Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 4 - Round 2... FIGHT!

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I don't buy Lea as scum at all.

Lopen posted...

Anyway

I'm leaning back towards Kirby being scum. Probably scum GF that scumteam is soft bussing to try and get a scan on him.

Kirby just hasn't shown an actual inclination towards attempting to think today.

My official guess at this time is

Lea
Plum
Kirby
IGCD

But not a lot of faith in those last two. Lot of contenders there. Lot of people lurking and playing lazy makes it hard.

I didn't want to ask earlier and distract you from the plum/lea bit that you've been focusing on. But what do you make of corrik/ isquen?

htaeD posted...

Also wait, who targeted Lea?

I actually like this reaction to Isquen's claim from death. I mean, no, he shouldn't reveal his target but this feels like a legitimate town goof. Don't think scum death is this careless

Corrik7 posted...

The person that visited Lea is assuredly scum.

Corrik7 posted...

I visited Lea last night.

lol

Kirby321 posted...

Could you elaborate where exactly I've failed to make attempts on thinking? Or is this just because I disagree with your whole "Ulti and Lea are bussing scummates" theory

Less I don't know who you think are scum and while you have some town reads I am directly attacking one and you haven't really said what makes Lea so townish.

We are deep into day 2 some stands should be made

MZero posted...

I actually like this reaction to Isquen's claim from death. I mean, no, he shouldn't reveal his target but this feels like a legitimate town goof. Don't think scum death is this careless

This is a decent point

masterplum posted...

Er rather, you are considering the opposite is a possibility. That Isquen just decided to straight up claim watcher unprovoked as scum

I am just thinking out loud because Im weighing whats in it for Corrik and I dont think its a great play if hes scum. Obviously town and scum alike make less than great plays all the time, no disrespect intended to Corrik if hes scum. But yeah I lean Isquen is town. Thing is on Star Trek I hopped aboard a few obvious scum lynches and then they flipped town, so that game taught me to stop and think things through a bit more carefully even when it seems like a no brainer. And in Star Trek there was a cop and a lazy tracker, so could scum Isquen roll the dice banking on not getting counterclaimed by a watcher specifically? Its unlikely imo but not impossible.

I'm back

wallmasterz posted...

I am just thinking out loud because Im weighing whats in it for Corrik and I dont think its a great play if hes scum.

There's an obvious potential benefit, right? Watcher is one of the most powerful scanning roles, arguably as strong as cop. Taking it off the board might be worth the trade.

Yeah, I agree and said as much in post 4.292.

Wait what the heck I totally missed Isquen's claim

Why

Isquen is probably scum drawing doctor save. Scum probably has a flavor cop that found a strong role they need off the board.

##Unvote
##Vote: Isquen

Peace___Frog posted...

Did it not just work for Lea, Sultan, and Chris?

I still think Lea is town, but let's not disparage lopen about it.

Corrik, i don't understand what about isq's play was so bad. He didn't want to out a potential power role, yeah? You're arguing that the person has to be scum from his perspective but now you're saying it was you and you're not scum... if i am ever watcher, how would you prefer i play it out?

You absolutely don't claim if you are watcher and aren't going to reveal your info. Why would you even claim then. It's asinine.

Yes, he should feel I am scum. He said I am townier than Lea, despite the evidence suggesting otherwise prior.

Also 17 suggests 4 scum and one third party or 5 scum.

Just so we are clear on that.

The second shot very well could be a serial killer. If town actually had a watcher (hint isquen probably isn't actually one and trying to draw a shot), then scum has a ninja and or a jack with a ninja power.

Hey Corrik, why are you insisting that Isquen has to claim who visited Lea but you're not claiming what you targeted Lea with? Seems pretty hypocritical

Corrik7 posted...

I never said Isquen is scum, Plum. I said I am going to shoot him knowing he is town if he doesn't stop playing anti-town and his role wrong. You either don't claim at all or you claim all your information.

Lopen posted...

Less I don't know who you think are scum and while you have some town reads I am directly attacking one and you haven't really said what makes Lea so townish.

We are deep into day 2 some stands should be made

I've stated my stance on Lea several times. Not my fault you're so convinced she's scum that you refuse to accept any other viewpoint.

