the rich and powerful feel quite secure and cozy knowing that none of these projectiles are coming for them. Maybe their puppets in elected office once in a generation, for now, but not ever them. We need to address proper handling and care, we need to address ownership, and we need this thirty years ago. But we also need less division, better education and mental care, and we need those fifty years ago. What we need isn't coming. We're too divided, too on-edge, and too trigger happy to make it come. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:972987349] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>The truth of the matter is that proper handling as a focus is much less of a thing now than it was before the 1970s, that too many Americans since the rise of Westerns as a genre in media have grown to see guns and their firepower as a thing to aspire or to fear and not as a tool to work or live with, that the last forty years worth of events have made too many people on edge all the while help people require is shunned and refused proper funding or development, and, in short, of course we have a gun problem. We have all the makings of one, not to blame the guns themselves, but the culture around them. We have too many people who are angry, on edge, or quite ill, and too many weapons for which those people are trigger happy. We were conditioned to be trigger happy, conditioned to turn on one another. No fix is coming, because the rich and powerful feel quite secure and cozy knowing that none of these projectiles are coming for them. Maybe their puppets in elected office once in a generation, for now, but not ever them.We need to address proper handling and care, we need to address ownership, and we need this thirty years ago. But we also need less division, better education and mental care, and we need those fifty years ago. What we need isn't coming. We're too divided, too on-edge, and too trigger happy to make it come.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaGhosts 04/21/23 1:07:43 PM #22:	The fact that people have to argue about all of this answers any questions needed <cite>NinjaGhosts posted [p:972987404] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>The fact that people have to argue about all of this answers any questions needed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 04/21/23 1:12:15 PM #23:	redline65 posted... Nope, nope, nope. Guns don't facilitate anything. They're inanimate objects. Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do? I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive. You are the problem. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:972987488] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>Nope, nope, nope. Guns don't facilitate anything. They're inanimate objects. Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do? I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive.</quote>You are the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sveksii 04/21/23 1:13:35 PM #24:	redline65 posted... Nope, nope, nope. Guns don't facilitate anything. They're inanimate objects. Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do? I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive. So if someone is robbing your house and you see they have a knife, you're saying you'd react the exact same way if you had a gun as you would if you were unarmed? <cite>sveksii posted [p:972987521] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>Nope, nope, nope. Guns don't facilitate anything. They're inanimate objects. Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do? I've owned guns for 30+ years and not once have they made me do something impulsive.</quote>So if someone is robbing your house and you see they have a knife, you're saying you'd react the exact same way if you had a gun as you would if you were unarmed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/21/23 1:22:17 PM #25:	sveksii posted... So if someone is robbing your house and you see they have a knife, you're saying you'd react the exact same way if you had a gun as you would if you were unarmed? As some of the recent shootings have shown us, some of the gun handlers or owners among the victims certainly don't act any differently from everyone else being shot at. So... Who knows? --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:972987693] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>sveksii posted... </cite><quote>So if someone is robbing your house and you see they have a knife, you're saying you'd react the exact same way if you had a gun as you would if you were unarmed?</quote>As some of the recent shootings have shown us, some of the gun handlers or owners among the victims certainly don't act any differently from everyone else being shot at. So... Who knows?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlockWatcher 04/21/23 1:43:34 PM #26:	sveksii posted... So if someone is robbing your house and you see they have a knife, you're saying you'd react the exact same way if you had a gun as you would if you were unarmed? fight or flight? Or are you asking if he would fight differently? --- 1 John 2: 15-17 <cite>BlockWatcher posted [p:972988065] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>sveksii posted... </cite><quote>So if someone is robbing your house and you see they have a knife, you're saying you'd react the exact same way if you had a gun as you would if you were unarmed?</quote>fight or flight? Or are you asking if he would fight differently?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ogurisama 04/21/23 1:53:00 PM #27:	Even if it has to do with mental health (whichis definitely part of it), maybe you should have mental health checks before someone can purchase a firearm. Also add firearm training and safe storage laws. The people worried about such laws shouldnt be owning guns. --- http://cdn-android.apptap.com/img/870/mobi.colortrilogy.bitlink/267135850.png https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/5/uv4r7nGyrE6ylt2lHGWpiQ2.gif <cite>Ogurisama posted [p:972988266] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Even if it has to do with mental health (whichis definitely part of it), maybe you should have mental health checks before someone can purchase a firearm. Also add firearm training and safe storage laws. The people worried about such laws shouldnt be owning guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/21/23 1:54:15 PM #28:	Ogurisama posted... Even if it has to do with mental health (whichis definitely part of it), maybe you should have mental health checks before someone can purchase a firearm. Also add firearm training and safe storage laws. The people worried about such laws shouldnt be owning guns. Hear, hear. