Current Events > San Francisco to have first public hearing on reparations for black residents.

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https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-black-reparations-5-million-36899f7974c751950a8ce0e444f86189

Payments of $5 million to every eligible Black adult, the elimination of personal debt and tax burdens, guaranteed annual incomes of at least $97,000 for 250 years and homes in San Francisco for just $1 a family.

Dang, why'd my family have to move away from San Francisco?

My question is how would they manage to cover all that...?
And how would they screen for people faking related lineage to qualify for the compensation?

It just doesn't sound like that proposal is going to effectively work.

California, and SF in particular, is a financial mess right now because of how reliant it is on tech and venture and capital gains taxes. Is there a more California thing to do than waste time considering whether to spend egregious amounts of money on something like this right now?

Why not give them magical unicorns too, while theyre at it?

That's not fair. I'm not black, and I don't live in San Francisco, but I want a free 5 mil!

Maybe I'll play the autism card. "Autism sucks, so give me 5 mil."

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/5/AAeXcuAAERyl.jpg

Just imagine how much money you can make if SF is giving you a home for just $1.

SF about to be broke.

Just like with student loan forgiveness, people are going to complain because they dont personally benefit from this

At the very least, one way to deal with the housing problem is to tell everyone else to pay $600000.

>public hearing

yeah i don't think this is going to materialize into anything

The conspiracy theorist in me swears this is only happening to give Fox News viewers something to shake their fist at with impotent rage.

It's simply never going to be a feasible thing in our lifetimes, and I'm not entirely convinced the generation that follows will have as "healthy" a society as we do right now to pursue it.

I wish I would have done my usual shtick of copy and pasting the article in its entirety like I usually do, because the link in the op was edited an hour ago. Now instead of the board of supervisors saying that they'd be hearing the proposals from the Reparations Committee the article now says that they support the recommendations from the board and that cost isn't a consideration!

Lmao hilarious

That city is wacky.

Only 5 million?

shnangyboos posted...

Only 5 million?

We've suffered more for less, someone tell the city I won't settle for less than $15 million.

xXfireglzXx posted...

The conspiracy theorist in me swears this is only happening to give Fox News viewers something to shake their fist at with impotent rage.

It's simply never going to be a feasible thing in our lifetimes, and I'm not entirely convinced the generation that follows will have as "healthy" a society as we do right now to pursue it.

Other grouped wrong got them. Hell many companies around today profited off of a slavery. Then after that it was Jim Crow, Redlining ect, people lands just taken away from them. The government has a debt that is owed to black American.

cjsdowg posted...

Other grouped wrong got them. Hell many companies around today profited off of a slavery. Then after that it was Jim Crow, Redlining ect, people lands just taken away from them. The government has a debt that is owed to black American.

So convincing, tell us more.

radical_rhino posted...

Why not give them magical unicorns too, while theyre at it?

Forty acres and a unicorn.

I'm not American, but I always thought that Americans dying to free the slaves was something that was a kind of payment for slavery, itself. Union soliders literally gave their lives to free the slaves. Why people are asking for reparations now seems like they're not taking in account of the sacrifice the Union soliders did all those years ago.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

I'm not American, but I always thought that Americans dying to free the slaves was something that was a kind of payment for slavery, itself. Union soliders literally gave their lives to free the slaves. Why people are asking for reparations now seems like they're not taking in account of the sacrifice the Union soliders did all those years ago.

Do you think slavery ended and suddenly things were all sunshine and rainbows?

TurtleInFreedom posted...

I'm not American, but I always thought that Americans dying to free the slaves was something that was a kind of payment for slavery, itself. Union soliders literally gave their lives to free the slaves. Why people are asking for reparations now seems like they're not taking in account of the sacrifice the Union soliders did all those years ago

Have you ever complained about any other group getting reparations. BTW black people fought in the Civil War too. You want to talk about not caring about sacifice..let me tell you about the treatment black vets for most of US history. Also the union soldiers got paid.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Do you think slavery ended and suddenly things were all sunshine and rainbows?

I'm not trying to argue here, just stating some facts. While the process of reconstruction and the subsequent political hurdles blacks faced is a difficult stain on American history, it sets up a weird precedent of trying to redeem every injustice the country went through, and to try and remedy it through financial transaction.

I personally don't think that money solves everything. You need something kind of shared, founding ethos or narrative that everyone will agree on, for real reconciliation to work.

The simple backlash the word 'reparations' invokes is indicative of that.

Do you mind telling us where you are from?

cjsdowg posted...

Do you mind telling us where you are from?

I was born in Seoul but grew up in California and Osaka. My elementary and secondary education were all from American/international insitutions.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

, it sets up a weird precedent of trying to redeem every injustice the country went through, and to try and remedy it through financial transaction

I support that too. Native Americans should get some money, Japanese Americans should get some money. Chinese Americans should get some money. Every group of people that's been wronged by the US should stick their palms up and expect something nice and shiny to be placed there. Just stay out of SF, I want my $1 house.

Shouldn't they focus on things like the homeless crisis first?

Priere posted...

Shouldn't they focus on things like the homeless crisis first?

Some of those homeless people qualify for $5 mil and a $1 home.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

I was born in Seoul but grew up in California and Osaka. My elementary and secondary education were all from American/international insitutions.

Funny you bring up Osaka. Since Japanese Americans got reparations. And guess what black people help buy for that. When at the same time black people did not have full rights in America. You don't see black people for the most part trying to stop other groups from being made whole.

A_Good_Boy posted...

I support that too. Native Americans should get some money, Japanese Americans should get some money. Chinese Americans should get some money. Every group of people that's been wronged by the US should stick their palms up and expect something nice and shiny to be placed there. Just stay out of SF, I want my $1 house.

