Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 8: Attention Boardaytan Workers!

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Hey Wall, why did JC go from possible scum to your top town tier?

after reading t1 I felt the argument against jc for his list was even weaker than it seemed before. Also supported by isquen flipping town. Plus I dont agree with all his thought process but I just feel so much sincerity in his efforts to solve this game.

ctesjbuvf posted...

A lot of my play?

The most memorable things I remember is the list for Chris and your vig shot.

Some other reads here and there but thats about it. The vote is a hunch but also a memo to do an iso

wallmasterz posted...

after reading t1 I felt the argument against jc for his list was even weaker than it seemed before. Also supported by isquen flipping town. Plus I dont agree with all his thought process but I just feel so much sincerity in his efforts to solve this game.

Did you reread overnight?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80378841

Please move here at 450.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80378841

I think the most reasonable thing to do is look at everyone's interactions with Sheep and Isquen actually. We have just had two days of literally everyone agreeing on the lynch.

Remaining scum is seemingly ctes and 2/3rds of Han, Lea and Dumey. Ive been wondering if Dumey was godfather neighborizer or something but Im not really thrilled by most of what we are seeing from d3-d4 Lea

I am better now and also found a way to play at work. I am remoted into my home computer and using that to access gamefaqs LOL

ctesjbuvf posted...

Did you reread overnight?

I tried but got into t2 before I was too tired to finish. I will keep going at some point. trying to understand whats going on now in the aftermath of no one dying last night is a bigger priority

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Fair, that explains d3. Apologies.

Why are you convinced Han is not scum? And if you think Im scum fire away?

PunishedBen posted...

I am better now and also found a way to play at work. I am remoted into my home computer and using that to access gamefaqs LOL

lol. Love it

Han, before we get into it, I am not accusing you of playing badly for even a second. When you were scum in the Xenoblade game i thought you were playing just as well as ever, but still catchable. If there's any ego at all its that I'm accusing myself of being able to catch you if you're scum this game. But that's just the nature of me being town and you being potential scum. Because good always wins in the end.

Going into day 4, I expect that if Han is town then then the scum conversation is "We have to kill Han. He's the only one who can figure out the game right now".

But alas, JC was the target. WHY is JC, a motion detector, a bigger threat that Han?I guess it makes sense only if the scum team is a bunch of already claimed vanillas....!

Its interesting how many people have claimed already. Is there anyone who hasnt? Gives the impression that scum wanted to claim fast, because in the last couple games its always been that the last few people to claim are scum. And if you are claiming fast you'd be a fool to not claim vanilla. I think that 5 vanillas (Hello, I am the 5th) is plenty enough for most games. I wouldnt be surprised if every other one is scum. So this includes Han and Wall?

Ah alright, so you've only reread topic 1 so far then?

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think the most reasonable thing to do is look at everyone's interactions with Sheep and Isquen actually. We have just had two days of literally everyone agreeing on the lynch.

Pretend you have to try solving the game right now. You have to pick the remaining scum. Who is it and why?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Ah alright, so you've only reread topic 1 so far then?

Part of 2. I have re-read everything up to maybe 6-7 once but that was before isquen flipped town

Oh, can I get a recap of how redirector/bus driver is confirmed to exist? I missed that a bit

If there's anyone stopping me from voting Han its Lea right there. I'll give Han some Leaway. Well, and me having not read the game and just entirely vibing right now.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Justins action was swapped on night 2, I think? He tried scanning Andy and it got swapped to me. He saw me move.

I assume the redirect allowed scum to pick an individual to redirect, and an individual to redirect their action to

So here are the facts.

Ulti is doctor. Why? Mafia games have doctors. He's not BP. Even Ulti knows this and he's admitted it as much lol.

Ulti saved JC last night.

There was no kill last night.

Mafia NEVER no kills, so its most likely that JC was saved last night and JC was targeted by the scum kill.

They would not have had to roleblock or redirect JC because they were expecting him to be dead. If they had something like that it would have went elsewhere.

I think the most vocal person by far about ctes shooting death clearing ctes was Han. He even made a list with the tier scum shooting death is dumb lol

Ctes, you were an extremely unlikely candidate to be (mis)lynched d2. Shooting n1 was very anti town. Bulletproof doctor + town vig is extremely unlikely to exist, and logic dictates we have a bp doc. If youre town, hopefully theres no hard feelings, but you have to see where common sense leads us to you.

