Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 4 - Round 2... FIGHT!

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htaeD posted...

None of this makes sense anyway

The thing to do here if Corrik is not lying (X to doubt!) would be to sametime with Isquen

Why are you still pushing this death

Me saying what a player should have done if I were them =/= me saying what I want a player to do.

(in this case the 2 players arent even the same, Corrik is acting wrong and Isquen acted fine)

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Exactly. Look at our interaction directly prior.

Btw in-between question for you Plum

Why did you think Lopens posts about Ulti day1 were 'posts for the sake of posting'?
Between that and your stance on Sbell it looks to me like you were indeed just defending Ulti in various ways, and I want to know how that happened.

Lea posted...

I mean if true that does imply Isquen didn't know Corrik visited me, since he described the visitor as someone he thought was townier than I, and I don't think he expressed a positive Corrik sentiment

Ah right.
Probably was not the best way to answer that tbh.

htaeD posted...

Btw in-between question for you Plum

Why did you think Lopens posts about Ulti day1 were 'posts for the sake of posting'?
Between that and your stance on Sbell it looks to me like you were indeed just defending Ulti in various ways, and I want to know how that happened.

Because I thought Lopen has been postulating garbage. None of it mattered and none of it was necessary.

I will grant you that Lopen added some of his usual theories to his Ulti crusade. But you didnt think the stuff about Ulti himself had a proper foundation?

Anyway I did a reread mostly on people voting Ulti and why and its interesting to me how it happened more as a gradual movement rather than a major push.

1. Mzero voted Ulti right of the bat.

2. Sbell voted him because of the King claim even if it was a joke.

3. Lopen came in and said Ulti pinged his scumdar twice. A good start. Though his theory on how this was an Ulti softdefense for Ben turned out to be incorrect.
He also assumed Ulti hated images like most did at first, which seemed to make Ulti mad. Could be theater of course, but it was the first time Ulti threatened to afk.
Lopen then voted Ulti for claiming King, saying it was a typical safelist claim. (For once his weird logic turned out to be true, who knew)
He was less agreeable with Sbells weird logic on Ulti and even temporarily unvoted Ulti but revoted him again later. Only to unvote him to vote for Plum instead

4. Kirby then voted on Ulti as a joke but clarified that he wanted Ulti lynched anyway due to some of his actions (The Lopen vote in particular) He at least never unvoted Ulti.

5(but not really) Abacus voted Ulti near the end of topic1 because of how he interacted with Sbell. Though as I said before he unvoted Ulti again and went to vote Corrik and rather easily at that.

5. Lea a long while later voted Ulti once he started that 'main character' nonsense. She did dig into him deeply, but Ulti made her do it. Before that she didnt really say much about Ulti. (voting Kirby instead)
That said with the Plumpush that happened soon after, Lea's vote was probably what brought the Ulti lynch back into gear. Its what got Lopen back in the ulti train at least.
And I cannot see Ulti bother Lea with it unless he really neeed to save Plum. But I also cannot see that as feasible since he was the scumRB

Votes made after this I cant count as being very telling since this is when Ulti doomed himself already (yes that includes my own vote I know)

So I guess Lea was the biggest catalyst, even if not by her own design but Ulti's maddening one instead.
Lopen looks okay but would have looked better if he didn't unvote twice.
Kirby sticking on Ulti despite trying to mediate between him and Sbell surprised me, kudos to him.
And Mzero I dont know if he was even aware of what went on, but he still gets townpoints from me for being the first and for needling Ulti well when he was there.

Abacus is the worst voter here clearly. I dont know why he even tried.

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti suiciding onto Lea makes zero sense in any context

Look at the town currency Lea is accruing and I disagree strongly

If this is power role Corrik, he certainly hasn't been playing like he did in previous games where he was a power role (namely Simple Mafia and DotA 2 Mafia). I'm wary that he's just trying to go for a 1-for-1 trade with the Watcher who outed himself for no reason, given that the scum roleblocker is dead.

Corriks town/scum list is pretty trash.

