Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 4 - Round 2... FIGHT!

(+) Yeah! (+)

The fighting continued. As it always does. Perhaps getting a previous two-time winner defeated first fueled the spirit in everyone because no less than two more fighters have been defeated and eliminated from the tournament.

Ben has been killed. He was

No need to go easy on me.

You would think at some point the Mishima family had been worked with enough and then suddenly Heihachi has some illegitimate Swedish child coming after him as well. We havent even met your mother yet. You seem to have a much more heroic sense of justice however, so perhaps the world need not to worry about you. The other fighters do however, as youre really quick which makes you tough to battle against. You are one of those characters where if someone new plays, they can reasonably just button mash, itll win half the time against regular players that are not experts.

You are Lars Alexandersson - TOWN Vanilla

As vanilla, you have neither special powers nor actions.

You win when all threats to TOWN have been eliminated.

SBell has been killed. He was

Spirits, give me strength!

You are the adoptive child of some native tribe living in Arizona. Fortunately, your new life was interesting enough that you began studying archaeology to learn more about your forefathers. Your adoptive mother fought in the first two King of Iron Fist Tournaments, then you fought in the third to save her and you could have both headed home after this. However, your priorities then changed a bit. Learning that deserts are slowly consuming your homeland, you began trying to restore the global ecosystem and reforest your homeland. Somehow this is resolves by being in every single tournament afterwards, though you randomly became a blogger for no reason in the most recent one. Yeah, Im pretty sure they have had no idea what to do with the Chang family for a while now but likes to keep the move set available.

You are Julia Chang - TOWN Vanilla

As vanilla, you have neither special powers nor actions.

You win when all threats to TOWN have been eliminated.

Fighters still participating in the King of Iron Fist Tournament VIII:
1) Abacus
2) Corrik
3) Death
4) Hb
5) IGCD
6) Isquen
7) Kirby
8) Lea
9) Lopen
10) MZero
11) Peaf
12) Plum
13) Red
14) Wallz

The Defeated:
LD1: Ulti - Jin Kazama - MISHIMA ZAIBATSU Roleblocker
KN1: Ben - Lars Alexandersson - TOWN Vanilla
KN1: SBell - Julia Chang - TOWN Vanilla

With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch. Day ends Monday at 7pm EST, approximately 48 hours from now.

You may begin posting.

This isn't 1984! How could you do it to Julia?!

Well that was fun, the lynch I mean.

Damn he really is the new mzero

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I did indeed. I'd like to know what they were up to, between the dead bodies and the flip.

##vote: Kirby

...they who?

Anyway my thinking was that Ulti probably looked unsave-able to the rest of scum early on, so I dont think the votals say too much
Though Corrik and Abacus look pretty bad regardless.

I like the votes on kirby.

##Vote: kirby

I also want to keep plum and hb in the conversation.

Now this is interesting.

IGCD is the one that jumps out to me but he could just be bad town.

Thinking Corrik is probably scum too yeah. His half defense of Ulti could be him trying to put up a defense without actually committing

Sbell kill has to be third party right? No way scum uses a double kill on sbell. Thats also interesting. Who was thinking sbell was scum

Now there is a lot to work with here

Welp guess plum is scum for opening the can of independents.

Though honestly I'd say Sbell was probably (or at least partially) killed because his interaction with Ulti sorta townconfirmed him. Ben is the one thats giving me more to think about.

Probably time to actually post rationale instead of just random musings. We are probably past random musings time

masterplum posted...

Something bothers me

When did IGCD go from he is voting me for no reason other than he is sheeping (That was his word)

To I am somehow the number 1 most likely scum even when people are moving on to other targets?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ulti is the person I'm supposed to be sheeping, and as I've already stated that is truly only relevant at EoD anyway.

This is why I said IGCD jumps out. Now that Ulti flips scum it is especially concerning.

But like I said IGCD marches to his own drum. If it was anyone else I would probably vote them (Well no, because the 3 quick votes on Kirby probably means there is a scan on Kirby)

But if there aren't any scans out there and IGCD wasn't IGCD my vote would go here.

But you are right in that I dont think either shot came from a townvig.
I should hope not.

masterplum posted...

Now this is interesting.

IGCD is the one that jumps out to me but he could just be bad town.