##Vote: Ctes

Wall, I'll get to your question in a bit, I haven't ignored it.

You're contradiciting yourself a fair bit. Yesterday you thought it was almost impossible for Sultan and JC to be aligned, yet Sultan remains town to you. You also thought that if I was scum you had evidence for JC to be scum, yet now that I'm back in your oh so confident read, which again builds on the premises I told you yesterday that you never got back to answer to, JC is guaranteed town. While you showed doubts on the latter part, this does not add up with your reasoning for thinking JC is now suddenly sure town.

I will admit, the answer I was expecting you to have was that JC was saved last night. And I wanted to remind you that if you believed BP Ulti was shot that would mean nothing. Instead you give me this.

wallmasterz posted...

after reading t1 I felt the argument against jc for his list was even weaker than it seemed before. Also supported by isquen flipping town. Plus I dont agree with all his thought process but I just feel so much sincerity in his efforts to solve this game.

First of all, JC and Isquen were in no way linked, if anything Isquen flipping town should just make your PoE wider, not somehow completely remove anyone from it.

But your first sentence there gives me reason to be concerned. You had supposedly already reread that whole thing and then reading it for a third time knowing Isquen's alignment makes you not just feel better about him, but move him all the way to confirmed tier. Yet JC's list actually does not appear until a bit into topic 2 and he's being attacked for it for the rest of the topic, so how is your first sentence not you lying?

Ulti, you're not unblockable doc or anything right? I think now would be the best time to be truthful about the claim. Unless you think scum is still clueless as to what you really are and could mess up another night kill by you staying the course

UltimaterializerX posted...

This is not scum hunting or cooperative town play.

Neither is you saying I've not been when I've been doing a lot more than you.

Neither is you saying "Han once did something 15 years ago that nobody can actually confirm, therefore my bad argument must be true".

What is cooperating is me telling you that I won't have as much time. You're welcome. I do so pamper you Ulti. More than you deserve.

ANYWAY, let me get to people actually contributing something.

PunishedBen posted...

Han, before we get into it, I am not accusing you of playing badly for even a second. When you were scum in the Xenoblade game i thought you were playing just as well as ever, but still catchable.

I really wasn't playing well that game. Easy loss if we can't recruit Death or Town knows we can.

Going into day 4, I expect that if Han is town then then the scum conversation is "We have to kill Han. He's the only one who can figure out the game right now".

This has not been particularly true the past, like, 5 Town games I've been in? Didn't happen last game when I was Cop, even.

Also, it's not usually sensible if there is power and I'm vanilla? Like, duh doi?

But alas, JC was the target. WHY is JC, a motion detector, a bigger threat that Han?I guess it makes sense only if the scum team is a bunch of already claimed vanillas....!

This isn't a bad point bu-

PunishedBen posted...

But alas, JC was the target.

Hey Ulti, here's your cooperation: can you tell me what's odd about this statement?

Oh I got ninja's by Ben during that time.

UltimaterializerX posted...

With scum having an unblockable kill, I have a really hard time thinking ctes is scum; unblockable plus extra kill in 14 is a lot, even if that would mean a 3 man scum team. It would also mean vig, double voter, and unblockable whatever on top of a redirect.

Basically ctes is either town vig or scum jack.

The argument is that there isn't an extra kill; Death was just the normal mafia kill.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Theres no reason to be THIS MAD about me),

Actually, you'll remember in Uncharted 2 Mafia back in 2004 when we were Scum together, I told you that nothing makes me more mad than having to deal with suspicion for the worst possible reasons.

I don't get mad at set-up. Why would I take my anger out in the game when I could take it out on the host in Scum chat? I get irked at bad arguments literally every game, on the other hand.

Literally. Every. Game.

I'm completely assuming they shot at JC on the basis that the BP part of the BP doctor claim is fake. But whether it is or isnt doesnt matter to what I think of Ulti, because the game has to have protection. And Ulti being scum would require the game to both have none and for scum to know that they have none in order to be comfortable claiming it so early. And then what, no kill today just to prove it further? Unnecessary I think since Ulti wasnt getting lynch any time soon.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its odd because Ben has no actual way of knowing whether or not scum shot me or Justin.

Yes.

Ulti, I'm going to drop the whole annoyed thing; I don't have space for it, and you're right, my time is better spent not being catty.