I still think you're town. I forgot I had Hb in my town pile (or more appropriately I forgot he was even in thsi game), so he has since fallen from there, and I expect more.

I have no reason to doubt Isquen's Watcher claim and believe he's town. And, well, my vote's on Corrik, is it not?

I'm also skeptical of Plum, as I've made vocal today. His opening posts have been major red flags and reek of perspective slips.

I've said all of this and more. Apologies for not formatting it into a nice list, but I take offense that you think I've not expressed my thoughts and views this game at all. Don't undermine my efforts to satisfy your own conclusions.

MZero posted...

Hey Corrik, why are you insisting that Isquen has to claim who visited Lea but you're not claiming what you targeted Lea with?

Ooh, ooh, can I answer this one?

MZero posted...

Hey Corrik, why are you insisting that Isquen has to claim who visited Lea but you're not claiming what you targeted Lea with? Seems pretty hypocritical

Isquen doesn't have to claim now. I have already proven he was full of it and being anti-town.

##unvote
##vote: Corrik

Thank you for proving you're being lazy.

Isquen posted...

##unvote
##vote: Corrik

Thank you for proving you're being lazy.

Sorry I ruined your fakeclaim party.

So which is it? I am townier than Lea and supposedly a doc save or scum or *ding ding ding* you had no idea I visited her and were full of it.

That's because one of three things happened.

1.) You didn't and are trying to save face.
2.) You're a motion detector and visited *me* but got caught with your pants down when I claimed.
3.) You actually visited Lea as a Ninja and did... nothing?

Now, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that #3 didn't happen. If it *did,* then we *do* have a SK and scum used their EK on Ben or Sbell. But... who's to be sure? Because if #1 or #2 happened, then Lynch All Liars.

Isquen posted...

That's because one of three things happened.

1.) You didn't and are trying to save face.
2.) You're a motion detector and visited *me* but got caught with your pants down when I claimed.
3.) You actually visited Lea as a Ninja and did... nothing?

Now, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that #3 didn't happen. If it *did,* then we *do* have a SK and scum used their EK on Ben or Sbell. But... who's to be sure? Because if #1 or #2 happened, then Lynch All Liars.

None of your three scenarios make any sense. Just so we are clear.

That royal we is looking awfully tacky, there.

Isquen posted...

That royal we is looking awfully tacky, there.

What were hoping to achieve with your gambit? It has a lot of moving parts that could backfire. Do you see why it is anti-town yet? You took what you felt was safe and inserted a lot of fake information into the game which can mislead reads, with no end game at all to achieve expected value from it.

Corrik7 posted...

Isquen doesn't have to claim now. I have already proven he was full of it and being anti-town.

That doesn't answer my question

Alright screw it. This may be a misplay but whatever

I am just going to full disclosure here because I'm sure scum knows who I am.

I claim Lei Wulong, Town Cop. Please read.

Last night I had the result of my action stolen. This has to be a scum role. I came into today knowing they knew I was Cop.

Knowing this, I decided to heavily breadcrumb having scanned Lea, knowing that they would have to try something if I made it blatant enough, otherwise my flip would implicate Lea because town doesnt know my action was stolen.

Isquen's claim is too perfect as it in theory draws the doc off of me as well as gives a story "no Lopen definitely did not scan Lea, watcher didn't see him" I never see a watcher claiming there ever. It had to be a scum move.

(For the record I scanned red, figured Lea would be dead if town so was a waste of a scan)

Your scum are
Isquen
Lea
Plum

Last one? Who knows. Definitely not Corrik. Probably IGCD.

Also I'm so happy I got Lei he's my favorite Tekken character.

Note also Plum's reaction earlier today to me saying Roleblocker wasn't that strong and scum probably had a stronger role

Kirby struck me as suspicious today too for the same reason, and yeah it could be him over IGCD. I feel this was scum tipping their hand knowing I know scum has a role thief.

IGCD just feels so blatantly scummy day 1 I was feeling it had to be a play you know?

So, Lopen, what's going to happen when I flip exactly what I said? Is the scum team, in reality, Corrik/Lopen/Lea, with Abacus hiding behind a veneer of constant inactivity?