Thinking Corrik is probably scum too yeah. His half defense of Ulti could be him trying to put up a defense without actually committing

Sbell kill has to be third party right? No way scum uses a double kill on sbell. Thats also interesting. Who was thinking sbell was scum

Now there is a lot to work with here

This entire post except for the last sentence is a whole bunch of "wat"

htaeD posted...

Welp guess plum is scum for opening the can of independents.

Though honestly I'd say Sbell was probably (or at least partially) killed because his interaction with Ulti sorta townconfirmed him. Ben is the one thats giving me more to think about.

Not sure if serious.

Ben is thrown around for night kills all of the time. No idea why you would be puzzled by him.

Sbell I don't think has been killed by scum N1 ever. He is totally fine, but definitely not N1 kill worthy

Peace___Frog posted...

This entire post except for the last sentence is a whole bunch of "wat"

The IGCD comment I expounded on, but I'm not sure what you are confused about with the other points

Though actually...

Hmm

I know nothing about flavor, is 2 scum teams a possibility? Unsure if MISHIMA ZAIBATSU is the only faction that could be scum here.

I spent some time mulling it over and I am 80.61% certain Lea is scum. That is slightly more than the 80% certainty I have on Plum so I recommend lynching her. But if we want to go with master "25% chance Ulti is scum" plum that's fine too.

I also am thinking my "Lea is bussing Kirby" thought is wrong and Kirby is probably town.

##Vote: Lea

masterplum posted...

Not sure if serious.

Ben is thrown around for night kills all of the time. No idea why you would be puzzled by him.

Sbell I don't think has been killed by scum N1 ever. He is totally fine, but definitely not N1 kill worthy

Well I dont think you are lying.
Just for some reason I dont remember Ben being that unlucky.

I may also have been giving Sbell too much townpoints in my mind again.

I'm being a little dramatic about it, but basically:
Corrik could be scum but his what, one post defense? was weak and he didn't really put his body into it. I'm hesitant to link them just for that.

The igcd comment I can kind of understand and maybe I'm going too hard into wifom territory, but i cannot see a scum igcd partnering with him that explicitly and early into the day.

I'll be honest, it didn't occur to me that you thought sbell might have been a vig kill. I thought sbell looked super town after the flip (as do lea and especially lopen). Is that not reason enough for scum to kill sbell? I don't understand why you IMMEDIATELY assumed that it was Ben who was the normal scum kill.

htaeD posted...

Well I dont think you are lying.
Just for some reason I dont remember Ben being that unlucky.

I may also have been giving Sbell too much townpoints in my mind again.

Its possible they killed him because because they thought he would be untouchable because his... catching of Ulti not working (I still can not believe that whole thing went down for a host of reasons) is very townish and might as well kill confirmed town now.

Yeah I suppose that might be likely enough to not worry about it too much

masterplum posted...

Though actually...

Hmm

I know nothing about flavor, is 2 scum teams a possibility? Unsure if MISHIMA ZAIBATSU is the only faction that could be scum here.

Oh yeah, it was odd that it didn't just say scum or Mafia in his flip.

When Ulti first "caught" sbell in a slip and we moved on, i said that if either one flips scum then there's probably funny business.

Well, both are dead and one was scum. So there's probably funny business in the setup.

Peace___Frog posted...

I'm being a little dramatic about it, but basically:
Corrik could be scum but his what, one post defense? was weak and he didn't really put his body into it. I'm hesitant to link them just for that.

The igcd comment I can kind of understand and maybe I'm going too hard into wifom territory, but i cannot see a scum igcd partnering with him that explicitly and early into the day.

I'll be honest, it didn't occur to me that you thought sbell might have been a vig kill. I thought sbell looked super town after the flip (as do lea and especially lopen). Is that not reason enough for scum to kill sbell? I don't understand why you IMMEDIATELY assumed that it was Ben who was the normal scum kill.

The other thing Corrik has going against him is he is definitely not playing like Town Corrik. I initially wrote that off as Corrik trying to change his persona to make it harder for him to be read in general and not just in this game but that combined with him defending Ulti makes him stand out

I don't think Sbell was a vig kill. That doesn't make sense. Third party kill does quite a bit though (But I outlined a scenario above that would lead to scum shooting him so we can drop that line of thought)

I'm less convinced on hb.

Plum is being too dumb to be town though. 25% give me a break

Lopen posted...