I think reparations itself is something the public has to vote and figure out on their own, but I think more importantly it's more critical that everyone is on the same page regarding history and the significance and meaning of such history. Without a shared understanding of the past, underlying conflicts will still persist in the future, and 'reparations' will be something future generations might invoke once again.

The historical parallel I'm coming from is the relationship Korea has with Japan. Japan had in the past provided compensations and apologizes for their colonialism of Korea, but Koreans and the Japanese never were able to have a shared perspective and understanding of the imperial past. This underlying tension is why South Korea demands compensation and apologizes every decade or so. And that's a problem here in the region.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Some of those homeless people qualify for $5 mil and a $1 home.

Give them ALL a 0 dollar home. Free food. Mental and physical health care.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Some of those homeless people qualify for $5 mil and a $1 home.

...and then you tell the other homeless guy that he's gotta pony up $600k to pay for it.

cjsdowg posted...

Funny you bring up Osaka. Since Japanese Americans got reparations. And guess what black people help buy for that. When at the same time black people did not have full rights in America. You don't see black people for the most part trying to stop other groups from being made whole.

I think in terms of reconciliation, the political angle of it shouldn't be trying to make alliances to bring down people who are obstacles of it. Personally, I think the best way to is to invoke something that's shared by everyone, a certain historical memory or some kind of universial principle. Martin Luther King Jr is a good example of that- he didn't use alliances to overcome obstacles with political superiority, he used Christianity and the shared understanding of the spirit behind the US constituion. That's why I think turning the narrative to Union soliders might be a good thing, because the soliders literally gave their lives for a cause greater than themselves. It might not be the solution, but it's a possible narrative people can invoke to erect a lasting foundation for the path going forward together.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

I'm not American, but I always thought that Americans dying to free the slaves was something that was a kind of payment for slavery, itself. Union soliders literally gave their lives to free the slaves. Why people are asking for reparations now seems like they're not taking in account of the sacrifice the Union soliders did all those years ago.

Lincoln was trying to preserve the union, he was not fond of black people and freeing the enslaved was a byproduct of the war. There were a lot of freed blacks and enslaved blacks fighting for their freedom as well.

The US never gave Black Americans recompense for slavery, 250 years that institution lasted. There was a brief, very brief period of Reconstruction where the country could have done the right thing but no that didn't happen. President Jackson and the Supreme Court axed the 1st Civil Rights legislation and left the Black population in the South at the mercy of the KKK and Jim Crow laws that would last another century. 250 years of slavery, 100 of Jim Crow, Black Codes, redlining, exclusion from GI Bill, destruction of Black townships and neighborhoods in targeted racial violence, deliberately tearing down black neighborhoods for the interstate highways, War on Drugs, racial terrorism so bad that it caused millions of Black Americans to move to the North and out West to escape the violence as refugees in their own country. The government at the Federal, state, and local levels have a lot to answer for.

This seems like trolling. It would cost each non-Black person $600k.

This would be crazier than that Atlanta episode.

Taharqa_ posted...

Lincoln was trying to preserve the union, he was not fond of black people and freeing the enslaved was a byproduct of the war. There were a lot of freed blacks and enslaved blacks fighting for their freedom as well.

The US never gave Black Americans recompense for slavery, 250 years that institution lasted. There was a brief, very brief period of Reconstruction where the country could have done the right thing but no that didn't happen. President Jackson and the Supreme Court axed the 1st Civil Rights legislation and left the Black population in the South at the mercy of the KKK and Jim Crow laws that would last another century. 250 years of slavery, 100 of Jim Crow, Black Codes, redlining, exclusion from GI Bill, destruction of Black townships and neighborhoods in targeted racial violence, deliberately tearing down black neighborhoods for the interstate highways, War on Drugs, racial terrorism so bad that it caused millions of Black Americans to move to the North and out West to escape the violence as refugees in their own country. The government at the Federal, state, and local levels have a lot to answer for.

A lot of good points here, but Jackson was president before the Civil War--are you confusing him with Johnson?

indica posted...

A lot of good points here, but Jackson was president before the Civil War--are you confusing him with Johnson?

Jackson, yeah, fuck that guy.

indica posted...

A lot of good points here, but Jackson was president before the Civil War--are you confusing him with Johnson?

Both Andrews sucked.

Lol

TurtleInFreedom posted...

Martin Luther King Jr is a good example of that- he didn't use alliances to overcome obstacles with political superiority, he used Christianity and the shared understanding of the spirit behind the US constituion.

Christianity did not mean shit without the political power.

Itll only be like a trillion dollars over the course of 250 years.

cjsdowg posted...

Both Andrews sucked.

True

so glad i don't live there

Any way there are only 3 black people left in San Francisco. So for all the people upset that for once something good would happen to the AA population in the US dont worry .

I doubt this will actually be enacted because of 3 simple reasons:

• the majority of white citizens of today expected to "pay up" for the crimes of dead people won't, for valid reasons, and the courts agree
• people who are neither white nor black could also end up inadvertently taxed for this too
• the proposition sounds like an absurd political publicity stunt to begin with.

I'm Native American. And gay. I'm sure as fuck not getting coaxed into paying grievances for what dead people did. None of the living should.

ClockworkHare posted...

people who are neither white nor black could also end up inadvertently taxed for this too

There's not a segregated pool of white people's tax money, or black people's tax money. This is an absurd understanding of how government spending works.

Imagine getting 5 million and you bet it all in a game of craps and lose lol.

Hey, I got Irish ancestry. Do I qualify for reparations?

How would this even be implemented? Who would be expected to pay for it? The money would have to come from somewhere and I don't see how even glorified California could pull it off.

It doesn't sound like something feasible, but more like a political stunt to garner attention for a cause that's more complicated than shoving money at it. A public hearing really doesn't mean much.