The fact that you upped and claimed *instead* of Corrik is very, very telling.

I claimed because if you draw doc I'm dea anyway

Do you think there isn't a cop in the setup Isquen

Oh, I buy there's a cop. Why do you not buy there's a watcher?

You know what's telling is jumping to me being scum instead of misreading the situation

When I claimed cop

Like there seriously is no cop

I don't buy there's a watcher that claimed when you did

Isquen posted...

So, Lopen, what's going to happen when I flip exactly what I said? Is the scum team, in reality, Corrik/Lopen/Lea, with Abacus hiding behind a veneer of constant inactivity?

hold on. Why on earth are you floating a Lopen/Lea scumteam as reasonable?

He also thinks scum would claim cop blind with an entire game to counter it

It's because he's panicking scum because I crushed his gambit into dust.

Who needs scans I'll get all the scum without em.

What are we even doing.

Neither of you two make any sense for either of these claims.

I explained clearly why I needed to claim. Don't put my claim in the same boat as his.

i know why you think you had to claim. but none of that logic really follows unless you buy a lot of rabbit holes.

So what you think a town aligned role thief makes sense then? Because that's the only way I shouldn't claim here.

Isquen posted... (1-226)

I don't think I've ever gotten a "that's so Isquen!" role that I didnt have to fakeclaim.

Isquen posted... (3-68)

I'm tired and taking a short catchup break. Should be back in to see the end of day.

Watching the discourse when I can, and what I've been able to skim, Ulti is being inconsistent- which is itself consistent. Lopen's not in full paranoia mode, which is usually a town showing, but he also has no pressure put on him. And rightfully so. Kirby, I dont know how I feel about YOU, of all people, saying I find myself as "blundering massively" since I havent thrown an endgame since... FFXIV?

Lea is not to be discounted either. I find her claim dubious considering her opening post directed at IGCD. Plum, I'm not even touching because he always looks awful to me.

Currently I wanna throw my vote back on Peaf but I dont know where that'll go because he has laid low while maintaining just enough activity to not cause any ripples. Havent had the time nor energy to isolate other posters, really. Looking forward to the weekend and some rest.

Isquen posted... 4-86

1.) I'm not satisfied by Lopen arguing, but speaking from experience, yes, I know Lea is a known busser. The three *I'm* curious about are still Kirby (something about day 1, with a good ol' gut feeling,) Plum (specifically for voting Lopen) and Lea for being agreeable with me immediately against Kirby (which is peculiar in its own right.)

2.) I'd still like to hear from some of the inactives. Yes, I know I am being hypocritical here. I'm perched on the fence for voting and can't find my way who else to glare menacingly at just off what they said day 1.

Isquen posted... 4-173

But whatever, I'll stop crowing on about that. Corrik of the Pond! What is your wisdom('s reasoning?)

All of these were before I claimed. Note that Corrik immediately put me on the bottom of his list after I apparently cozied up to someone.

Why do you need to breadcrumb your watch target. Explain the point. What can town possibly get out of knowing who you watched after you died.

Lopen posted...

So what you think a town aligned role thief makes sense then? Because that's the only way I shouldn't claim here.

I agree that I don't think a town aligned role thief makes sense. However, I REALLY doubt scum has both a roleblock *and* a "screw you we get your info now" too.

Lopen posted...

Why do you need to breadcrumb your watch target. Explain the point. What can town possibly get out of knowing who you watched after you died.

For starters, the town protection knows that I know who they are.

Isquen posted...

I agree that I don't think a town aligned role thief makes sense. However, I REALLY doubt scum has both a roleblock *and* a "screw you we get your info now" too.

So I'm a cop lying about getting hit by a role thief then? Which is it?

Lopen posted...

So I'm a cop lying about getting hit by a role thief then? Which is it?

Something similar. Tekken's a fighting game. Maybe red's a grappler or performed a command counter. Or maybe you jumped on a Corrik grenade.

Isquen posted...

For starters, the town protection knows that I know who they are.

... and this serves what point?

Like why would a town protection knowing you know who they are matter when you're dead

You do realize that's what breadcrumbs are for right. If you're alive you just tell them what it is.