Has anyone found Isquen's breadcrumb? I think I found something, but it feels more like a coincidence than a deliberate breadcrumb. Waiting to see what Isquen claims was his breadcrumb, but I'm wondering if there was something way more obvious that I was missing.

htaeD posted...

I will grant you that Lopen added some of his usual theories to his Ulti crusade. But you didnt think the stuff about Ulti himself had a proper foundation?

I didn't see anything that stood out as relevant. It's possible there were some good points there buried in nonsense

Leafeon13N posted...

Corriks town/scum list is pretty trash.

I dont know, he classified me as meh which is the nicest thing anyone has said to me all day

Well I guess that happened.

htaeD posted...

That said with the Plumpush that happened soon after, Lea's vote was probably what brought the Ulti lynch back into gear. Its what got Lopen back in the ulti train at least

No.

Ultis claim of protection and King as protection did. Also a mention of one main when King wasn't the one main.

Lea was completely irrelevant

Kirby321 posted...

Has anyone found Isquen's breadcrumb? I think I found something, but it feels more like a coincidence than a deliberate breadcrumb. Waiting to see what Isquen claims was his breadcrumb, but I'm wondering if there was something way more obvious that I was missing.

Do we care about the breadcrumb? There is not really any scum equity to his claim. I am willing to just take it at face value and not care much beyond that.

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Yes.

Perception is reality. Ulti's play was good. He suicided onto a charismatic player people want to get behind.

However that's exactly why it had to be scum scum. There is zero chance Ulti actually thinks he can get you lynched there.

Also keep in mind you have 3 scummates that can paint it exactly that way. The scum propaganda machine makes it work.

Lea could you reply to my question in 4.167 when you get a chance?

I am just mystified if town Lopen could possibly believe the words he is posting.

As if scum Ulti suiciding into Lea to make Lea look good D1 is even a remotely possible plan to pull off let alone a good plan.

I have literally never seen a plan that detailed carried out D1 by scum. Ever. In a decade and a half.

After D1? Sure. Ive definitely had my fair share of ruses, but on D1 that literally never happens

masterplum posted...

I am just mystified if town Lopen could possibly believe the words he is posting.

As if scum Ulti suiciding into Lea to make Lea look good D1 is even a remotely possible plan to pull off let alone a good plan.

I have literally never seen a plan that detailed carried out D1 by scum. Ever. In a decade and a half.

After D1? Sure. Ive definitely had my fair share of ruses, but on D1 that literally never happens

So what's the alternative.

Scum ulti is delusional enough to think under fire he is able to flip a lynch onto LEA on a flimsy flavor argument? Truly?

For as little sense as you think it makes for scum scum it makes way less as scum town. Especially with Lea alive.

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If I'm not mistaken, Wallz has even less experience with you. So what do you make of the fact that Wallz is entertaining the idea of you being scum despite the fact that you helped lynch the scum roleblocker D1?

masterplum posted...

I am just mystified if town Lopen could possibly believe the words he is posting.

As if scum Ulti suiciding into Lea to make Lea look good D1 is even a remotely possible plan to pull off let alone a good plan.

I have literally never seen a plan that detailed carried out D1 by scum. Ever. In a decade and a half.

After D1? Sure. Ive definitely had my fair share of ruses, but on D1 that literally never happens

Did it not just work for Lea, Sultan, and Chris?

I still think Lea is town, but let's not disparage lopen about it.

Corrik, i don't understand what about isq's play was so bad. He didn't want to out a potential power role, yeah? You're arguing that the person has to be scum from his perspective but now you're saying it was you and you're not scum... if i am ever watcher, how would you prefer i play it out?

Leafeon13N posted...

Do we care about the breadcrumb? There is not really any scum equity to his claim. I am willing to just take it at face value and not care much beyond that.

I agree on the breadcrumb not mattering to me as its something someone might do as either alignment in advance of claiming/fake claiming, but I dont think we should take anything in this game at face value.

Peace___Frog posted...

Did it not just work for Lea, Sultan, and Chris?

That was intentional?