I just have an incessant need to clap back, so I'd you could do me a solid and try not to provoke that, we'll be fine.

PunishedBen posted...

Ulti is not BP

Then why not shoot Ulti?

If Ulti isn't being lynched, and is Town Doc, and isn't BP, then why not shoot Ulti?

PunishedBen posted...

I'm completely assuming they shot at JC on the basis that the BP part of the BP doctor claim is fake. But whether it is or isnt doesnt matter to what I think of Ulti, because the game has to have protection. And Ulti being scum would require the game to both have none and for scum to know that they have none in order to be comfortable claiming it so early. And then what, no kill today just to prove it further? Unnecessary I think since Ulti wasnt getting lynch any time soon.

why would scum shoot at jc instead of vulnerable doctor?

Ninjad by Han

Just because I dont believe he's BP doesnt mean scum dont believe it

wallmasterz posted...

Ctes, you were an extremely unlikely candidate to be (mis)lynched d2. Shooting n1 was very anti town. Bulletproof doctor + town vig is extremely unlikely to exist, and logic dictates we have a bp doc. If youre town, hopefully theres no hard feelings, but you have to see where common sense leads us to you.

No, you're doing the same thing as yesterday by ignoring logical aspects that don't fit your narrative while creating odd things are fit your narrative and selling them as logic. If you're believing BP + doctor to begin with (which isn't that logical) why in the world would a town vig make that any more or less likely to exist. That's not common sense. You still never seemed to weigh in that your case against me builds on the premise of purposely making a horrible scum n1 play AND me risking not getting counterclaimed by an actual vig. One needs to consider the whole thing to solve the game and most of your posts reads as if you're not doing that.

wallmasterz posted...

Pretend you have to try solving the game right now. You have to pick the remaining scum. Who is it and why?

At this point JC is the only one that I'm not willing to consider, but Ulti is close to that. I have felt good about basically everyone else so somewhere someone has to be tricking me.

I dislike when people argue that less scum than the reasonable number based on game size, it has let town to lose a few times and it's a reasonable case against Han. Though back when I won f*** 2022 mafia I'm pretty sure town did this and we just allowed it to coast us to victory. If it's actually Han, I think the stunt he pulled with me yesterday was a huge dick move, so I hope not.

By PoE I'm gonna have to say it's in you, Ben, Sultan and one of Dumey/Lea (seriously doubt it's both).

PunishedBen posted...

Just because I dont believe he's BP doesnt mean scum dont believe it

If Scum believe it, then why didn't they use their supposed unblockable kill on Ulti?

When did we learn they had unblockable kill?

PunishedBen posted...

When did we learn they had unblockable kill?

Ulti claimed to protect Crescent n2 yet she died.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Ulti claimed to protect Crescent n2 yet she died.

The same night JC claimed to be redirected.
A redirection that could have theoretically been used on Ulti to remove protection from Crescent.

ctesjbuvf posted...

No, you're doing the same thing as yesterday by ignoring logical aspects that don't fit your narrative while creating odd things are fit your narrative and selling them as logic. If you're believing BP + doctor to begin with (which isn't that logical) why in the world would a town vig make that any more or less likely to exist. That's not common sense. You still never seemed to weigh in that your case against me builds on the premise of purposely making a horrible scum n1 play AND me risking not getting counterclaimed by an actual vig. One needs to consider the whole thing to solve the game and most of your posts reads as if you're not doing that.

At this point JC is the only one that I'm not willing to consider, but Ulti is close to that. I have felt good about basically everyone else so somewhere someone has to be tricking me.

I dislike when people argue that less scum than the reasonable number based on game size, it has let town to lose a few times and it's a reasonable case against Han. Though back when I won f*** 2022 mafia I'm pretty sure town did this and we just allowed it to coast us to victory. If it's actually Han, I think the stunt he pulled with me yesterday was a huge dick move, so I hope not.

By PoE I'm gonna have to say it's in you, Ben, Sultan and one of Dumey/Lea (seriously doubt it's both).

Its not common sense to think if op bulletproof doc exists, theres not a town vig attached?

If ulti is doc and not bp then scum has not fired at him at all. In a game where, if you are town ctes, scum targeted crescent, crescent, jc and never bothered shooting ulti. If bp doc is so farfetched why would scum go after town power ulti can protect instead of ulti who is a sure shot because he cant protect himself. Make it make sense!