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:972988289] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Ogurisama posted... </cite><quote>Even if it has to do with mental health (whichis definitely part of it), maybe you should have mental health checks before someone can purchase a firearm. Also add firearm training and safe storage laws. The people worried about such laws shouldnt be owning guns.</quote>Hear, hear.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewood18 04/21/23 1:56:45 PM #29:	Australia --- Nobody is perfect. Well, one guy was but we killed him. <cite>Firewood18 posted [p:972988349] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Australia </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krow_Incarnate 04/21/23 3:44:49 PM #30:	redline65 posted... You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns. Found the gimmick account. --- Hail Hydra <cite>Krow_Incarnate posted [p:972990472] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>You just said what the problem actually is - evil people. A gun is just an inanimate object. The problem is PEOPLE. Crazy, mentally ill, psychotic PEOPLE. Focus on fixing that instead of blaming guns.</quote>Found the gimmick account.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 04/21/23 4:03:32 PM #31:	This person attacked his girlfriend with a sledgehammer and had a history of anger towards children, these are exactly the people that republicans want to be able to easily buy guns. --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:972990874] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>This person attacked his girlfriend with a sledgehammer and had a history of anger towards children, these are exactly the people that republicans want to be able to easily buy guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/21/23 4:23:39 PM #32:	They're also the people who consistently vote for the letter R just for being the letter R, and not else. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:972991217] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>They're also the people who consistently vote for the letter R just for being the letter R, and not else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grendel_Prime 04/21/23 4:42:06 PM #33:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/9/AAA-LjAAEZ75.jpg --- http://i.imgur.com/ocx9d7F.gifv <cite>Grendel_Prime posted [p:972991533] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/9/AAA-LjAAEZ75.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SinisterSlay 04/21/23 4:44:22 PM #34:	Grendel_Prime posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/9/AAA-LjAAEZ75.jpg Nice one --- He who stumbles around in darkness with a stick is blind. But he who... sticks out in darkness... is... fluorescent! - Brother Silence Lose 50 experience <cite>SinisterSlay posted [p:972991570] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Grendel_Prime posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/9/AAA-LjAAEZ75.jpg</quote>Nice one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/21/23 5:00:26 PM #35:	redline65 posted... Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do? Uhh, yes. Very much so. Whether or not I have a hammer will all but single-handedly decide whether or not I try to drive a nail that needs driving, and the only reason it's not the sole deciding factor is that I can use other objects as an improvised hammer in a pinch (which could be argued to count as "having a hammer"). "Facilitate" simply means "to enable or make easier," which is exactly the role any tool is meant to play (it's literally why we make tools). Guns absolutely facilitate lethal violence. This does not mean owning a gun will cause you to be violent, but it does mean that owning a gun means that if you decide to be violent (for whatever reason), the outcome is much more likely to be a serious injury or death than if you did not own a gun. sveksii posted... And honestly mental health in particular is a red herring, as there isn't even a meaningful correlation between mental illness and (gun) violence, but good job blaming a common scapegoat. I would argue that anyone that shoots others outside of cases of self-defense is not mentally healthy as a matter of definition, but that is indeed distinct from having a formal "mental illness" that can be diagnosed and treated. Gun violence (along with other violent crimes) can be expected to decrease if mental health services become readily available, but even giving every single person in the country a personal therapist who has a daily appointment with them to check up on them (an impossible extreme) isn't going to eliminate anywhere close to all of it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:972991891] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>redline65 posted... </cite><quote>Does a hammer or baseball bat facilitate people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do?</quote>Uhh, yes. Very much so. Whether or not I have a hammer will all but single-handedly decide whether or not I try to drive a nail that needs driving, and the only reason it's not the sole deciding factor is that I can use other objects as an improvised hammer in a pinch (which could be argued to count as "having a hammer"). "Facilitate" simply means "to enable or make easier," which is exactly the role any tool is meant to play (it's literally why we make tools). Guns absolutely facilitate lethal violence. This does not mean owning a gun will cause you to be violent, but it does mean that owning a gun means that if you decide to be violent (for whatever reason), the outcome is much more likely to be a serious injury or death than if you did not own a gun.sveksii posted... </cite><quote>And honestly mental health in particular is a red herring, as there isn't even a meaningful correlation between mental illness and (gun) violence, but good job blaming a common scapegoat.