I'm less convinced on hb.

Plum is being too dumb to be town though. 25% give me a break

Same probability as rolling dice!

Could also be another secret scum member again.
Or a cult.. though I dont know if that fits as much with this flavor.

To elaborate

I'm less convinced on hb because most of my misgivings can be explained by "I'm making him tilt" which is completely possible.

He's not town cleared just more interest in you or plum today. Not at all interested in a Kirby lynch let's not do that.

htaeD posted...

Could also be another secret scum member again.
Or a cult.. though I dont know if that fits as much with this flavor.

Is this a scum post.

I question if Town Death actually considers cult here. That seems like nonsense

I wasnt actually considering it no.
Just throwing it out there so I can look like a genius in the off chance that its true.

Regardless I think we (or at least me) are better of analyzing Ulti's interactions first and worry about the rest later.

Hey Lea

Lopen posted...

Ulti is not protecting plum for the record Ulti is protecting himself. Plum just indirectly got saved by his botch.

How much of this do you think is Lopen being Arrogant vs Lopen already knowing that Ulti is scum because he is on the same team as him.

I'm not going to do my thing. I mulled it over last night and Im being chill about it to save bandwidth.

The reason why I mulled it over is explained yesterday. Ulti alley oop to Lea combined with Lea being alive today when scum clearly had two kills is enough for me. 80.61%. Absolute certainty.

Lopen posted...

The reason why I mulled it over is explained yesterday. Ulti alley oop to Lea combined with Lea being alive today when scum clearly had two kills is enough for me. 80.61%. Absolute certainty.

couldn't you explain this with docfear

masterplum posted...

Sbell kill has to be third party right? No way scum uses a double kill on sbell.

why not

Hbthebattle posted...

couldn't you explain this with docfear

The bonus kill is usually unblockable so doubt it. Sbell was probably strongmanned

So uh, I feel like that was the most wrong in a game of Mafia I have ever been.

Lopen, you get my sheeping powers here as the player that buried Ulti hard.

Vote Lea please thanks

Note also that Plum's gameplan this day is to throw out every theory under the sun aside from Scum extra kill

Why? Because he knows Lea being alive looks bad too. As scum it is his objective to make us believe there is no scum extra kill.

Like seriously in what world does a vig shoot Ben or Sbell

Hell an SK wouldn't either. SK wins by scum hunting unless town gets way ahead.

##unvote

Lopen, you have my attention. Why vote Lea?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So uh, I feel like that was the most wrong in a game of Mafia I have ever been.

--> Me after stanning ben for more than 5 topics during Mario

It's humbling, huh

Kill considerations were this I would figure

Ben - strongman
Sbell - kill
Lopen - docfear
Lea - scum

It was probably between me and Ben for strongman. I'm probably alive because they saw Kirby or Hb as possible mislynches to sic me on while Ben had more solid grounded reads

Kirby getting 3 votes right out the gate lends itself to that too. If I'm wrong about hb AND Kirby then I would be very surprised if one of your 2 remaining scum wasn't in isquen or peaf

Isquen posted...

##unvote

Lopen, you have my attention. Why vote Lea?

Read how Ulti vs Lea went

Read it real carefully

Ulti practically fell on his sword with a wacky gambit-- the alternative is what? He thinks he can get LEA lynched with a flimsy flavor argument? LEA? Ulti is weird but as scum he's very good at the game. This was a calculated move. Note that Ulti really drug the line out too. This was not a move of opportunity this was a planned move-- Lea hadn't mentioned herself being a main in forever.

Then note how Lea reacts. She drives him into the ground. It's not a playful mockery into "hey guys vote this" we all know and love. She completely obliterates him.

The alternative is scum ulti thought he could get town Lea lynched. I don't believe that in a million years.

Also note that Lea had so much vigor in destroying Ulti there-- so why did she not assist in pressuring him in any meaningful way earlier? Lea is not the type to OMGUS. I don't think a weird bad flavor argument would make her flip from "well yeah, Ulti exists" to wanting his head on a pike. If anything, I think she might try to talk him down.

Because think about it

Ben said it best. What is the scum equity in Ulti making that play against town Lea? Does scum Ulti think he can ever ever EVER get Lea lynched with that?

I believe town Lea is considering the same thing. If Ulti hadn't made himself look so hideous the rest of the day I would consider the same thing.