I wasn't in that game

Plum are you asking if scum sacrificed one of their own on purpose (opposed to on accident)

wallmasterz posted...

Plum are you asking if scum sacrificed one of their own on purpose (opposed to on accident)

Yes

So we got Corrik v Isquen
Lea/plum v lopen

masterplum posted...

Yes

Yes it was on purpose

The fact that Lea hasn't gone after plum at all today should be all the hint you need she's not town.

Lopen posted...

The fact that Lea hasn't gone after plum at all today should be all the hint you need she's not town.

So everyone who hasn't gone after me isn't town huh

masterplum posted...

That was intentional?

I wasn't in that game

I cohosted but didn't read every post in the game.

And yes it was completely on purpose and planned by Chris.

Anyone who is pushing lynch candidates and isn't at least considering you is probably not town.

Especially since Lea hasn't specifically called you town either. Just is kinda ignoring you.

Well that is wild

Really dumb

but wild

Let me ponder this. That could be an out for town lopen and thinking this is.... remotely plausible

Also reading back. Ulti probably should have been modkilled for posting verifiable personal shit.

sbell's claims amounted to "ulti is lying about work because hes posting vastly different from the last time he said he was at work" which, while toeing the line, is not outside the scope of mafia. Especially when it is Ulti bringing up that he is at work. Don't know why people were giving sbell shit for that.

The more I think about Isquen/Corrik the less Im sure what to make of it. At first I thought Isquen was definitely telling the truth and Corrik seemed scummy. Now I still think how Corrik approached it feels scummy but Im asking myself why Corrik would do this in the first place if hes scum and knows Isquen isnt.

If Isquen gets lynched and flips town, Corrik is a goner. Assuming the game started with 4-5 scum (Star Trek was 13 v 4 if memory serves), they are already down 10-4 or even 11-3 after ultis lynch. I guess taking out town watcher after they lose their roleblocker is valuable, but then scum is looking at 9-3 or 10-2. Not to mention if Corrik is lying and gets lynched which could definitely happen, thats even less favorable. None of this is to say Corrik is definitely town but its food for thought.

Ive never been in a game with a watcher before but I googled it and it says watchers see who visits their target. Which means Isquen would see everyone who visited Lea, right? So for Isquen to say someone visited who Isquen feels is town (instead of multiple people) suggests probably either Isquen or Corrik is lying? I dunno

wallmasterz posted...

If Isquen gets lynched and flips town

This is on the table?

Wall, you are actually considering this as a possibility?

Er rather, you are considering the opposite is a possibility. That Isquen just decided to straight up claim watcher unprovoked as scum

Also this is why Lea is actually good at this game

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You not voting Ulti and calling him town weighs nearly zero on me thinking you're scum. She is good at the game but that is a null tell.

The reasons you're scum again read Mzero's infodump on you earlier today. You've got a great little pattern of you soft defending Ulti and gaining more conviction he's town as the day goes which is contrary to common sense as he buries himself.

Ulti's behavior towards you is perhaps more damning as he continually says he'll vote you and you're scum but keeps trying to dangle other lynch targets instead. Then flips to calling you town later. It tells the story of a guy wanting to create distance yet not generate pressure.

Anyway

I'm leaning back towards Kirby being scum. Probably scum GF that scumteam is soft bussing to try and get a scan on him.

Kirby just hasn't shown an actual inclination towards attempting to think today.

My official guess at this time is

Lea
Plum
Kirby
IGCD

But not a lot of faith in those last two. Lot of contenders there. Lot of people lurking and playing lazy makes it hard.

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What did you think of Plum immediately assuming that Sbell was killed by a third-party going into today? As opposed to thinking it was a scum double-kill? That's my main issue with Plum so far.

masterplum posted...

Sbell kill has to be third party right? No way scum uses a double kill on sbell. Thats also interesting. Who was thinking sbell was scum

Lopen posted...

Kirby just hasn't shown an actual inclination towards attempting to think today.

That's just insulting.

Could you elaborate where exactly I've failed to make attempts on thinking? Or is this just because I disagree with your whole "Ulti and Lea are bussing scummates" theory