</quote>I would argue that anyone that shoots others outside of cases of self-defense is not mentally healthy as a matter of definition, but that is indeed distinct from having a formal "mental illness" that can be diagnosed and treated. Gun violence (along with other violent crimes) can be expected to decrease if mental health services become readily available, but even giving every single person in the country a personal therapist who has a daily appointment with them to check up on them (an impossible extreme) isn't going to eliminate anywhere close to all of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 04/21/23 9:52:10 PM #36:	Jen0125 posted... Why is this person acting like anyone is saying guns "make" people do things? That's absolutely idiotic. This isn't your first time talking to a conservative. They don't engage in genuine arguments, they fabricate an argument they wish to debate against. It's because they don't have a legitimate point. The US has a gun problem, objectively, so they just regurgitate some nonsense because there is no method through which they can attempt to argue we don't have a gun problem otherwise. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:972997185] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite><quote>Why is this person acting like anyone is saying guns "make" people do things? That's absolutely idiotic.</quote>This isn't your first time talking to a conservative. They don't engage in genuine arguments, they fabricate an argument they wish to debate against. It's because they don't have a legitimate point. The US has a gun problem, objectively, so they just regurgitate some nonsense because there is no method through which they can attempt to argue we don't have a gun problem otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mofuji 04/21/23 10:53:50 PM #37:	"We need to ban guns!" Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns. "We need to ban illegal guns!" --- "Youkai is evil because Youaki is bad. And I'm gonna exterminate them." ~ Reimu Hakurei during the 2016 US Presidential Campaign <cite>Mofuji posted [p:972998167] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>"We need to ban guns!"Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns."We need to ban illegal guns!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 04/21/23 11:04:46 PM #38:	Mofuji posted... "We need to ban guns!" Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns. "We need to ban illegal guns!" yawn <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:972998322] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Mofuji posted... </cite><quote>"We need to ban guns!"Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns."We need to ban illegal guns!"</quote>yawn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 04/21/23 11:15:16 PM #39:	There've been so many of these fucked up stories lately - kids getting shot for no fucking reason. It's disgusting --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:972998468] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>There've been so many of these fucked up stories lately - kids getting shot for no fucking reason. It's disgusting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 04/21/23 11:15:48 PM #40:	Mofuji posted... "We need to ban guns!" Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns. "We need to ban illegal guns!" hello I live in a country with less guns congratulations on living in a country that can't think --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:972998477] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Mofuji posted... </cite><quote>"We need to ban guns!"Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns."We need to ban illegal guns!"</quote>hello I live in a country with less guns congratulations on living in a country that can't think</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 04/21/23 11:20:52 PM #41:	VampireCoyote posted... This person attacked his girlfriend with a sledgehammer and had a history of anger towards children, these are exactly the people that republicans want to be able to easily buy guns. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:972998530] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>VampireCoyote posted... </cite><quote>This person attacked his girlfriend with a sledgehammer and had a history of anger towards children, these are exactly the people that republicans want to be able to easily buy guns.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ozmose 04/21/23 11:32:42 PM #42:	Mofuji posted... "We need to ban guns!" Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns. "We need to ban illegal guns!" Exactly. People seem to forget that laws only work against people that actually obey the law. Gun laws will only ever be as effective as drug laws, and it's pretty damn clear how well those work. --- Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. - Oscar Wilde <cite>Ozmose posted [p:972998666] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Mofuji posted... </cite><quote>"We need to ban guns!"Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns."We need to ban illegal guns!"</quote>Exactly. People seem to forget that laws only work against people that actually obey the law. Gun laws will only ever be as effective as drug laws, and it's pretty damn clear how well those work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/21/23 11:37:52 PM #43:	BlackScythe0 posted... Well obviously. If you're suggesting only the US has mentally ill people you're nation bashing. What exactly did you expect? Stop nation bashing. Americans are not all crazy, mentally ill, psychotic, or evil. We have a gun problem, not an excessive amount of mental illness. Florida alone proves that wrong. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:972998725] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite><quote>Well obviously. If you're suggesting only the US has mentally ill people you're nation bashing. What exactly did you expect?Stop nation bashing. Americans are not all crazy, mentally ill, psychotic, or evil. We have a gun problem, not an excessive amount of mental illness. </quote>Florida alone proves that wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 04/21/23 11:42:44 PM #44:	Revelation34 posted... Florida alone proves that wrong. Yawn https://www.pnj.com/story/news/2019/03/29/florida-man-product-florida-sunshine-law/3310306002/ It's all due to Florida's Sunshine Law, which was passed in 1991. It guarantees free public access to Florida's government documents and proceedings, minus some exemptions. Among the allowed documents are police arrest records. It's interesting and even ironic that the very vehicle which allows these stories to be easily available created a character who is now the butt of late-night jokes. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:972998782] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite><quote>Florida alone proves that wrong.</quote>Yawnhttps://www.pnj.com/story/news/2019/03/29/florida-man-product-florida-sunshine-law/3310306002/<quote>It's all due to Florida's Sunshine Law, which was passed in 1991. It guarantees free public access to Florida's government documents and proceedings, minus some exemptions. Among the allowed documents are police arrest records. It's interesting and even ironic that the very vehicle which allows these stories to be easily available created a character who is now the butt of late-night jokes.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/21/23 11:43:16 PM #45:	Mofuji posted... "We need to ban guns!" Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns. "We need to ban illegal guns!" Is it really that hard to understand the difference between regulating guns and banning them outright? If it helps, consider this: How many illegal guns were purchased legally at some point in the supply chain? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:972998788] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Mofuji posted... </cite><quote>"We need to ban guns!"Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns."We need to ban illegal guns!"</quote>Is it really that hard to understand the difference between regulating guns and banning them outright?If it helps, consider this: How many illegal guns were purchased legally at some point in the supply chain?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/22/23 12:02:06 AM #46:	BlackScythe0 posted... Yawn https://www.pnj.com/story/news/2019/03/29/florida-man-product-florida-sunshine-law/3310306002/ And? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:972999015] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite><quote>Yawnhttps://www.pnj.com/story/news/2019/03/29/florida-man-product-florida-sunshine-law/3310306002/</quote>And?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ozmose 04/22/23 12:20:09 AM #47:	adjl posted... Is it really that hard to understand the difference between regulating guns and banning them outright? If it helps, consider this: How many illegal guns were purchased legally at some point in the supply chain? Most of the regulations proposed are banning something. People might be willing to negotiate if there was some actual give and take involved, but there's none of that. It's all stick and no carrot. It's all talk anyway, with absolutely no consideration of how it would be enforced. The end result for most of them would be millions of law abiding people being turned into felons with the stroke of a pen, or turning over billions of dollars in personal property. Are you really surprised people are opposed to that? --- Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. - Oscar Wilde <cite>Ozmose posted [p:972999247] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite><quote>Is it really that hard to understand the difference between regulating guns and banning them outright?If it helps, consider this: How many illegal guns were purchased legally at some point in the supply chain?</quote>Most of the regulations proposed are banning something. People might be willing to negotiate if there was some actual give and take involved, but there's none of that. It's all stick and no carrot. It's all talk anyway, with absolutely no consideration of how it would be enforced. The end result for most of them would be millions of law abiding people being turned into felons with the stroke of a pen, or turning over billions of dollars in personal property. Are you really surprised people are opposed to that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 04/22/23 1:30:52 AM #48:	"What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?" "What part of "well-regulated" don't YOU understand?" --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:973000124] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>"What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?""What part of "well-regulated" don't YOU understand?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grendel_Prime 04/22/23 10:27:26 AM #49:	Ozmose posted... Most of the regulations proposed are banning something. People might be willing to negotiate if there was some actual give and take involved The bans are largely for bump stocks, high-capacity magazines, trigger adapters, fully automatic firearms... You have some (Beto O'Rourke, for example) calling for the ban of certain types of firearm (AR-15). Very few outside of the extreme fringe are calling for an outright wholesale ban on firearms. Considering this, and addressing your point about "actual" give-and-take, where is the give from 2A defenders? They fight every regulation. Red Flag laws, background checks, etc. Even "mild" regulation is pushed back upon by the ardent defenders of 2A. There's no negotiation because those 2A defenders are opposed to even reasonable checks and balances. That's not a fringe stance, either. That's the standard line in the sand. --- http://i.imgur.com/ocx9d7F.gifv <cite>Grendel_Prime posted [p:973004226] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Ozmose posted... </cite><quote>Most of the regulations proposed are banning something. People might be willing to negotiate if there was some actual give and take involved</quote>The bans are largely for bump stocks, high-capacity magazines, trigger adapters, fully automatic firearms... You have some (Beto O'Rourke, for example) calling for the ban of certain types of firearm (AR-15). Very few outside of the extreme fringe are calling for an outright wholesale ban on firearms.Considering this, and addressing your point about "actual" give-and-take, where is the give from 2A defenders? They fight every regulation. Red Flag laws, background checks, etc. Even "mild" regulation is pushed back upon by the ardent defenders of 2A. There's no negotiation because those 2A defenders are opposed to even reasonable checks and balances. That's not a fringe stance, either. That's the standard line in the sand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/22/23 12:45:18 PM #50:	Ozmose posted... Most of the regulations proposed are banning something. Well, yes. That's what regulations do: They make it illegal to not follow them. Ozmose posted... The end result for most of them would be millions of law abiding people being turned into felons with the stroke of a pen, Any new regulation that required current owners to take action to become compliant with it would inevitably have a grace period before it was implemented, as is pretty standard for such regulations in any context. Nobody's being turned into a felon overnight; I'd expect at least a year between the announcement of new regulations and them coming into effect. Ozmose posted... or turning over billions of dollars in personal property. With reasonable regulations, any property that does have to be turned over is going to be stuff they shouldn't have in the first place. There are potentially ways around even having to do that, though, such as requiring prohibited weapons to be rendered inoperable (so collectors can still enjoy staring at them) or having stricter storage and registration requirements to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands. Ozmose posted... Are you really surprised people are opposed to that? Surprised? Of course not. Nobody should ever be surprised that the 2A worshippers get uppity about anyone suggesting that they shouldn't just be able to have whatever guns they want with zero restrictions. I just don't care. Registration, background and mental health checks, waiting periods, and secure storage are all things responsible gun owners should already be doing, let alone be okay with having codified into law. Those that aren't okay with it generally aren't the sort of people that should have guns in the first place, so I really couldn't care less if they get uppity about having their guns taken away. Ozmose posted... People might be willing to negotiate if there was some actual give and take involved "Well, I don't like you putting this stop sign up on this corner, but I'll accept it if you let me go 110 mph through the next 3 blocks." Except, you know, obviously not. Laws are not about "give and take." They're about improving public safety (in this sort of case). That's not to say that their impact on those that don't actually threaten public safety shouldn't be limited wherever possible, but saying "I know you're trying to cut down on the murder rate, but what's in it for me?" is so obviously and insanely asinine that I'm astounded I have to spell this out for you. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:973006157] in But there ... [t:80418355]...</cite> <quote>Ozmose posted... </cite><quote>Most of the regulations proposed are banning something.</quote>Well, yes. That's what regulations do: They make it illegal to not follow them.Ozmose posted... </cite><quote>The end result for most of them would be millions of law abiding people being turned into felons with the stroke of a pen,</quote>Any new regulation that required current owners to take action to become compliant with it would inevitably have a grace period before it was implemented, as is pretty standard for such regulations in any context. Nobody's being turned into a felon overnight; I'd expect at least a year between the announcement of new regulations and them coming into effect.Ozmose posted... </cite><quote>or turning over billions of dollars in personal property.</quote>With reasonable regulations, any property that does have to be turned over is going to be stuff they shouldn't have in the first place. There are potentially ways around even having to do that, though, such as requiring prohibited weapons to be rendered inoperable (so collectors can still enjoy staring at them) or having stricter storage and registration requirements to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.Ozmose posted... </cite><quote>Are you really surprised people are opposed to that?</quote>Surprised? Of course not. Nobody should ever be surprised that the 2A worshippers get uppity about anyone suggesting that they shouldn't just be able to have whatever guns they want with zero restrictions. I just don't care. Registration, background and mental health checks, waiting periods, and secure storage are all things responsible gun owners should already be doing, let alone be okay with having codified into law. Those that aren't okay with it generally aren't the sort of people that should have guns in the first place, so I really couldn't care less if they get uppity about having their guns taken away.Ozmose posted... </cite><quote>People might be willing to negotiate if there was some actual give and take involved</quote>"Well, I don't like you putting this stop sign up on this corner, but I'll accept it if you let me go 110 mph through the next 3 blocks."Except, you know, obviously not. Laws are not about "give and take." They're about improving public safety (in this sort of case). That's not to say that their impact on those that don't actually threaten public safety shouldn't be limited wherever possible, but saying "I know you're trying to cut down on the murder rate, but what's in it for me?" is so obviously and insanely asinine that I'm astounded I have to spell this out for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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